Provari, Reo Grand, Infinity

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Forgive me if I should have split these reviews up, it just seemed like a waste of threads :).

OK, I just started vaping about 2 months ago after getting burned by Blu (haha) a year ago. I bought another pen style (an 808 clone) that only kinda half way worked as a substitute for my analogs , but it did include a 5V PT that convinced me vaping as a concept could work for me if I found the right hardware. I didn't care if my battery powered PV looked like an analog or not, I just wanted functionality at least on par with my PT as I was able to go analog free immediately after receiving my 808 knock offs so long as I was with in reach of a wall socket for my PT. I kinda wanted VV as I could foresee tracking down the correct atty/carto resistance might become an issue, but I tried to keep an open mind when that particular feature was not available on a mod. I narrowed my search down to three, the infinity, the provari, and the Reo Grand. I thought to myself "in for a penny, in for a pound" and decided to get my grubby little hands on all of them. The following is why I chose these particular mods and what I found:

Infinity:
I chose this mod because 1) referrals from other forum members in the chat room were numerous. 2) it's VV and that would open up options for different atty/carto configurations and 3) because I was already looking at the provari, but the long build time seemed daunting. I already intended to buy at least two PVs so I'd have a back up in case of equipment failure. I figured I could use this bad boy until the provari got to me and keep one of em as a back up or sell one to recoup a little of my initial cost depending on which one I liked. It arrived after the one week build time more or less (it actually took a little longer) black, slim, simple. It did feel a little cheaper than I had expected for the price. The button feels rubbery and when I unscrewed a carto from it the first time, the whole top cap came off instead exposing the soldiered wires. I was afraid the soldier would break when I went to screw it back on (but the soldier did hold). All in all, initial impressions were a little bit of a let down. I got the 510 threads, but ordered an 808 adapter to go along with it because I was (and still am to a certain degree) sitting on a mountain of pre-filled 808 cartomisers from my failed 808 experiment. I also ordered the voltage tester. Despite my disappointed initial impressions, it works well for what it was intended for. With the right carto/atty configuration, it produces copious amounts of vapor, better than my PT. I could play around the taste of new juices (pro or DIY) at different voltages. When I found a setting I liked, I could connect the voltage tester to retrieve that info, use a multimeter to check the atty ohms, calculate my wattage, fill a carto after checking it's ohms, and dial in a voltage that would give me the same wattage as the setting I liked during the testing phase with good results. What the infinity doesn't do well is this: It isn't durable enough to keep up with my active life style. I can be hard on equipment, especially tools, and I consider a PV a tool. The first time I dropped it, it lost a very noticeable amount of the black finish right around the voltage dial. The first night I took it out with me, it pocket fired multiple times, frying 2 attys. I recommend this mod if you are A) interested in a tube style VV PV and B) either not especially active or don't mind babying your PV.

The Reo Grand:
I ordered this mod because I like the taste out of an atty more than out of a carto. Cartridges are a joke (even modded) and after 2 days of dripping I already decided there was no way I could do that all the time (time consuming, messy, inconvenient when otherwise busy). So a bottom feeder solves all that. Why the Reo instead of say....the VV Ali'i? In a single word, wood. The Reo looked like (and turned out to BE) a TANK. I figured this was a piece of equipment that I could rely on. Ordering this little baby was no fun at all. I had to camp out on the website to insure getting my order in before they were out of stock. Now, is this better than ordering a product and having to wait on build time? IDK but either way is a pain. It arrived very promptly. I watched a very basic video on the operation of the mini off the website and understood the operation of my unit immediately. Initial impressions? "This is absolutely everything I had hoped it would be." It vaped every bit as well as anything else I had used once I found the right atty out of my collection (a 1.5 ohm job made by joye). It tastes far better to me than using a carto. It's durable as all get out. I've dropped mine multiple times on to concrete with very little damage to the finish (black on black). What the reo doesn't do as well: for one, I wish it was VV. I can only imagine the pain of trying to find more 1.5 attys if my usual vendors can't come through. Another point is this, using this baby while driving or while in the dark isn't as easy as using a carto. If you can't see the juice come out at the bottom of the atty when you feed it, then you just have to kind of guess, which doesn't always work out as well as I would like. The final small issue was actually just a small hurdle. I noticed that keeping the Reo in my pocket would allow lint and other little pieces of junk to collect on the wet surface of the feeder cup. This can lead to contaminated juice and clogged attys. I got a rubber stopper, drilled a hole through the middle to fit pretty snug around the atty, slipped the stopper around the atty so I could push the plug down to cover the feed cup while in my pocket. Just slide up the stopper, feed the atty, and vape away worry free, and when you're done, plug up the feeder with the plug, easy peesy. All in all, the lack of VV and the usage in the dark aren't large issues at all, and I can recommend this PV to anyone at all, it's my go to PV and don't think it will be dethroned anytime soon. I have depended on it over and over and it has never left me up a creek with out a paddle.

The Provari:
I ordered this mod because of the excellent feature list, 'nuff said. Build time on it ended up being 3.5 weeks because the option to upgrade to a different color became available during my wait for the unit and that added a little on to the lead time. It arrived absolutely beautiful. The textured black coating feels wonderful in my hand and is extremely attractive to the eye. The coating is also pretty durable. I dropped it on concrete (yeah yeah, I drop things a lot LOL) and it left a very very small defect in the coating on the extended end cap. I will say the draw is a little more airy than I am use to, but it still gets the job done with out a doubt (I am considering trying to find a way modify the air flow indentions on the connector to correct this. Ideas anyone?). It has rendered my multimeter a tool again instead of a vaping accessory and that is awesome. I can read the voltage without disconnecting anything at all, which is extremely handy. With a carto, this is by far the easiest to use PV I own. If I'm going to be in the dark for a long period of time, or if I'm going to drive for hours (or if I'm going to drive in the dark LOL) this PV is going to go with me. This is my go to tester PV for new juices. What the provari doesn't do well is a short list but bares note. The airyer draw may not be for some people and I'm not sure there is an easy fix. The lead time is just sort of absolutely ridiculous. 3.5 weeks is like 3.5 years in vaping time.


Anyway, I can recommend these PV's to just about anyone (if you are willing to deal with a few minor issues). I hope y'all enjoyed reading this (my first review) as much I enjoyed the research! Happy vaping :)
 

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Questions:

  • Since when is the 808 a "penstyle"? I had to get into your review to figure out that you (probably) were referring to the KR808D-1 cartomizer based e-cig rather than the 801 penstyle.

  • What is an 808 "clone"? Do you mean a Kr8-threaded cartomizer unit not manufactured by Kanger? Many aren't these days.

Request:

For people with limited attention spans (and/or senior citizen brains):oops: like me, please break up your long paragraphs into shorter bite-sized chunk ones. Thanks!​
 

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Wanna, I'm completely of the 'more are always better' school when it comes to PVs and this review confirms the wisdom behind it. Each of your devices has at least one distinct feature that makes it attractive and each is a more than adequate backup in the event of device failure. I am especially appreciative of your drop testing each of these for us. :)

Thanks for taking the time to write this great review!
 

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Nice review! On your Grand, try the "blind sqonking" method. Push on the bottle and draw on the atty until you hear a gurgle or feel any resistance, then you're good to go. Once you get the hang of it, you may never need to look at the reservoir again.

+1 Totally solved my issues of using the REO in the dark or while driving. Took less than a day to get the hang of it.
 

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DonDaBoomVape:

Um....yeah, I'm embarrassed. You are indeed correct in many of your assumptions. The unit I was referring to is indeed a KR808D-1 threaded cartomizer based pen-style e-cig not manufactured by Kangor (which is why I referred to it as a clone). Actually, now that I've read up a little more about these products, I'm not 100% sure it isn't manufactured by Kanger. It may be rebranded which would make my mistake even worse! Your knowledge is impeccable, sir, your kung-fu is better than my kung-fu, I am humbled and will not skip my homework next time. I feel like I've been caught with my pants down LOL

As far as the extra long, multiple subject covering paragraphs, THAT is a mistake much easier explained. I went to add tags to my thread, and I accidentally hit enter before I got a chance to preview it. I probably would have broken down each section in to different paragraphs. Thanks a lot for the constructive criticism though! I'm always down to improve my word craft and every little bit helps :) I'm just extremely happy that I decided to spell check along the way or the darn thing woulda been just about unreadable!!!!

SewKitty:

Thank you for your kind words. You're a peach :) (Also, I didn't intend to drop test these PVs. I just haven't found a leather holster that suits me yet, but from now on I'm CLAIMING that I intended to drop them for the sake of reviewing the durability of the finish LOL)

pianoguy:

Dude, NICE TIP!!!!!! Took me like 15 sec to pick up on it, and now I can't help wonder why I never thought of that! Also, I'm glad you enjoyed my review and thank you kindly for the complement. While I think I managed to get some good info in there (when I wasn't showing how little I know as pointed out earlier) the more I look at it the more I feel like it's a train wreck format-wise.

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So after looking at the different connectors vs. the different attys and cartos I have hanging around here I realized something. Every combination is going to have a bottle neck in the air flow either at the batt connection or the holes in the atty/carto. The same carto I was using on the provari that I found to be "airy", worked well on the infinity because of the different sized holes on the battery connector. However, I can take the same LR joye atty, and the draw speed is about the same on all the units because the bottle neck is on the atty, not the batt connector. Call this a "duh moment" if you want cause I have a hard time calling it anything else. Though on a positive note, this means that I can fix the airy draw on the provari by either switching to a carto with smaller holes, or maybe plugging one or more of the holes on the cartos I already have, which seems like a much more agreeable problem resolution than trying to modify an awesome PV that is under warranty. OH or maybe I could find a 510 threaded extension with an agreeable bottle neck....yeah that would be awesome.
 

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Not being sarcastic or anything, but why would you or anyone use a LR atty or carto on the Provari? Just asking, because I have a Provari and would like to know. As far as I read threads about the Provari is LR is not the best fit but it can be used with LR, just not optimal. Thanks in advance, looking to learn something new today. Sorry if this was a tiny bit OT.
 

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Not being sarcastic or anything, but why would you or anyone use a LR atty or carto on the Provari? Just asking, because I have a Provari and would like to know. As far as I read threads about the Provari is LR is not the best fit but it can be used with LR, just not optimal. Thanks in advance, looking to learn something new today. Sorry if this was a tiny bit OT.

I don't usually use an LR atty with my provari. I was just experimenting with an LR atty because I was confused why I was getting such airy hits out of my provari/carto combo. You are correct that the provari is not really designed to be used with LR attys/cartos as it does not give you as many wattage options (which IMO is what we should really be looking at instead of voltage/amps/ohms). I plugged in the LR atty I usually use with my reo because I have been getting great results from that combo and I was experimenting trying to determine why I was getting less than stellar results from the provari. As stated above, I have determined it has to do with air flow, for me. I'm curious, what carto/atty do you use on your provari? I hope you use a carto because I'd really like to be able to use a carto and get great results because I don't like dripping/dipping (unless I'm playing with new juice) and my current cartos give too much air flow to yield thick hits IMO. Thanx in advance for sharing you experience and insight :)
 

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Thanks for sharing! Honestly, I mean that. So many times people take offense when none was intended.

Yes, I use Carto's with my Provari.

The carto's I like best with all devices are the 510 Cartomizer Gold V2 Drip-Style from IkenVape. They just flat out work great on any device and I have quite a few devices (another Provari on order). :evil:

The list of carto's I've tried with the Provari are:

IkenVape Mega KR-808 (very good), IkenVape 801 Fusion (excellent, many refills), Nhaler (510's Mega's, not really mega size, but very good), Vapornine (901's), Vapor Kings (901's), ce2's r4 (510's, direct from China), Vapor4Life (901), Heaven's Gifts (510 & 901), Health Cabin (510 & 901) & East Mall (510 & 901)

Okay, I will admit I tried out a 510 LR Mega from Ikenvape. Mainly to just check the "AO" Provari code. :blush: It was okay but I've found I prefer 4.2 to 6 volt range.

The best thing I've found closest to dripping is using the SuperT Vapemate with the Provari, now that is awesome! Love my P18 as well, but each device serves it's own time and purpose. The VapeMate has a small learning curve, it really doesn't take long to get that down pat!

It comes down to "I've thrown everything I have at the Provari", it works great!

I can't say I've had any problem with airflow being "airy", but each person has their own set of criteria. I have found over time, that with each refill, it is a must to blow the carto out from the battery end before putting it on a device. That will help if you have a tough/hard airflow.

Hopefully someone will come along and add their 2 cents worth and maybe help figure out how to get the airflow better for you.

Thanks for taking time to reply! If you come up with any tricks please post them!
 
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Thanks for sharing! Honestly, I mean that. So many times people take offense when none was intended.

Yes, I use Carto's with my Provari.

The carto's I like best with all devices are the 510 Cartomizer Gold V2 Drip-Style from IkenVape. They just flat out work great on any device and I have quite a few devices (another Provari on order). :evil:

The list of carto's I've tried with the Provari are:

IkenVape Mega KR-808 (very good), IkenVape 801 Fusion (excellent, many refills), Nhaler (510's Mega's, not really mega size, but very good), Vapornine (901's), Vapor Kings (901's), ce2's r4 (510's, direct from China), Vapor4Life (901), Heaven's Gifts (510 & 901), Health Cabin (510 & 901) & East Mall (510 & 901)

Okay, I will admit I tried out a 510 LR Mega from Ikenvape. Mainly to just check the "AO" Provari code. :blush: It was okay but I've found I prefer 4.2 to 6 volt range.

The best thing I've found closest to dripping is using the SuperT Vapemate with the Provari, now that is awesome! Love my P18 as well, but each device serves it's own time and purpose. The VapeMate has a small learning curve, it really doesn't take long to get that down pat!

It comes down to "I've thrown everything I have at the Provari", it works great!

I can't say I've had any problem with airflow being "airy", but each person has their own set of criteria. I have found over time, that with each refill, it is a must to blow the carto out from the battery end before putting it on a device. That will help if you have a tough/hard airflow.

Hopefully someone will come along and add their 2 cents worth and maybe help figure out how to get the airflow better for you.

Thanks for taking time to reply! If you come up with any tricks please post them!

Thanx so much for all the suggestions! *sigh* if only ikenvape had inventory right now! Though if you are concerned, I have managed to make boge 510's work for me for the moment. To get good results, I've really had to work hard to keep them topped off to the max in order to keep them producing thick, consistent vapor. I'm keeping my eye on those gold tips, and hopefully I'll be able to order some soon. I noticed you list "superT" in your sig. I'm possibly looking at getting one of their feeders instead. It just seems like such a chore to go about finding a carto that I like with all the choices available!
 

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Your review was most helpful by expounding upon 3 mods. If someone wants pithy sentences, they can read the daily newspaper or watch Bill O'Rielly. You were very honest about the mods. Thanks for an excellent review.
p.s. I've been contemplating buying a Provari.

I'm glad my review helped someone! Lord knows I've gleaned enough info from this forum that I owe it a few informative posts that help folks out. I did try to be as honest as I could be about the products as it seems like some reviews (and this is not necessarily directed at reviews found on this forum as there are plenty of quality reviews in a lot of threads) focus too much on the positive and not enough on the negative.

RE to PS: I am certainly not going to try to persuade you one way or the other, but IMO everyone needs a back up and you could do a lot worse than a Provari. Even as the day's primary vaping mod, it has preformed it's function reliably. When I find a carto that I really like or pull the trigger on a superT feeder, I may start using it as much as my Reo. Also keep in mind, 179.00 is a lot of money and the grass is always greener and so on and so on......... I'm sure you will weigh you options thoroughly and come up with something that will work perfectly for you, whether it be the Provari or something else entirely :)
 

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Thanx so much for all the suggestions! *sigh* if only ikenvape had inventory right now! Though if you are concerned, I have managed to make boge 510's work for me for the moment. To get good results, I've really had to work hard to keep them topped off to the max in order to keep them producing thick, consistent vapor. I'm keeping my eye on those gold tips, and hopefully I'll be able to order some soon. I noticed you list "superT" in your sig. I'm possibly looking at getting one of their feeders instead. It just seems like such a chore to go about finding a carto that I like with all the choices available!

I have a P10, P16, P18 SuperT. I use the P16 when out and about, P18 at home along with the Provari. I have 3 Vapemates and they work on any mod I have. Also, I have several 3ml bottles (can use 5-6ml, up to some have even a 30ml hooked to their Vapemates.

I'm using carto's right now mainly because I stockpiled for a long time. Once those are all gone, probably 10 years from now, I'll switch to the VapeMate. Not really, I'll use my Vapemates in between trying to use up all these different cartos. Other than dripping you can't beat the Vapemate. There is a learning curve but it's not bad at all, just takes a little practice. Taste is just as awesome as dripping. Another plus is, it only takes a minute to unscrew one flavor bottle and screw on another one. Some times you even find flavors that blend together well by just swaping the bottles! I found that out by accident and not blowing out the atties in between flavor changes.

Isaac can't keep the carto's in stock, they go in less than 24 hours most times. He has implemented a limitation on how many you can purchase at one time. So, that should give a lot more people a chance to try them out. They last so long, you really don't need many. If you order his max, 15, they'll last you beyond the next order he gets in. So far, I haven't found any carto's as good as the ones he sells.

I will be checking out the Infinity because of your review. I've not read anything at all about it until your review, Thank You!
 
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Regarding draw - and apologies if someone wiser has already suggested it - I found the adapters for 801 to be...pardon, while I get a hanky...the revelation was just that moving!

The 510 to 801 adapters that allow us to use 801s on our 510s are adjustable for airflow so, even if you never, ever wanted to (ever) try an 801 you might want to for that kind of draw control. I'm not sure if the feature is available for the 510-901 adapter but I know for sure it is not on the 510-4081 adapter. I'm single-minded about 801s and every adapter I've ever purchased to use them has this feature, even the 99 cent ones from Good Prophets. For some attys I have that baby open all the way and for others, just a half turn...you get the idea. Ikenvape's full-size 801s are the last to sell (because people assume the minis are better...) and a 3.5 with one of your VVs is worth a try, imo. Just do me a favor and keep it to yourself. If you tell everyone the supply will disappear as fast as all his other attys. The full-size 2.0 ohms do an equally good job of providing blissful vaping moments. I use them for direct dripping and with VapeMate when I just want to chillax.

Edit to add: I have a Big Daddy from boxmods.net on the way as a back-up device. Classifying all my mods as back-ups allows me to keep buying them sans guilt. I love vaping! :banana:
 
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DonDaBoomVape:

Um....yeah, I'm embarrassed. You are indeed correct in many of your assumptions. The unit I was referring to is indeed a KR808D-1 threaded cartomizer based pen-style e-cig not manufactured by Kangor (which is why I referred to it as a clone). Actually, now that I've read up a little more about these products, I'm not 100% sure it isn't manufactured by Kanger. It may be rebranded which would make my mistake even worse! Your knowledge is impeccable, sir, your kung-fu is better than my kung-fu, I am humbled and will not skip my homework next time. I feel like I've been caught with my pants down LOL...
I'm sorry, WGH! It was not my intend to embarrass.

However, I do want to reiterate my clarification about the meaning of "penstyle." Penstyle e-cigs (e.g., the 801 and compatibles) are 155mm in length.

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The standard length Kr8 is 117mm long. E-cigs 106 to 119mm are considered "Mini." [Shorter than that are "Super-mini."]

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Even with the XL battery, the Kr8 is only 137mm.
 

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Yes, I use Carto's with my Provari.

It comes down to "I've thrown everything I have at the Provari", it works great!

Same here, I love my cartos on my ProVari (had never used them before the ProVari) although I do tend to top it off frequently but then I'm a chain vaper. That's what I really like about the ProVari though, regardless of what I throw at it, it just handles it. I can adjust it to whatever makes me happy. Haven't tried my VapeMate on it yet but will for sure this weekend.
 
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