Well price not being an issue Which of the 2 do you like the best? Zmax or Provari?
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I like both. I think the Provari is great IF you put aside the $$. I also feel its getting behind the times and needs to get current with VW to be relevant in the current PV market, and it needs to do it at the current price point... not "new provari MAX now with VW for $259.99"
IF you are only going to get one and cost isn't an issue, get the provari. I just find myself using my zMax more when I'm out and about. its lighter, and costs less, so if I break it, or scratch it, or lose it.. im not freaking out. This is probably because I have a Chrome/ green screen v2 provari and therefore I cant replace it if something happens.
My best advice would be see if you can try both.. go to a local vape meet or store or something.. try what you can.. if you can't, the provari will never let you down.
From what I understand the Zmax has a 90 day warranty and the Provari has a 1 year warranty.
Provari and Provape have a proven track record of reliability and good customer service.
If the worst happens and you buy a Zmax and it dies before you've had it for over 6 months, you'll end up paying as much for it and may as well have bought a Provari.
The Zmax hasn't been around for long enough to build the reputation that the Provari has. Right now buying one is taking a bit of a chance, while buying a Provari is a safe bet. If accuracy of readings is not too big an issue and money isn't part of the equation, then that's what it boils down to imo.
Thanks, but I only have 1 local shop and they only sell eGo stuff so trying before I buy is not something I can do. Guess its Provari thanks for the tip
Here's my
4.2 volts should mean 4.2 volts regardless of the device you're using.
If you're paying the bucks for a display, the numbers should be reasonably accurate. If a reading of 4.2v is meaningless why have it?
If they can't make it read voltage or wattage accurately they should just have bars that indicate less or more instead of telling people that it reads output voltage.
I can see spending the bucks for a quality built and accurate device like a Provari
I can see spending much less for a disposable but accurate device like a Twist
I can't see spending upwards of $100 on somthing that is built cheeply and is as innacurate as a Zmax
but that's just my thinking. If you really really need a PV with a display flashing meaningless numbers...have fun with it.
Here's my
4.2 volts should mean 4.2 volts regardless of the device you're using.
If you're paying the bucks for a display, the numbers should be reasonably accurate. If a reading of 4.2v is meaningless why have it?
If they can't make it read voltage or wattage accurately they should just have bars that indicate less or more instead of telling people that it reads output voltage.
I can see spending the bucks for a quality built and accurate device like a Provari
I can see spending much less for a disposable but accurate device like a Twist
I can't see spending upwards of $100 on somthing that is built cheeply and is as innacurate as a Zmax
but that's just my thinking. If you really really need a PV with a display flashing meaningless numbers...have fun with it.
So i'm assuming you don't have a zMax... It's quite an awesome device, I use it daily, more than my ProVari.. but that's just my preference. Built solid, accurate under load (esp on VW setting). You should use one once, you might like it. I'm not going to debate this further (definitely not here) because you have obviously made up your mind and debating would just be a waste of my time and anyone else who has to read this.
I try to be objective specifically when new vapers come around. I try not to take the elitist approach, and instead offer impressions of both. I'd like to think we are a supportive group of members that embrace each persons likes and dislikes, not a group of fanboys or brand followers bashing any differing opinion that comes up. I try really hard to show new vapers that there are in fact options, great options out there that are affordable. I like to ask what their primary concern is and cater to that while highlighting the pros and cons, as I believe I did in my posts. I think this is most useful to new vapers and shows our willingness to help and be supportive. The last thing I would want to do is turn a new vaper off to something that might suite their needs. After all, im not going to tell someone their Honda is horrible because its not a Mercedes, especially if the Mercedes doesn't suite their needs.
so lets take the bashing elsewhere, PM me if you like, start a thread.. lets just not show someone new that we are a bunch of bickering fanboys..
I think you misunderstand as their is no fanboyism going on here. I'll spend my money on 50 different products and not cater to one in particular.
New vapers, who can easily go back to analogs (like I did last year when I bought a crappy device) should know the differences of each as well as their strengths and weaknesses. You're right, there is absolutely nothing wrong with a Zmax/Vmax...but the build quality isn't that of a Provari, and that is simple fact. That should be important to anyone new to this because the last thing anyone needs who just quit smoking is to buy a product that may fail on them six months down the road. That's being completely objective, economically feasible, and realistic.
With that said, a new vaper shouldn't be reaching for a Zmax, a Provari, a Darwin or anything else VV/VW unless they are completely comfortable with using such devices, and most are not. They should start with a Silver Bullet or an Ego kit. However, the OP wanted to know which to buy,a Provari or Zmax...and to be quite honest...the Provari is the better product all around. And that doesn't take a fanboy to say so with confidence.
100-130 bucks... a device that is great and may/may not last the duration. Has a six month warranty.
200-250 bucks...a device that is excellent that has an optional 2 year warranty and has been proven to be bulletproof.
"An educated consumer is the best customer"
New vapers, who can easily go back to analogs (like I did last year when I bought a crappy device) should know the differences of each as well as their strengths and weaknesses. You're right, there is absolutely nothing wrong with a Zmax/Vmax...but the build quality isn't that of a Provari, and that is simple fact. That should be important to anyone new to this because the last thing anyone needs who just quit smoking is to buy a product that may fail on them six months down the road. That's being completely objective, economically feasible, and realistic.
With that said, a new vaper shouldn't be reaching for a Zmax, a Provari, a Darwin or anything else VV/VW unless they are completely comfortable with using such devices, and most are not. They should start with a Silver Bullet or an Ego kit. However, the OP wanted to know which to buy,a Provari or Zmax...and to be quite honest...the Provari is the better product all around. And that doesn't take a fanboy to say so with confidence.
100-130 bucks... a device that is great and may/may not last the duration. Has a six month warranty.
200-250 bucks...a device that is excellent that has an optional 2 year warranty and has been proven to be bulletproof.
"An educated consumer is the best customer"
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I understand completely, there is no misunderstanding here. There are already tons of threads comparing and contrasting the two, take this conversation there.
Hell, I dont even know why this conversation is continuing, I even stated
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Again, this conversation needs to go elsewhere.
I just posted a review and mentioned that. Zmax Final Conclusion - YouTube Youed be silly to pass up a Provari for a Zmax! Having said that If you wait for the Z2 Z3 Z4 you'd be better off ;-)
Provari is still the raining king of available VV Mods. Texas Select Vapor will be releasing the Stallion in the next few weeks It uses the DNA chip same as the Opus. Keep an eye on the classified I see darwins in there sometimes.
Provari is still the raining king of available VV Mods. Texas Select Vapor will be releasing the Stallion in the next few weeks It uses the DNA chip same as the Opus. Keep an eye on the classified I see darwins in there sometimes.
I think we have the same goal of giving honest opinions and to share our experience with new users. Please don’t take my comments on wishing for some semblance of accuracy in voltage or wattage displays as a personal insult.
As an engineer, in my line of work accurate numbers and readings are critical. As I said, if the Zmax didn’t make a false claim about what their readings represent and went with a “power bar” graphic or 0-10 graphic, I’d have no problem with it. But when unsuspecting people assume that a 4.2V reading is going to actually vape like 4.2 volts and not a much higher value as is the case with the Zmax then I call the manufacturer out on that…. especially when there are devices both more expensive and much less expensive that supply accuracy and live up to their claims.
I recognize that it produces vapor and can regulate output to some adjustable but unknown setting. If that’s what somebody is looking for then by all means buy it and vape to your heart’s content.
As far as being a "fanboy", name calling is uncalled for. I'm not pushing ANY product, but just trying to give the pros and con's of several products mentioned and the benifit of my experience and research.
No personal insult taken, nothing you said was directed at me. I just disagree based on tests I have done between both units.
Im an engineer as well, and I program so I completely understand the importance of numbers. Here is where things are skewed, the average pk-pk is on point, but it is unfiltered, so yes it vapes harder.
I didn't call you a fan boy, re-read my comment.
In other words, lets not continue bickering about which opinion is better in a forum that doesn't serve that purpose, we will end up sounding like fan boys. I didn't say "you are being a fan boy", it was quite emphatically a "we".digunderground said:
I could debate the durability of the ProVari being mine has been back to provape more than any of my other mods have had to go back anywhere. To this day I still get random E5 / E6 errors..
oh, this just in..
GOD "Provari is the best, because it uses baby eagle tears for solder"
can we please move on now, i have things to do... like eat, or DIY some mods, or something other than this.. lol
Nope, a quality device set to 4 volts should vape like 4v it shouldn't hit warmer or cooler. If it claims to be variable voltage accruate to 0.1v setting increments then at that price it's reasonable to expect that those settings should be accurate. Other quality devices on the market can acheive that, they should be able to also.
I can set a Provari to 4v and a Twist to 4v and get a very similar vape .
I wasn't aware of that.
Have a nice dinner.
I'm having leftover meatloaf so I don't mind typing as I scarf it down.
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I don't know anything about the Opus. Is it a variable wattage mod? I'm *this* close to getting a Provari, but I know I would be happier having VW instead of just VV. Right now my eGo Twists are ok, so I'm seeing how long I can wait for a tech refresh.
On a side note, I'm wondering if Texas Select has thought through that name. No way am I walking around sucking on a 'Stallion'. I'm sorry.
How much is the extended 2 year warranty for the zMax? Oh, that's right, you can't buy one. Hmmm, wonder why?
Opus is a wooden Mod that uses the DNA chip VW its another always out of stock INHALER mod same as Darwin same makers as the kick. The Opus as far as the Stallion thing thats your call besides your not sucking just puffing and an occasional quick blow to clear it
Theres also a custom Box mod maker that uses the DNA chip but I cant remember the their name.
The ZMax had a great concept of bringing VW for the masses, the execution however did not pan out too well. I'm personally just waiting for whoever's updates their product first. Provape would have to update their ProVari to include VW and Smoktech would have to recalibrate their Zmax. I've loved VW ever since getting my first kick. So, if you can wait, I would suggest getting a good mechanical mod + kick until those companies sort it out.
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