I have to disagree re bones. T bone and pork bones are a no no, they can splinter and puncture the intestines but don't take my word for it, ask a vet.
Huh, I guess I can do that. I thought they were safe after cooking.
With that said, you should see some of the things the little dog eats. Like baby quail, "The delicacy of the desert." He gets really intense about it.
Oh well. No deaths so far. I was always told no poetry… Then again, the baby quail.
Anna
With that said, you should see some of the things the little dog eats. Like baby quail, "The delicacy of the desert." He gets really intense about it.
Oh well. No deaths so far. I was always told no poetry… Then again, the baby quail.
Anna
- Ask your vet about giving Steel cooked bones. -
See what Larry S. Katz, PhD Associate Professor and Chair Animal Sciences Rutgers University had to say concerning spay neuter.
Full study with references in PDF format and found on the National Animal Interest Alliance (NAIA) website: http://www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/LongTermHealthEffectsOfSpayNeuterInDogs.pdf
Summary of bullet and talking points from the easy to read and understand 12 page study of Long Term Health Effects of Spay Neuter in Dogs ...
"An objective reading of the veterinary medical literature reveals a complex situation with respect to the long-term health risks and benefits associated with spay/neuter in dogs. The evidence shows that spay/neuter correlates with both positive AND adverse health effects in dogs. It also suggests how much we really do not yet understand about this subject.
On balance, it appears that no compelling case can be made for neutering most male dogs, especially immature male dogs, in order to prevent future health problems. The number of health problems associated with neutering may exceed the associated health benefits in most cases.
On the positive side, neutering male dogs
• eliminates the small risk (probably <1%) of dying from testicular cancer
• reduces the risk of non-cancerous prostate disorders
• reduces the risk of perianal fistulas
• may possibly reduce the risk of diabetes (data inconclusive)
On the negative side, neutering male dogs
• if done before 1 year of age, significantly increases the risk of osteosarcoma (bone cancer); this is a common cancer in medium/large and larger breeds with a poor prognosis.
• increases the risk of cardiac hemangiosarcoma by a factor of 1.6
• triples the risk of hypothyroidism
• increases the risk of progressive geriatric cognitive impairment
• triples the risk of obesity, a common health problem in dogs with many associated health problems
• quadruples the small risk (<0.6%) of prostate cancer
• doubles the small risk (<1%) of urinary tract cancers
• increases the risk of orthopedic disorders
• increases the risk of adverse reactions to vaccinations
For female dogs, the situation is more complex. The number of health benefits associated with spaying may exceed the associated health problems in some (not all) cases. On balance, whether spaying improves the odds of overall good health or degrades them probably depends on the age of the female dog and the relative risk of various diseases in the different breeds.
On the positive side, spaying female dogs
• if done before 2.5 years of age, greatly reduces the risk of mammary tumors, the most common malignant tumors in female dogs
• nearly eliminates the risk of pyometra, which otherwise would affect about 23% of intact female dogs; pyometra kills about 1% of intact female dogs
• reduces the risk of perianal fistulas
• removes the very small risk (≤0.5%) from uterine, cervical, and ovarian tumors
On the negative side, spaying female dogs
• if done before 1 year of age, significantly increases the risk of osteosarcoma (bone cancer); this is a common cancer in larger breeds with a poor prognosis
• increases the risk of splenic hemangiosarcoma by a factor of 2.2 and cardiac hemangiosarcoma by a factor of >5; this is a common cancer and major cause of death in some breeds
• triples the risk of hypothyroidism
• increases the risk of obesity by a factor of 1.6-2, a common health problem in dogs with many associated health problems
• causes urinary “spay incontinence” in 4-20% of female dogs
• increases the risk of persistent or recurring urinary tract infections by a factor of 3-4
• increases the risk of recessed vulva, vaginal dermatitis, and vaginitis, especially for female dogs spayed before puberty
• doubles the small risk (<1%) of urinary tract tumors
• increases the risk of orthopedic disorders
• increases the risk of adverse reactions to vaccinations"
See what Larry S. Katz, PhD Associate Professor and Chair Animal Sciences Rutgers University had to say concerning spay neuter.
Full study with references in PDF format and found on the National Animal Interest Alliance (NAIA) website: http://www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/LongTermHealthEffectsOfSpayNeuterInDogs.pdf
Summary of bullet and talking points from the easy to read and understand 12 page study of Long Term Health Effects of Spay Neuter in Dogs ...
"An objective reading of the veterinary medical literature reveals a complex situation with respect to the long-term health risks and benefits associated with spay/neuter in dogs. The evidence shows that spay/neuter correlates with both positive AND adverse health effects in dogs. It also suggests how much we really do not yet understand about this subject.
On balance, it appears that no compelling case can be made for neutering most male dogs, especially immature male dogs, in order to prevent future health problems. The number of health problems associated with neutering may exceed the associated health benefits in most cases.
On the positive side, neutering male dogs
• eliminates the small risk (probably <1%) of dying from testicular cancer
• reduces the risk of non-cancerous prostate disorders
• reduces the risk of perianal fistulas
• may possibly reduce the risk of diabetes (data inconclusive)
On the negative side, neutering male dogs
• if done before 1 year of age, significantly increases the risk of osteosarcoma (bone cancer); this is a common cancer in medium/large and larger breeds with a poor prognosis.
• increases the risk of cardiac hemangiosarcoma by a factor of 1.6
• triples the risk of hypothyroidism
• increases the risk of progressive geriatric cognitive impairment
• triples the risk of obesity, a common health problem in dogs with many associated health problems
• quadruples the small risk (<0.6%) of prostate cancer
• doubles the small risk (<1%) of urinary tract cancers
• increases the risk of orthopedic disorders
• increases the risk of adverse reactions to vaccinations
For female dogs, the situation is more complex. The number of health benefits associated with spaying may exceed the associated health problems in some (not all) cases. On balance, whether spaying improves the odds of overall good health or degrades them probably depends on the age of the female dog and the relative risk of various diseases in the different breeds.
On the positive side, spaying female dogs
• if done before 2.5 years of age, greatly reduces the risk of mammary tumors, the most common malignant tumors in female dogs
• nearly eliminates the risk of pyometra, which otherwise would affect about 23% of intact female dogs; pyometra kills about 1% of intact female dogs
• reduces the risk of perianal fistulas
• removes the very small risk (≤0.5%) from uterine, cervical, and ovarian tumors
On the negative side, spaying female dogs
• if done before 1 year of age, significantly increases the risk of osteosarcoma (bone cancer); this is a common cancer in larger breeds with a poor prognosis
• increases the risk of splenic hemangiosarcoma by a factor of 2.2 and cardiac hemangiosarcoma by a factor of >5; this is a common cancer and major cause of death in some breeds
• triples the risk of hypothyroidism
• increases the risk of obesity by a factor of 1.6-2, a common health problem in dogs with many associated health problems
• causes urinary “spay incontinence” in 4-20% of female dogs
• increases the risk of persistent or recurring urinary tract infections by a factor of 3-4
• increases the risk of recessed vulva, vaginal dermatitis, and vaginitis, especially for female dogs spayed before puberty
• doubles the small risk (<1%) of urinary tract tumors
• increases the risk of orthopedic disorders
• increases the risk of adverse reactions to vaccinations"
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Disclaimer: I have no formal animal care training. I was a moderator on a popular American Pit Bull Terrier (APBT) dog forum for a number of years. I've seen literally dozens of discussions concerning spay/neuter, among almost everything under the sun concerning dogs. Discussions involving not only pet owners but vet technicians as well as vets themselves. Many of whom are still on my (very small) FB friends list. And I've done a lot of reading online concerning the matter. And I have dogs that have had the procedures.
All dogs are individuals and should be evaluated /accessed as such. One of the problems today within the topic of pet health is spay and neuter. More times than none pet owners are told spay and neuter your pet, it’s the best option for them because of pet overpopulation, behavioral problems, and the opportunity for your pet to live a longer, healthier life. Most pet owners can't watch their pets 24x7 and spay/neuter is the best option for avoiding litter "accidents".
"Spay/neuter your pets" is the mantra ... "I can't train or control my dog's behavior" ... "Cut his nuts off."
Yet if you dive a little deeper you will find that there are associated risks with subjecting your companion to such a procedure. Possible complications such as bone deformations (especially if procedure preformed when very young), urinary incontinence, and even sickness like cancer.
Read the study I posted a link to in my previous post.
All dogs are individuals and should be evaluated /accessed as such. One of the problems today within the topic of pet health is spay and neuter. More times than none pet owners are told spay and neuter your pet, it’s the best option for them because of pet overpopulation, behavioral problems, and the opportunity for your pet to live a longer, healthier life. Most pet owners can't watch their pets 24x7 and spay/neuter is the best option for avoiding litter "accidents".
"Spay/neuter your pets" is the mantra ... "I can't train or control my dog's behavior" ... "Cut his nuts off."
Yet if you dive a little deeper you will find that there are associated risks with subjecting your companion to such a procedure. Possible complications such as bone deformations (especially if procedure preformed when very young), urinary incontinence, and even sickness like cancer.
Read the study I posted a link to in my previous post.
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Bottom line @coldgin96 is that the above dog posts are not intended to tell you what's best for Steel, or you and your family's situation. I simply wish to try and help you to be a better informed pet owner. If you have weighed the pros and cons, consulted with your vet, and feel it's best for everyone's circumstance to go ahead with the procedure, then by all means go for it. All dogs (and circumstances) are individuals and should be evaluated / accessed as such and I won't argue your decision. Just wanted to give you some things to think about. The Rutgers study is not just some made up numbers and observations.
For me, the MOST important factor in determining necessity of surgical procedures is the long term health benefits. Our pet companions are NEVER with us long enough and I want to keep my miscreants as long as possible without incurring or prolonging suffering.
On the other hand if your decision is based ENTIRELY on behavioral issues, my best suggestion is to join a popular and active Boxer forum (or two) and ask any questions you may have ... AND / OR ... seek help and advice from a local behavior specialist / trainer, but be prepared for likely the first thing out of their mouth ... cut his nuts off LOL.
Good Luck gin !!! And I only wish the very best for Steel
For me, the MOST important factor in determining necessity of surgical procedures is the long term health benefits. Our pet companions are NEVER with us long enough and I want to keep my miscreants as long as possible without incurring or prolonging suffering.
On the other hand if your decision is based ENTIRELY on behavioral issues, my best suggestion is to join a popular and active Boxer forum (or two) and ask any questions you may have ... AND / OR ... seek help and advice from a local behavior specialist / trainer, but be prepared for likely the first thing out of their mouth ... cut his nuts off LOL.
Good Luck gin !!! And I only wish the very best for Steel
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I'm fairly pro spray and neuter unless it's a show dog or other type of dog where like, it's highly trained and whatnot and the owners are around 24-7.
Course I worked for a long time on a reservation where there were roving bands of feral cats and deformed dogs. It wasn't even that they were really a MENACE. It was just sad and pathetic.
Course, I am one of those folks who like, believes in paying women who are addicted to substances to get an IUD and that's not even PERMANENT and it gets people up in arms. Trust me if you are homeless and chronically addicted to substances and most of the time, society doesn't need your infant. I'm sure there is a heartwarming story of a chronically addicted infant being lovingly adopted to become president someday (MAYBE TODAY! Look at Trump!) but trust me I assure you that is not the norm for your garden variety horribly addicted and premature infant..
OMG it's making me think of the Southpark episode the one where Cartman
He is the BEST character on the show although they are ALL great. But, he really makes you consider your unnamed impulses man. Like the one where he makes that kid eat his parents.
Yeah,. that one was uncomfortable they took it a little too far. And realized it.
Anna
Course I worked for a long time on a reservation where there were roving bands of feral cats and deformed dogs. It wasn't even that they were really a MENACE. It was just sad and pathetic.
Course, I am one of those folks who like, believes in paying women who are addicted to substances to get an IUD and that's not even PERMANENT and it gets people up in arms. Trust me if you are homeless and chronically addicted to substances and most of the time, society doesn't need your infant. I'm sure there is a heartwarming story of a chronically addicted infant being lovingly adopted to become president someday (MAYBE TODAY! Look at Trump!) but trust me I assure you that is not the norm for your garden variety horribly addicted and premature infant..
OMG it's making me think of the Southpark episode the one where Cartman
He is the BEST character on the show although they are ALL great. But, he really makes you consider your unnamed impulses man. Like the one where he makes that kid eat his parents.
Yeah,. that one was uncomfortable they took it a little too far. And realized it.
Anna
... most of these pictures were taken with my phone camera ...
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Do they have dog shows for mutts?
I love that you love your dogs like that, that's awesome. I applaud good pet owners.
Bronze they don't have "shows" but if your mutt is super smart they have obedience obstacle course type things. It's cooler than sitting around looking pretty if you ask me. I'm more into mutts though.
Anna
Bronze they don't have "shows" but if your mutt is super smart they have obedience obstacle course type things. It's cooler than sitting around looking pretty if you ask me. I'm more into mutts though.
Anna
Life's a beach ...
... but a fella needs a good dog or several
Most of my life and throughout most of the dogs I've owned, I never even had a camera. Besides a black Lab named Toby that I had as a young man with no camera ... this man dog Rowdy was my heart dog and the best damn dog I ever owned. He was a good'un. Find me again some day buddy boy.
... but a fella needs a good dog or several
Most of my life and throughout most of the dogs I've owned, I never even had a camera. Besides a black Lab named Toby that I had as a young man with no camera ... this man dog Rowdy was my heart dog and the best damn dog I ever owned. He was a good'un. Find me again some day buddy boy.
Umm, I already asked if we could keep them. The vet said they grind them up and put them in cat food.
It's not all just pretty show. Besides conformation and depending on the registry and breed, registry sanctioned events might also offer lure coursing, weight pull, tug of war, wall climb, treadmill races, as well as other various agility events. And then there's field trials and dock diving, barn hunts and such.
Just because a dog is purebred and registered doesn't mean it can't be a working dog.
EDIT: And @stols001, they do in fact have "shows" for mutts. They are really called "Fun Shows". For example, here was a Fun Show for "pit bull" mutts or ABPT's that may have been spayed / neutered and no longer qualified for registry sanctioned events. Of course, purebred and registered dogs were also there ... just for fun.
... and an interesting broad overview of muscle groups worked during various dog activities for those who might be interested ...
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Heheh not all of them. My son's adopted (formerly owned by a homeless person) had doggy PTSD so bad, I was pretty sure she would et someone.
She is doing so GOOD though. At first at the dog park, we had to muzzle her. You'd be surprised at how many great pet owners were like, "Oh yea, I remember that part." LOL. Lots of dogs to adopt in AZ.
She is like super good now. Except with kids. She really wants to eat all of them. I mean she doesn't but she DOES make it clear she would prefer it. LOL she has come a long way!
Anna
She is doing so GOOD though. At first at the dog park, we had to muzzle her. You'd be surprised at how many great pet owners were like, "Oh yea, I remember that part." LOL. Lots of dogs to adopt in AZ.
She is like super good now. Except with kids. She really wants to eat all of them. I mean she doesn't but she DOES make it clear she would prefer it. LOL she has come a long way!
Anna
Wow. Just wow. THANK YOU! Thank you everybody for taking the time and putting in the effort in all this information! It's great, really great and I can't properly thank you enough!
I can't type so typing out responses that long would take me HOURS!
I just printed the PDF info and gave it to Jackie. She sat down with it and is reading it now. In fact, she's telling Steel to leave her alone because she's trying to read something! Lol She asked if I read it and I told her, no but I have read the summery of pros and cons on ECF and she should look through the opinions. I'll email her a link to our page where the conversation got started. She asked me if I wanted to still go through with it or not and I told her it was up to her as she's the one who spends more time training, playing, taking him to the beach and on walks.
Wow, she just now said, "maybe not."
I just stopped typing for a while and we were having a discussion about it. She doesn't want to go through with it now. We are definitely getting him microchipped, though. Lol
I told her to ask Denise what her opinion is. Denise is the lady with Steel's family (Mom, Dad, Grandma, Twin Sister) who sold him to us and is helping her train him. Train him meaning when time permits for both ladies. Steel's Dad, Jake, still has his balls, is less than 2 years old and is the most docile dog I've ever met in my life.
I also told her to ask the vet when she takes him in next week for his monthly weigh in and flea and tick pills. She said, "Yeah right! Of course she's going to say yes because it's money in their pockets ($267). My point is, you don't have to listen if she says yes, but if she says she wouldn't do it, then you know we shouldn't.
We have some discussing to do, that's for sure.
We already know no to cooked bones. Jackie refuses to give him raw meat so that's that.
Ok, maybe a 8oz steak is to much. Jackie will be relieved to hear me say that. We used to bring him home a double cheeseburger (we got the idea from Denise, it's only about every 3 months or so) from McDonald's as a treat when we were gone all day but he threw the last one up so we are going to go back to the Chicken McNuggets Happy Meal. Lol
We do give him human food but only a little (bites) when he's being good and only after we all done eating so he doesn't forget his place. By being good, I mean laying down and not looking at us while we are eating. It's kind of funny because for a while he would come in the room and lay down with his back to us while we were eating. He's so funny...
Jackie shares a banana with him every morning. I will sometimes share a apple or orange with him. He also likes raw vegetables, especially carrots.
We love our Puppy Dog and he loves us!
I can't type so typing out responses that long would take me HOURS!
I just printed the PDF info and gave it to Jackie. She sat down with it and is reading it now. In fact, she's telling Steel to leave her alone because she's trying to read something! Lol She asked if I read it and I told her, no but I have read the summery of pros and cons on ECF and she should look through the opinions. I'll email her a link to our page where the conversation got started. She asked me if I wanted to still go through with it or not and I told her it was up to her as she's the one who spends more time training, playing, taking him to the beach and on walks.
Wow, she just now said, "maybe not."
I just stopped typing for a while and we were having a discussion about it. She doesn't want to go through with it now. We are definitely getting him microchipped, though. Lol
I told her to ask Denise what her opinion is. Denise is the lady with Steel's family (Mom, Dad, Grandma, Twin Sister) who sold him to us and is helping her train him. Train him meaning when time permits for both ladies. Steel's Dad, Jake, still has his balls, is less than 2 years old and is the most docile dog I've ever met in my life.
I also told her to ask the vet when she takes him in next week for his monthly weigh in and flea and tick pills. She said, "Yeah right! Of course she's going to say yes because it's money in their pockets ($267). My point is, you don't have to listen if she says yes, but if she says she wouldn't do it, then you know we shouldn't.
We have some discussing to do, that's for sure.
We already know no to cooked bones. Jackie refuses to give him raw meat so that's that.
Ok, maybe a 8oz steak is to much. Jackie will be relieved to hear me say that. We used to bring him home a double cheeseburger (we got the idea from Denise, it's only about every 3 months or so) from McDonald's as a treat when we were gone all day but he threw the last one up so we are going to go back to the Chicken McNuggets Happy Meal. Lol
We do give him human food but only a little (bites) when he's being good and only after we all done eating so he doesn't forget his place. By being good, I mean laying down and not looking at us while we are eating. It's kind of funny because for a while he would come in the room and lay down with his back to us while we were eating. He's so funny...
Jackie shares a banana with him every morning. I will sometimes share a apple or orange with him. He also likes raw vegetables, especially carrots.
We love our Puppy Dog and he loves us!
Sounds good @coldgin96. Hope I'm not sorry I responded LOL. I did wait a couple of days. I knew if I got started I'd have to lay it all out and post some facts, opinions and maybe TMI that might monopolize an off topic conversation. Back to our regularly scheduled show maybe HA
OH ... and yes, my miscreants do get a tiny TINY taste of my cooking from time to time ... as well as many dog appropriate treats.
OH ... and yes, my miscreants do get a tiny TINY taste of my cooking from time to time ... as well as many dog appropriate treats.
Yeah, I really was never a fan of neutering him in the first place. It's just that, we live in town and our yard is not fenced in. I guess we wanted to give him one less reason to wander. I don't know. Seems awfully evasive and, let's face it, we all know what we are actually talking about. Jackie asked me why I didn't want to do it in the first place. I responded, "I know this is hard for you to understand, but I wouldn't want to lose mine."
Losing yours and him loosing his isn't the same thing. It's difficult, but don't humanize your dogs. It's called anthropomorphism. And if you can't maintain positive control of your pet(s) at ALL times, the BEST thing to do is spay/neuter to avoid any mistake accident litters that may only contribute to already taxed and burdened shelter and rescue over population.
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f ' n commie cats...Umm, I already asked if we could keep them. The vet said they grind them up and put them in cat food.
its all a conspiracy by them!!!
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