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Just out of curiosity, those of you who vape with the older provaris that dont do watts, at what voltage do you vape?
I go by the old rule of thumb, take the ohms of your attie and add 2, so a 1.8 ohm coil in a nautilus ar bvc or Kayfuns, I would try it at 3.8 volts. This is a rather loose methodology, because, with like a Protank 2, I go the + 1.5 route. So start low and work up. With newer BVC type coils the +2 works very well for me, the older type gear like the Protank coils would get too hot for my I taste.

With a new coil I always start low, like its a Nautilus coil in a Kabuki, if it's a 1.8 ohm coil, for the first few puffs I'll fire it at 3.6 volts, then bump it up to 3.8 or so as needed to get good vapor and taste, as the coil ages, I'll gradually increase the voltage when I notice vapor production falling off till it get to about 4- 4.1-4.2 volts...at this point the coil is getting old and needs replaced for me, usually after a week, more or less depending on juice and usage.
 

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I thought you guys would like this. Tim Klerekoper, owner of Vapor Force (the company ProVape first made the Stealth for) posted it tonight to a fb group we both belong to.

I've had several people ask me recently why I think ProVape went out of business. I thought I'd share my opinion with all of you. (I've said this before, but I thought I'd say it again.) I worked with ProVape approximately four years, two years directly. I was intimately connected with the company and its people.

Reason 1: ProVape refused to compromise on quality. Parts were high grade stainless milled on CNC machines. The were inspected over 25 times during the manufacturing process, and for any of you who ever bought a blem and couldn't find anything wrong, you know how strict their standards were. They also took a long time to develop new products. It shouldn't be a surprise to learn their overall rate of repair (including customer damaged units) was less than one half of one percent. China can't even come close.

Reason 2: ProVape refused to compromise on safety. Circuit boards were specifically designed for the unit they would control. There was no "generic" anything. As aerospace engineers everything was designed with safety in mind - which is why they never put inferior materials or multiple batteries in their products, and why they never got into the low ohms/high wattage race. Their testing process was incredibly thorough ... which is why they didn't come up with new models every three weeks (like most of their competition did.)

Reason 3: ProVape never lost sight of their original goal. They never went along with vaping fads, but designed systems that would achieve the reason they got in the business in the first place: to produce an effective way for people to get off of tobacco. They didn't mind the cloud-blowers and off the charts wattage wars (their philosophy was "as long as they aren't smoking, they're ahead,") but quality and safety kept them focused on the average consumer.

If this sounds like a ProVape ad, my apologies. Some habits die hard. I still use my ProVari(s) every day. I've never had to have one repaired yet, so I suspect I'll be using them for a long time to come. I am very grateful for the time I spent working with ProVape. I'd never worked with a company whose employees (from the owners to the people in shipping and customer service) cared more about the products they manufactured or the people they were making them for. And our dealers around the world were exemplary too.

I've also never worked with a company whose profit margin was so low. If you know what the average ProVari cost to manufacture you'd never complain about the price.

After working so closely with ProVape do I have any dirt on the company? (Surprisingly, a question I've also been asked a few times!) About as much dirt as you'd find on a ProVari when you first opened the box. An American company that folded because they did things too well. I'm sorry they're gone ... but there are over a half million people they helped over the years ... and they have a lot to be proud of.

I have a feeling that the vaping industry is going to be heading back to basics again. I certainly hope so ... but I'm glad I was able to work alongside one of the foundational forces that made the industry what it is today.
 

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GT3 = flooding

As a beside I might be different because I'm not using 28g kanthal in my builds.. with the kayfun 4, I found the best flavor using 24g. Kanthal at about 1.3 - 1.4 ohms..(with organic Japanese cotton for my wicking)

Which might explain the sweet spot for me being a little bit higher a voltage, don't know, but this is where I'm getting the perfect vape, for me.. at least in the kayfun 4..

Just started working on the Taifun gt3 ... that may or may not end up different.. lol.. I keep flooding it so far, so I don't know how it's going to end up!
 

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Excellent post, thank you.

I thought you guys would like this. Tim Klerekoper, owner of Vapor Force (the company ProVape first made the Stealth for) posted it tonight to a fb group we both belong to.

I've had several people ask me recently why I think ProVape went out of business. I thought I'd share my opinion with all of you. (I've said this before, but I thought I'd say it again.) I worked with ProVape approximately four years, two years directly. I was intimately connected with the company and its people.

Reason 1: ProVape refused to compromise on quality. Parts were high grade stainless milled on CNC machines. The were inspected over 25 times during the manufacturing process, and for any of you who ever bought a blem and couldn't find anything wrong, you know how strict their standards were. They also took a long time to develop new products. It shouldn't be a surprise to learn their overall rate of repair (including customer damaged units) was less than one half of one percent. China can't even come close.

Reason 2: ProVape refused to compromise on safety. Circuit boards were specifically designed for the unit they would control. There was no "generic" anything. As aerospace engineers everything was designed with safety in mind - which is why they never put inferior materials or multiple batteries in their products, and why they never got into the low ohms/high wattage race. Their testing process was incredibly thorough ... which is why they didn't come up with new models every three weeks (like most of their competition did.)

Reason 3: ProVape never lost sight of their original goal. They never went along with vaping fads, but designed systems that would achieve the reason they got in the business in the first place: to produce an effective way for people to get off of tobacco. They didn't mind the cloud-blowers and off the charts wattage wars (their philosophy was "as long as they aren't smoking, they're ahead,") but quality and safety kept them focused on the average consumer.

If this sounds like a ProVape ad, my apologies. Some habits die hard. I still use my ProVari(s) every day. I've never had to have one repaired yet, so I suspect I'll be using them for a long time to come. I am very grateful for the time I spent working with ProVape. I'd never worked with a company whose employees (from the owners to the people in shipping and customer service) cared more about the products they manufactured or the people they were making them for. And our dealers around the world were exemplary too.

I've also never worked with a company whose profit margin was so low. If you know what the average ProVari cost to manufacture you'd never complain about the price.

After working so closely with ProVape do I have any dirt on the company? (Surprisingly, a question I've also been asked a few times!) About as much dirt as you'd find on a ProVari when you first opened the box. An American company that folded because they did things too well. I'm sorry they're gone ... but there are over a half million people they helped over the years ... and they have a lot to be proud of.

I have a feeling that the vaping industry is going to be heading back to basics again. I certainly hope so ... but I'm glad I was able to work alongside one of the foundational forces that made the industry what it is today.
 

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I thought you guys would like this. Tim Klerekoper, owner of Vapor Force (the company ProVape first made the Stealth for) posted it tonight to a fb group we both belong to.

I've had several people ask me recently why I think ProVape went out of business. I thought I'd share my opinion with all of you. (I've said this before, but I thought I'd say it again.) I worked with ProVape approximately four years, two years directly. I was intimately connected with the company and its people.

Reason 1: ProVape refused to compromise on quality. Parts were high grade stainless milled on CNC machines. The were inspected over 25 times during the manufacturing process, and for any of you who ever bought a blem and couldn't find anything wrong, you know how strict their standards were. They also took a long time to develop new products. It shouldn't be a surprise to learn their overall rate of repair (including customer damaged units) was less than one half of one percent. China can't even come close.

Reason 2: ProVape refused to compromise on safety. Circuit boards were specifically designed for the unit they would control. There was no "generic" anything. As aerospace engineers everything was designed with safety in mind - which is why they never put inferior materials or multiple batteries in their products, and why they never got into the low ohms/high wattage race. Their testing process was incredibly thorough ... which is why they didn't come up with new models every three weeks (like most of their competition did.)

Reason 3: ProVape never lost sight of their original goal. They never went along with vaping fads, but designed systems that would achieve the reason they got in the business in the first place: to produce an effective way for people to get off of tobacco. They didn't mind the cloud-blowers and off the charts wattage wars (their philosophy was "as long as they aren't smoking, they're ahead,") but quality and safety kept them focused on the average consumer.

If this sounds like a ProVape ad, my apologies. Some habits die hard. I still use my ProVari(s) every day. I've never had to have one repaired yet, so I suspect I'll be using them for a long time to come. I am very grateful for the time I spent working with ProVape. I'd never worked with a company whose employees (from the owners to the people in shipping and customer service) cared more about the products they manufactured or the people they were making them for. And our dealers around the world were exemplary too.

I've also never worked with a company whose profit margin was so low. If you know what the average ProVari cost to manufacture you'd never complain about the price.

After working so closely with ProVape do I have any dirt on the company? (Surprisingly, a question I've also been asked a few times!) About as much dirt as you'd find on a ProVari when you first opened the box. An American company that folded because they did things too well. I'm sorry they're gone ... but there are over a half million people they helped over the years ... and they have a lot to be proud of.

I have a feeling that the vaping industry is going to be heading back to basics again. I certainly hope so ... but I'm glad I was able to work alongside one of the foundational forces that made the industry what it is today.
Thanks for sharing. We hear this from several people who worked closely with Provape. And every time I do, I feel mad/sad all over again that such a fine company found itself in a position where it was best to close down.
 

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You have the same problem?

I do, to the point that it is a dust collector. Each time I reassemble the thing, the "juice flow control" moves and opens too far. I put the control in quotes because it is out of control.
 

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Just out of curiosity, those of you who vape with the older provaris that dont do watts, at what voltage do you vape?
Depends on resistance. Watts is the important consideration. Ever use an Ohm Calculator? Punch in any two (ohms, watts, volts) to get the third. Generally, if you prefer 12 watts then enter that and the resistance on your atty and it will calculate the volts you need to set your provi at.

Online Conversion - Ohm's Law Calculator
 

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Depends on resistance. Watts is the important consideration. Ever use an Ohm Calculator? Punch in any two (ohms, watts, volts) to get the third. Generally, if you prefer 12 watts then enter that and the resistance on your atty and it will calculate the volts you need to set your provi at.

Online Conversion - Ohm's Law Calculator
yup, I do use the ohms calculator. I was just curious at what others do.
 

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Depends on resistance. Watts is the important consideration. Ever use an Ohm Calculator? Punch in any two (ohms, watts, volts) to get the third. Generally, if you prefer 12 watts then enter that and the resistance on your atty and it will calculate the volts you need to set your provi at.

Online Conversion - Ohm's Law Calculator

On my provari if I set the volts according to taste, it reads what ohms my atty is at and sets the watts automatically and accordingly.. you don't have to set for watts, you can do either on a provari. This is what it seems to do anyway..

Am I wrong?
 

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