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Went to my local B & M yesterday to pick up some new juices on sale for Black Friday, and happened to ask him if he had any Provari's. His answer kind of stumped me. He said he won't carry Provaris because he can't make enough money off of them. He said that because of what they charge he can only make at most 10-15 dollars off of them. Has anyone heard of this before? I know in Washington Provaris were the biggest high end mod sellers in the B & Ms. And it's not like he has to pay an import tax or anything; we're in Alaska for crying out loud!

Big Red Flag right there.

If he won't even consider making $10-15 off of selling one item, imagine how much he's marking up the other stuff. Besides, even if he only makes $10 on the ProVari, he'll likely achieve a spending customer. How many people buy just a mod and walk out without a half dozen other goodies while they are there.

Sounds like the guy opened a snatch & grab store, with no intention of building a longterm business model. I would never shop there.

Seriously, this guy sounds like he knows nothing about business. Good luck with his "EgosR'Us".
 

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Actually wrong. And you can thank the dems for that. Retirees DO pay income tax on social security income now. Which I for one think is wrong. Just another in a long string of broken promises.

Also they will tax your 401k (Provided your contributions weren't post tax) and IRAs when you start withdrawing the money. The government is going to get your money one way or another.
 
Quote Originally Posted by amanda211 View Post
Went to my local B & M yesterday to pick up some new juices on sale for Black Friday, and happened to ask him if he had any Provari's. His answer kind of stumped me. He said he won't carry Provaris because he can't make enough money off of them. He said that because of what they charge he can only make at most 10-15 dollars off of them. Has anyone heard of this before? I know in Washington Provaris were the biggest high end mod sellers in the B & Ms. And it's not like he has to pay an import tax or anything; we're in Alaska for crying out loud!

Big Red Flag right there.

If he won't even consider making $10-15 off of selling one item, imagine how much he's marking up the other stuff. Besides, even if he only makes $10 on the ProVari, he'll likely achieve a spending customer. How many people buy just a mod and walk out without a half dozen other goodies while they are there.

Sounds like the guy opened a snatch & grab store, with no intention of building a longterm business model. I would never shop there.

Seriously, this guy sounds like he knows nothing about business. Good luck with his "EgosR'Us".

Agreed...As a Washington State resident I have to pay sales tax on a Provari even if I order it online direct from Pro Vape...so a Provari depending on what colors and extras you get is going to run you an average of 20 dollars more alone in sales tax as a Washington State customer...unless you're buying for resale...I am not sure how it works on vape gear but I know on most thing you can exempt yourself from sales tax if you have a business License/Tax number and a business account with who you're buying from...I used to get stuff from Costco and Cash'n'Cary tax free for business use...the only things we don't tax in this state is unprepared food, cold prepared (frozen), and produce...everything else including bottled water is taxed...oh, wait, I think they finally took the sales tax off of candy, can't remember if that passed or not, anyways it doesn't matter...the point is if he can buy them cheaper than any of us tax free and resell them for 15 bucks...avoid having to do the whole shipping song and dance and making a happy repeat customer...isin't he making more than 10-15 bucks in the long run?

Jus sayin :unsure:
 

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I wouldn't shop there if I had a choice, but he's all I've got up here. I like to try before I buy. And while his juices are not the greatest I can usually "fix " them with the diy stuff I have at home. I did order some HHV samples to try so hopefully I wont have to go back there. No offense to college kids or liberal -minded people, but he is both (I think) and for some reason he rubs me the wrong way. I would love to not have to go there. He knows he has the market cornered in this town and I think it's made him a little too big for his britches.
 

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I find it most disturbing that the guy is above working for $10. It just proves that his only interest is easy money. He saw the popularity of vaping growing and thought "I bet I could make a killing on these dumbasses". At least that's the picture I'm seeing.

The sad part is, he prolly will. At the end of the day, $25 (that he got for a dollar a piece) chinese drip tips will be his bread and butter.
 

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I find it most disturbing that the guy is above working for $10. It just proves that his only interest is easy money. He saw the popularity of vaping growing and thought "I bet I could make a killing on these dumbasses". At least that's the picture I'm seeing.

The sad part is, he prolly will. At the end of the day, $25 (that he got for a dollar a piece) chinese drip tips will be his bread and butter.
Funny you mention that...huge basket of plastic tips on the counter $10 each. Ihybrids for $106. Don't know how much going rate is on them. This is the same guy that gave me a blank stare when I asked about true - stone and hand blown glass tips.
 

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Hopefully your HHV experience goes well. They are one of two online juice vendors I've come to depend on. Also, there are a few of us here that have tried quite a few of their flavors and can maybe help you zero in on one you'll like, if you let us know what you're looking for.

Once you find a suitable ADV, maybe you won't have to return to that arrogant douchenozzle's store. :D
 

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Quote Originally Posted by amanda211 View Post
Went to my local B & M yesterday to pick up some new juices on sale for Black Friday, and happened to ask him if he had any Provari's. His answer kind of stumped me. He said he won't carry Provaris because he can't make enough money off of them. He said that because of what they charge he can only make at most 10-15 dollars off of them. Has anyone heard of this before? I know in Washington Provaris were the biggest high end mod sellers in the B & Ms. And it's not like he has to pay an import tax or anything; we're in Alaska for crying out loud!



Agreed...As a Washington State resident I have to pay sales tax on a Provari even if I order it online direct from Pro Vape...so a Provari depending on what colors and extras you get is going to run you an average of 20 dollars more alone in sales tax as a Washington State customer...unless you're buying for resale...I am not sure how it works on vape gear but I know on most thing you can exempt yourself from sales tax if you have a business License/Tax number and a business account with who you're buying from...I used to get stuff from Costco and Cash'n'Cary tax free for business use...the only things we don't tax in this state is unprepared food, cold prepared (frozen), and produce...everything else including bottled water is taxed...oh, wait, I think they finally took the sales tax off of candy, can't remember if that passed or not, anyways it doesn't matter...the point is if he can buy them cheaper than any of us tax free and resell them for 15 bucks...avoid having to do the whole shipping song and dance and making a happy repeat customer...isin't he making more than 10-15 bucks in the long run?

Jus sayin :unsure:

I'd have to respectfully disagree. As a business owner myself, I can 100% see where he's coming from. At a $10-15 markup, he's probably losing money when you take other expenses into account such as payroll, rent/lease, other taxes, electricity, etc. Even if he is buying them tax free & charging his customers sales tax when he sells them, you can't count that as income - he doesn't get to keep that; that's just big brother taking our money & using him as the middle man.

One of the hardest things to do as a small business owner is own up to the fact that time is money. Even though it's highly unlikely that he owns the building, owns the land that the building is sitting on & works 100% solo (including those behind the scenes, such as accountants) his time is worth something. A lot of well intentioned business owners go belly up because of this simple fact. Taking the gamble that losing money on a product will draw customers in to buy other products is just that, a gamble - which doesn't work out more often than not.

I don't know this guy, nor his shop, nor his business plan so I could be completely off. However, it sounds to me that he's running a tight ship & just taking precautions to keep his own tail above water. I wouldn't fault him for that. It certainly doesn't lead me to believe he's price gouging on other items. I don't know ProVape's business model either. I think the most logical thing I've read was regarding him not being a 'certified dealer' (my own words, I didn't go back to see who wrote it or what it was, word for word). It's probable that they do have certified dealers who are able to buy their products at a reasonable discount to resale at a competitive market price, and if this particular guy isn't one I wouldn't see why he'd look into selling them either.

My $0.02. I expect change.
 

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I'd have to respectfully disagree. As a business owner myself, I can 100% see where he's coming from. At a $10-15 markup, he's probably losing money when you take other expenses into account such as payroll, rent/lease, other taxes, electricity, etc. Even if he is buying them tax free & charging his customers sales tax when he sells them, you can't count that as income - he doesn't get to keep that; that's just big brother taking our money & using him as the middle man.

One of the hardest things to do as a small business owner is own up to the fact that time is money. Even though it's highly unlikely that he owns the building, owns the land that the building is sitting on & works 100% solo (including those behind the scenes, such as accountants) his time is worth something. A lot of well intentioned business owners go belly up because of this simple fact. Taking the gamble that losing money on a product will draw customers in to buy other products is just that, a gamble - which doesn't work out more often than not.

I don't know this guy, nor his shop, nor his business plan so I could be completely off. However, it sounds to me that he's running a tight ship & just taking precautions to keep his own tail above water. I wouldn't fault him for that. It certainly doesn't lead me to believe he's price gouging on other items. I don't know ProVape's business model either. I think the most logical thing I've read was regarding him not being a 'certified dealer' (my own words, I didn't go back to see who wrote it or what it was, word for word). It's probable that they do have certified dealers who are able to buy their products at a reasonable discount to resale at a competitive market price, and if this particular guy isn't one I wouldn't see why he'd look into selling them either.

My $0.02. I expect change.

Thanks, Obama!
 

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manditory health care

It's far from mandatory. It's just not simple to get around. They're counting on the fact that our failing education system is doing what it's intended & that the majority of people aren't wise enough to figure out how to get around it. Or at least willing to put in the little bit of extra work to save themselves the money. I don't have healthcare. I don't need healthcare. I'm not getting it & I'm certainly not paying any 'fines' for not having it. Read the law, do the math.
 

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Again, (this is purely opinion) anytime you sell a mod, you can expect to sell a bunch of stuff with it, wether it be a ProTank or $40 of juice.

Who here makes it out of ProVape for $179? Not me, my order quickly exceeds $220 by the time I add extensions, batteries, cases, etc.

Actually I'll make it out of there on Monday for just over $175 on my wife's bronze mini with green LED. We already have two I4 chargers and she has half a dozen 350s and that's all she ever uses. So no need to get her the extension and I also have an extra pro-ring that she can have.
 

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Again, (this is purely opinion) anytime you sell a mod, you can expect to sell a bunch of stuff with it, wether it be a ProTank or $40 of juice.

Who here makes it out of ProVape for $179? Not me, my order quickly exceeds $220 by the time I add extensions, batteries, cases, etc.

I got out of ProVape the first time for $155: a satin silver mini blem with blue LED; I never found the blem. Then I got an Xtar mini charger (it charges 2 18350s) for $11.99 and 2 18350s for about $8 each. - Total $182.99 + whatever the shipping was from the other vendor, which wasn't much. I already had IBTanks.

ETA: Lol @ your other post! I love EGos 'R' Us!
 

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