Provari, the ax has come for you

[ENAUD]

For the 2.5, yes the value is there.
For the P3, IMO no it isn't.

For the price of the P3, hell I'd add the $20 bucks and buy three 2.5s.

I couldn't agree more, I picked up a Gunmetal mini 2.5 on the clearance sale for 100$. Totally worth it. Before that I picked up a few in the classifieds, some a couple years old, for short money. They just keep on ticking. At about 100bucks the 2.5's are a relative bargain nowadays.

The P3, I think they missed the mark, and seeing the new software update allowing firing down to .5Ω shows, at least to me that they got the message. I've seen a bunch of Provape loyal customers going to other devices, and seeing the proliferation of lower Ω atomizers on the market that is quite understandable. At 200-250$ I do see the P3 as a pretty hard sell,

 

[Thrasher]

Yep saw that video and was very impressed.

I remember for a while there was a 3-4 week wait, the company doing the ceracoat just couldn't process the tubes any faster.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

I would like to have one of the smaller Provari's. Larger mods do not interest me. I do also like the istick 30 and a few other smaller mods.

 

[Thrasher]

I don't argue that popularity has dropped a bit but if anyone thinks they will just up and die your kidding yourselves.

The person buying a hummer is buying a hummer, your not going to sell this person an Isuzu rodeo at any price. They don't see the value no matter what the bargain is.

 

[stevegmu]

Been awhile since there was a genuine ProVari bashing thread.....I kinda missed it!

From personal experience, I think they're worth every penny. I used ProVaris for a couple years with no remorse. They worked every time I hit the button, no matter what I did to them. I tear down buildings for a living, so I did PLENTY to them. Once, I dropped one out of a 5th floor window on to an asphalt parking lot. The kayfun (authentic) didn't survive but the ProVari worked fine. I dropped a Hana dna 30 (also authentic) out of my hand on to an asphalt parking lot and it was done. I'm only 6'1". I sent it to Hana Modz and went through hell trying to get them to fix it.
Once, I got a ProVari V2 standard in a trade. It was purple. I hate purple. I took it apart and sandblasted it. Then I broke the button off the board trying to put it back together. I sent it to ProVape and told them what happened...I didn't even lie. They sent it back within 5 days with a new board in it. They didn't charge me anything for some reason...maybe because I've bought several devices from them over the years, I don't know.
They don't fit my vaping style anymore....I use mainly REOs now. But they do fit MOST vapers needs. Those of us who subohm and blow big clouds aren't the majority of vapers. Maybe we're the majority who sit on vaping forums, but there's a whoe bunch of vapers who've never heard of ECF or maybe they just have better things to do.
What I don't understand is why take the time to start a thread to complain about the price vs. features of a ProVari? It's cheaper than many things that do way less.
They're not for everybody, that's a fact. But, they're perfect for those that want a very high quality mod thats made in the USA and has impeccable customer service and who don't need mega watts or subohm capable devices.

I don't understand how cost even comes up in vape related topics. There aren't any widely available, mass produced mods which cost more than a few cartons of cigarettes. I spent far more on BLU batteries and BLU charging cases than I did for my first ProVari and the ProVari still works.

What's really interesting is the recent wattage poll results on the forum show a 2.5 would suit the needs of most vepers who took the poll...

 

[stevegmu]

I don't argue that popularity has dropped a bit but if anyone thinks they will just up and die your kidding yourselves.

The person buying a hummer is buying a hummer, your not going to sell this person a prius at any price. They don't see the value no matter what the bargain is.

I'm willing to bet their sales numbers grow every quarter...

 

[bones1274]

At 250 for a kit, are we seeing the end of provari? That name has been on this forum day and night for years, but really, custom box mods and high end mechanicals coming in at half the price, OR LESS? Do I hear a death rattle from the provari giant? Any long term member here has seen "get a provari" a thousand times, but those posts are fading into the locked section at a fast rate. Is anyone even considering one anymore? I'm not, and I used to want one more than any vape on the market.

I remember a time when the Apple IIe was the big boy on the block to beat. In time everyone gets trumped by innovation, technology, etc. For the record, I never considered a Provari because I found the REO first....

 

[Thrasher]

Lol after rereading the op me thinks this was click bait

 

[roxynoodle]

Yes, once again, a thread for people to criticize each others' gear choices

And once again, I must ask, what do you care what other people use or spend their money on? Whether its expensive or cheap, it doesn't affect YOU or your choices?

I'm not a Provari person only because I don't care for regulated tubes, but I have no problem with others using them. If they suit you, you will likely be happy with it. I haven't heard of one setting on fire or exploding. I have heard of them needing repairs, but at least Provape fixes them, and it seems for very reasonable service costs. So what is there to pick on? If, like me, it doesn't suit you, you don't have to buy it.

Likewise, if you hate isticks or Sigeleis, you don't have to buy those and shouldn't care if others do. Its one thing to point out to potential new buyers that some people have had issues. That's the responsible thing to do. Its another to degrade people who own them.

 

[Thrasher]

I remember a time when the Apple IIe was the big boy on the block to beat. In time everyone gets trumped by innovation, technology, etc. For the record, I never considered a Provari because I found the REO first....

Yet some how even being technically inferior they manages to become the most powerful company on the planet, selling comparable laptops spec wise for 3x everyone else, based on the quality alone, funny how that works, proving once again, not everyone wants the cheapest and fastest product available

 

[bluecat]

This is the problem right here, I don't know why everyone is convinced provari is a two man shop making 20 mods a year. They are far from a little artisan shop.

There mods are shipped around the world and they can't make them fast enough. In the tour video the shipping dept is stacked with 100's of them. In bins shoulder high

Some people like the level of quality they provide, you see many blemished for sale. Yet many can't find the flaw.I saw a picture there was a scratch/gouge on the underside of the top cap no user will ever see. Provape considered that part flawed and was sent to the blemish pile.

Companies do not cry about people who aren't interested in their product when no matter what they do they can't make enough anyways lol

Your not interested fine, but stop hating on a company just because its not what you choose.


And by the way everything has been the end of provari for 4 years now, the zmax,nope, the DNA, nope, the mech, nope, box mods, nope, vw, nope, high warrage vaping , nope.

But keep ringing the death bells sooner or later you'll get lucky.

Might as well toss a dart at the wall then Go draw a bullseye around it and go see? I was right.

That's the thing, though. If you express your opinion that you do not feel a Provari is a good value.. You are considered a hater. Sad.. but true. I didn't see anything in his post that would make him a hater. Maybe I just have thicker skin than most. But hey it is your cash, do as you will with it as long as it is not a federal subsidy and you enjoy strip bars in texas with it.

I think Marg touched on it too.

 

[stevegmu]

I don't think any of the new PRC box mods are a good value- I buy things to last, but I don't start threads about why they aren't...

 

[bluecat]

Yet some how even being technically inferior they manages to become the most powerful company on the planet, selling comparable laptops spec wise for 3x everyone else, based on the quality alone, funny how that works, proving once again, not everyone wants the cheapest and fastest product available

Actually what Apple did was make it into the education system. Everything in the pre college education had to be apple. That has since changed. Now google and their chromebooks are hitting the schools. It's about time. 1000 bucks for an apple or 250 for a chromebook.

Steve Jobs was a genius at what he did from a business sense. I don't personally like apple products but a lot do including everyone in my family. I have so many I product around my house I should own a little bit of Apple. I only touch them when they break/do not work.

 

[Thrasher]

That's the thing, though. If you express your opinion that you do not feel a Provari is a good value.. You are considered a hater. Sad.. but true. I didn't see anything in his post that would make him a hater. Maybe I just have thicker skin than most. But hey it is your cash, do as you will with it as long as it is not a federal subsidy and you enjoy strip bars in texas with it.

I think Marg touched on it too.

So then why even start a thread bashing a product? You can't just say why do people buy these, I don't see the value so I'm curious?

I haven't used mine in a long time, it doesn't fit my current style yet I see no reason to put them down because my taste changed

 

[motordude]

I agree with Roxy above. It all comes down to your choice and your opinion. Maybe the fda will step in and settle all of options. Then we will be all be happy.

 

[Thrasher]

Actually what Apple did was make it into the education system. Everything in the pre college education had to be apple. That has since changed. Now google and their chromebooks are hitting the schools. It's about time. 1000 bucks for an apple or 250 for a chromebook.

Steve Jobs was a genius at what he did from a business sense. I don't personally like apple products but a lot do including everyone in my family. I have so many I product around my house I should own a little bit of Apple. I only touch them when they break/do not work.

Hate the dude, never use their stuff.
But I respect them, pure masterminds

Their net cash on hand is more then 1/4 of Europe's GDP LOL
It has to be a wild feeling knowing you have more cash, not assets, cold cash,then the gold is worth in fort knox

 

[Baditude]

Provari's are not for everyone. If you don't feel that they would be a good value, spend your money on another device.

Provape's target customer base is rather specific. As one of the big name manufacturers, I'm quite certain that they have done a lot of market research. They cater to the so-called Tootle Puffers ("high" ohm, low power), which happens to be the largest target base number-wise in vaping. Considering the entire vaping community, sub-ohm vapers are in the minority. It just seems like there are more of them on an ecig forum because forums attract vaping enthusiasts and hobbiests and extreme vapors. The average vaper does not fit in that category.

Anyone who knows me on this forum knows that I promote vaping safely. Provape is ALL ABOUT SAFETY. They will not design, manufacture, or sell any product which could be unsafe. There products go through rigorous testing before being placed on the market. I highly value that. With all of the people who are recommending beginning vapers to just buy an iStick 50 which has a history of autofiring and actually catching on fire, I can't help but cringe. But that's another topic on another thread.

Cost vs value is subjective, personal, and individualized. What I value you may not. I got tired of buying $50 Chinese mods only to have to replace them 2 - 6 months down the line. I see advanced personal vaporizers as tools, and I don't expect to have to "baby" them. I did my research and saw how Provari's were surviving falls from ledges onto concrete, falling from a speeding motorcycle and surviving, surviving an entire wash cycle in a pants pocket. The only thing which bested a Provari was a lawn mower blade (Provape salvaged the working chip and put it into another body). That's what I wanted. And on top of that, I know that if I do manage to break my Provari, I can simply return it and have it returned good as new within a few days, at less cost than buying another mod.

Buying my first Provari is to this day was the wisest and best decision that I've made since I started vaping. Honest. It fits MY vaping lifestyle better than any regulated mod I've come across. I worked for a year (2014) in a vape shop which offered a wide selction of mech/regulated mods, and nothing was better than my Provari to make me want something else. Reliability, functionality, aesthetically pleasing, serviceability, a "smoother vape".

Brand new, full-warranty, slightly blemished Provari 2.5 can be purchased for just $99 in the SPECIALS SECTION at Provape. Unblemished full-warranty discounted models for $110. Pretty reasonable to me.

I'll agree that the P3 model is over-priced for the feature set it has. I had no interest in purchasing one myself. I have three 2.5 models and am basically a low watt/high ohm vaper (Tootle Puffer). However, I was fortunate enough to be PIF a new P3 last month, and have been using it since. Would I have bought one myself? No. It does have the same high quality standards as the other Provape product lineup, but to stay up to date they probably needed for it to do sub-ohm at that price. My P3 will fire my 0.6 ohm RDA at 3.4 volts, and that's all that I ask from it (it must have come with the firmware update). It makes plenty of vaper; it won't win any cloud competitions, but I don't need it to.

 

[vapero]

the provari used to be a staple on the vaping world, but not anymore, they have been surpassed in performance, durability, size, reliability, price and aesthetics.
three years ago I could sort of see the point, two years ago the sigelei zmax gave me everything the provari promised and more at less than half the price.
today the only reason I could understand a provari purchase is because of your personal aesthetic taste, being a fan of the brand or blindly believing the praises it receives from the fans of the brand hera at the forums.

if you don't mind if it is an APV or a Mech go for the mech
if you want a APV you have hundreds of options that are much better priced, equally durable and much more powerful (or not, if you just want your 15w you can still get a much better deal)
if you want the best that technology has to offer on vaping go for a temp control mod (yihi?)

provari is big, expensive, underpowered and (for me) ugly.

I see a lot of posters saying that for them this is not a hobby but a means to stop smoking and that is why they choose a provari and not a "fad" mod

but come on, a provari is like a clasic car, yes its outer shell is much more durable but do you really think it is a better car than a mid sedan form today??

 

[Thrasher]

Lol I bet 36 million of those classics aren't being recalled right now for airbags that can kill you.

You were saying?



See, we wouldn't even be in this thread if everyone would just buy a poldiac already

 

[vapero]

Provari's are not for everyone. If you don't feel that they are a good value, spend your money on another device.

Provape's target customer base is rather specific. As one of the big name manufacturers, I'm quite certain that they have done a lot of market research. They cater to the so-called Tootle Puffers (high ohm, low power), which happens to be the largest target base number-wise in vaping. Considering the entire vaping community, sub-ohm vapers are in the minority. It just seems like there are more of them on an ecig forum because forums attract vaping enthusiasts and hobbiests. The average vaper does not frequent forums.

Cost vs value is subjective and individualized. What I value you may not. I got tired of buying $50 Chinese mods only to have to replace them 2 - 6 months down the line. I see advanced personal vaporizers as tools, and I don't expect to have to "baby" them. I did my research and saw how Provari's were surviving falls from ledges onto concrete, falling from a moving motorcycle, surviving an entire wash cycle in a pants pocket. The only thing which bested a Provari was a lawn mower blade. That's what I wanted. And on top of that, I know that if I do manage to break my Provari, I can simply return it and have it returned good as new within a few days.

Brand new, full-warranty, slightly blemished Provari 2.5 can be purchased for just $99 in the SPECIALS SECTION. Unblemished full-warranty discounted models for $110.

I'll agree that the P3 model is over-priced for the feature set it has. I had no interest in purchasing one myself. I have three 2.5 models and am basically a low watt/high ohm vaper (Tootle Puffer). However, I was fortunate enough to be PIF a new P3 last month, and have been using it since. Would I have bought one myself? No. It does have the same high quality standards as the other Provape product lineup, but to stay up to date they needed to do sub-ohm. My P3 will fire my 0.6 ohm RDA at 3.3 volts, and that's all that I ask (it must have come with the firmware update). It won't win any cloud competitions, but I don't need it to.

Anyone who knows me on this forum knows that I promote vaping safely. Provape is ALL ABOUT SAFETY. They will not design, manufacture, or sell any product which could be unsafe. I highly value that. With all of the people who are recommending beginning vapers to just buy an iStick 50 which has a history of autofiring and actually catching on fire, I can't help but cringe. But that's another topic on another thread.

this is the problem people justify the power specs of the provari because of the tootle puffers vs the cloud chasers thing, but that's not the real issue here...
I used to have a zmax and vaped at 14w and loved it, now I'm into mechs but that's not the point either. I know a lot of folks vaping at the 10-15w range and the provari is still a really costly without offering real benefits to them. the status or aesthetics I do get it, but really getting what you paid for you are not. a lot of the $10-$50 setups work just as well as a provari at the limitations of the provari (15w)