Yeah, well, that's what they said about another form of legalization and gay marriage, and the country is starting to come to it's senses on those issues, so ya never know.
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Yeah, well, that's what they said about another form of legalization and gay marriage, and the country is starting to come to it's senses on those issues, so ya never know.
I usually vape 12mg, but I have some 6mg for my RBAs and I have some zero nic samples. I have vaped the 6mg and the 0mg. For me, I do not notice a difference in flavor. I have started vaping the 6mg at night with the goal of stepping it down to there all the time. I find myself way overvaping lately. With a lower nic it doesn't matter as much.
I didn't leave my house an that didn't stop me from buying to much juice
It was 60% off the first hour at the first shop I went to....Then there were more.....including one I didn't know about that opened near me 2 weeks ago (and they sell many mechs - clones and real higher end ones; I did resist the shinies).
If the legalization you are referring to is the one I think you are, the only reason some of them are changing there minds is so they can get re-elected next year. I think it's just lip service to give the appearance that they are distancing themselves from a law that a large portion of this country wants revoked. If there were ever an animal that could talk out both ends at the same time, it's a politician.
It's my plan to try and get down to 12mg by the end of the year.
Ditto to Technonuts recommendation of the EJuiceMeUp calculator.
Mixing your own juice CAN be quite simple, but there is DANGER. The danger is this - IT WILL LIKELY BECOME AN ENTIRE NEW HOBBY.
You'll want to craft new flavors, experiment with different tweaks to the flavor, you may find yourself shopping for things like a device to speed-steep (there are whole threads on using sonic jewelry cleaners for this); etc.
But seriously - it's fun, ridiculously economical, and can of course CYA against FDA troubles.
Mixing your own juice CAN be quite simple, but there is DANGER. The danger is this - IT WILL LIKELY BECOME AN ENTIRE NEW HOBBY.
You'll want to craft new flavors, experiment with different tweaks to the flavor, you may find yourself shopping for things like a device to speed-steep (there are whole threads on using sonic jewelry cleaners for this); etc.
But seriously - it's fun, ridiculously economical, and can of course CYA against FDA troubles.
Whatever you two do, don't go about getting to 0mg the way I did. I didn't vape at all the month of October (I was @ 12mg, prior) because I was in some kind of narcotic haze (a lot of morphine and percoset); I had to spend 3 weeks with a broken leg to allow the swelling to go down before surgery. I missed vaping something fierce.
I guess hitting 0mg as a result is the silver lining. But even then, I still love vaping and don't see myself quitting any time soon. I mean, c'mon...I still have to spend time enjoying being a ProVari owner. (which will be so soon I can taste it!!!)
Although there is surgery in my not to distant future, I have to have bone spurs removed from my rotator cuff yet again (thanks to an unwise decision in my younger days), I doubt it will hinder my ability to vape.
The FDA's proposed regulations will be announced next month...
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I predict that any flavored e-liquids except for tobacco & menthol will be banned, along with nicotine base. Only pre-filled cartos will be available, or if bottled e-liquid is available, it will be limited in nic strength, and sold in very small amounts. Excessive taxation is a given.
Hopefully, some of the larger vendors will initiate a lawsuit against these regulations, and buy us some time. I suggest that anyone who has not taken some sort of action do so now...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...op-fda-giving-e-cig-industry-big-tobacco.html
Well, the FDA lacks the authority to raise taxes one dime. That authority rests with Congress.
We honestly don't know what the deeming regulations will be. The best bet for defense of our right to vape is supporting CASAA, IMHO.
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That said, Technonut's precautions are not a bad idea...
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I'm like 6mg in my vape now, I have 1000ml of 100mg VG in storage, should last a little while.
Came to check in on the ProVari peeps only to get depressed. I have zero nic stash and wanna kick the FDA's ... now. Wonder who's fat pockets are paying them off? BT, BB, ANTZ or combo of all.
Can't the FDA focus on more pressing things that affect consumer health like what exactly is Taco Bell's meat made out of? <cringing thinking about it...YUCK, I hate Taco Hell>
Can't the FDA focus on more pressing things that affect consumer health like what exactly is Taco Bell's meat made out of? <cringing thinking about it...YUCK, I hate Taco Hell>
The excessive taxation would come into play if e-cigs are included in the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act, and classified as a tobacco product. The FDA already stated that small businesses would be affected under the proposed regulations, as well as international trade.. Just look at what the EU is trying to do right now..
They just dont get it Commission proposal for the regulation of e-cigarettes « The counterfactual
We won't know until the announcement next month. With the increasing negative public opinion and media attention against e-cigs, I'm not holding my breath for anything good to come of it.. It is important to support CASAA, and take whatever personal action possible...
They just dont get it Commission proposal for the regulation of e-cigarettes « The counterfactual
We won't know until the announcement next month. With the increasing negative public opinion and media attention against e-cigs, I'm not holding my breath for anything good to come of it.. It is important to support CASAA, and take whatever personal action possible...
I wouldn't worry about anything for awhile.. There will be a period of time for public comment after the announcement. It is wise to be prepared though IMHO..
They already are a Tobacco Product. They were classified as such since the nicotine extract in e-liquid cannot be commercially produced by any other vegetable at this time. This was the basis of Smoke Everywhere's lawsuit to stop the FDA from classifying them as a drug or drug delivery system in their filed complaint in April 2009. While many of your fears of regulation are completely valid, it will take Congressional Action to raise taxes on e-liquid.
Here is the history of vaping, as told by CASAA. It is an interesting read, to be sure.
E-cigarette History
The regulations will be deemed on e-cigarettes based on the April 2011 announcement by the FDA that it will regulate e-cigarettes as it currently regulates traditional cigarettes and other tobacco products under the Food Drug and Cosmetics Act. However, any e-cigarette products advertising claims of helping the user to stop smoking or providing any other health benefit will be more strictly regulated as a drug or medical device.
That is part of the history I referenced above. The FDA has been stating they intend to deem these products for well over a year now. It appears that the time is very close now. Buckle up, and get ready to raise some hell. Perhaps the regulations will be lighter and more reasonable than the ones the EU is trying to back door, but don't count on it. I expect they will be very close to what is in the article Techno cited.
Thanks for that link, Technonut!
That is part of the history I referenced above. The FDA has been stating they intend to deem these products for well over a year now. It appears that the time is very close now. Buckle up, and get ready to raise some hell. Perhaps the regulations will be lighter and more reasonable than the ones the EU is trying to back door, but don't count on it. I expect they will be very close to what is in the article Techno cited.
Thanks for that link, Technonut!
I started to become VERY concerned when the small, one-horse rural county I live in specifically banned the use of e-cigs on any county property, including the parks...
Not attempting to cast doom and gloom here.. Just be aware of what's going on, and do what you can about it.
Now, back to our regularly scheduled ProVari forum banter...
Not attempting to cast doom and gloom here.. Just be aware of what's going on, and do what you can about it.
Now, back to our regularly scheduled ProVari forum banter...
Spot on.
Public comment period will be a minimum of 30 days, probably a bit longer. There will also likely be a transition period before the regulations take hold. There is no guarantee of the grace period, but this is what is done in most cases.
I wish I had more time, but I gotta go do some shopping today and I have a date later.
Catch you cats tomorrow.
In light of the new soon to be announced regulations, I have a question.
If you do not DYI your own E-Liquid, can you freeze the already mixed flavors from vendors and if so, will they degrade? Does anyone know how long they last not frozen?
Would it be worth stocking up on the things that you like, along with other supplies?
If you do not DYI your own E-Liquid, can you freeze the already mixed flavors from vendors and if so, will they degrade? Does anyone know how long they last not frozen?
Would it be worth stocking up on the things that you like, along with other supplies?
I started to become VERY concerned when the small, one-horse rural county I live in specifically banned the use of e-cigs on any county property, including the parks...
Not attempting to cast doom and gloom here.. Just be aware of what's going on, and do what you can about it.
Now, back to our regularly scheduled ProVari forum banter...
I applaud your efforts to shed light on the real world issues we face as vapers. I have been attending CASAA meetings for about a year now and it has really been a great experience. While the threats you describe are very real, we have some good folks on our side ready to fight the good fight, and the ANTZ and the FDA know it. It may make them think twice about overly draconian regulations. But there is no guarantee that logic and proportion will guide bureaucrats...
As vapers, we should be prepared to raise some hell when the time comes to remind the FDA that they work for us.
I'm in the same boat and would love to know. I have 5-6 vendor juices I would literally freak out if I ran out. I do not know nor couldn't duplicate these flavors on my own nor really want to DIY. I know a fresh bottle unfrozen is suppose to last 1 yr (some on the forum say up to two) depending on vendor but wonder if they can be frozen.
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