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Chuckctv

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im not scientist, but for the guys trying out new ideas with new materials, make sure when you post it, that your pointing out that you DO or DONOT know if the heated up Atty wont cause any harmful fumes to start up. You CANT use nylon rope(or I dont think you can) as a filler, as nylon when heated produces a toxic fume, which means were going the wrong way on the switch from anologs to vaping, if were going to smoke toxic fumes..

just my 2 cents..
 

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im not scientist, but for the guys trying out new ideas with new materials, make sure when you post it, that your pointing out that you DO or DONOT know if the heated up Atty wont cause any harmful fumes to start up. You CANT use nylon rope(or I dont think you can) as a filler, as nylon when heated produces a toxic fume, which means were going the wrong way on the switch from anologs to vaping, if were going to smoke toxic fumes..

just my 2 cents..

Agreed. I am not a scientist either. I do know that this PTB material was used way before I got here but I am by no means saying that this material will not be harmful for you. What I can do is let people know what my experiences are. From my experience using this mod I feel that stray material is drawn away from the coils in the atomizer. I feel this mod does not have frays that are loose towards the coils due to the fact that the top is folded and not trimmed on the top. Because of the fact that it is rolled, I feel it forces the material to surround the atomizer bridge instead of finding its way to the coil. I may be totally wrong, I dont actually see what is going on inside the atomizer.

Another thing I would suggest is not to use this mod without juice in the cart or if you feel that the cart is empty. Again, I am not a scientist, but I would assume that the PTB material would "burn" easier when it is dry as opposed to when it is wet. (boiling water in paper cup) Fortunately the top of this mod collects liquid on the folds that are the closest to the heating element minimizing exposure of dry material to the coil. When I used the polyfil the remaining juice was on the bottom of the cart leaving dry material closest to the atomizer causing a dry burnt taste. I would constantly have to top off a few drops. But... That is just my experience.

Is this the perfect mod or the perfect or safest material to use? Probably not. But I have used many things that I was not happy with including sponges etc.

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Right now I'm not for sure what's in the Salem I'm smoking, much less the materials in the factory carts I have or the pre-loaded juice coming out of China. I've tried to find out (to the best of my ability) what PTB's are made of, as well as poly pillow stuffing and ShamWow material. Opinions vary as to what is really in some of this stuff, but for now my standard is: If it's probably safe to eat, it's probably safe to inhale. Needless to say if you're going to stuff your own material in a cart and fire it up, you should probably do your own research first.

So far I haven't had any problems with any PTB material burning or melting, and no hint of a taste change when the cart starts to dry out (except the loss of whatever flavor I'm using). You'd think that some amount of testing was done before any of these products were brought to market. That leaves me to believe that either 1) polyfill was the best material found for the job, or 2) other materials worked better, but since the idea was to get you to buy pre-filled replacement carts polyfill was chosen because it would wear out in fairly short order.

Finding an absorbant material that wicks well is the Holy Grail for e-Cigs. I don't think the perfect material has been found yet, but I'm glad people are out there trying to find it.
 

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I agree, a sponge like material that surrounds the atomizer wick, that wont burn and is reusable, and helps keep the liquid(most) at the end..... just like you said"""HOLLY GRAIL"".

I guess who ever finds it first not only gets the " Atta-boy Award"; but if smart; would come up with a way to market the new cartridges, as ALL e-cig smokers would want that...

**Wow, off to the hardware store, ......I mean .... naaa- off to the hardware store. :)
 

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I have spent equivalent to at least 3 weeks work of e-juice on materials that I made one cut and found out it was not going to work (Its worse when you think of how much e-juice you could have had.)

One of the first deal breakers on material is "crumbs." If I make a cut in it and there is any small pieces falling off of it, thats it, NEXT! There is no way I want to expose myself to tiny burning little pieces of whatever it is. (unless its menthol crystals)

Of course I also consider the original intent for the material. Yes blue foam is meant to filter water for a fish tank but it was not meant to be exposed to temperatures too high for your house hold pet fish, I could be wrong it may be ok but thats not what it was made for. PTB is meant to be exposed to boiling hot water that is being prepared for the consumption of humans. If i remember correctly the temperature of boiling water is the same as the steam that is coming out of it.

An other thing would be, "How easy is it to fold roll and keep its shape?" it would have to be flexible enough that I can fold and roll it but I need to be able to kinda stand on its own.

If it passes those I would move to wicking. Now here is where it gets tricky. When I first started vaping I thought that the material I needed was one that was like the wick of a liquid candle. I found a material that when I dipped one end of it into a small glass of grape juice, the juice would suck upward through the material. In my experience that did not equate to a good vape experience. Long story short, I need a material that will hold the liquid but not travel the way a wick does. In the experiment that I am referring to, the liquid was easily sucked up but it did not give it up.

So far PTB, especially the Lipton brand is the only one that does all that for me. Is it fireproof? No, but Im not setting it on file. I am placing it very close to a heating eliment but I am also protecting it with the juice that I will be vaping.

Am I done looking for material? No, every store I go to I'm looking for something for my ecigs: cases, filler material, juice, whatever. But I will also stock up on Lipton PTB any chance I get because I know it works. I think the reason PTB is different materials in the UK than the US is complaints that the plastic is not biodegradable and does not go well in a compost pile like traditional teabag material. (I wonder if people that compost teabags remove the staples) I think the US is getting all the plastic ones that they dont want in the UK... until it runs out. I dont know if Lipton has stopped making them nor do I know if they plan on it. But for me, if I start stocking up in preparation for an e-cig ban, I will have plenty of PTB first.

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Yeah I have a thought:

I'm going to Food Lion tomorrow and buy all the PTB they have left on the shelf!

Seriously, I didn't know they were changing the bag material. :eek:

I dont know that they are are not. But I dont know any other reason that the UK, who Im guessing drinks more hot tea than we do, cannot find the plastic teabags. just a thought.
 

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I dont know that they are are not. But I dont know any other reason that the UK, who Im guessing drinks more hot tea than we do, cannot find the plastic teabags. just a thought.

Well I'm not taking any chances. The store only had about 6 boxes left when I was there the other day and they're only like $3 a box. Cheap insurance. ;)
 

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Well I'm not taking any chances. The store only had about 6 boxes left when I was there the other day and they're only like $3 a box. Cheap insurance. ;)

Im not panicking yet since my local Walmart had a bunch...

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But at least one flavor was on clearance at Target which usually means, according to the cashier, they are no longer going to carry it. and that was 3 weeks ago.
 

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Ok so I have been using the rho mod for, i dunno, a day and a half? two days? The problem that I have is that the ptb has no spring back after it gets wet from the juice. I pulled it out and the bottom where it is frayed has turned under. So once again I keep having to pull it back up. So I decided to try it without the frayed. I double folded and loosely rolled it, but I didn't cut the bottom and tried it like that. I found that the atomizer pushes the center down (of course) but instead of just being pushed down, it folds over. I took the ptb out and made a cut in the center of the bottom in the shape of a triangle. So now when the center gets pushed down it has a little room to move and it doesn't fold over. The bottom of the ptb ends up sitting flush with the bottom of the cart. I am using it now and it seems to be working pretty well. I guess time will tell if it can hold up.

Sorry this is so long.
 

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Ok so I have been using the rho mod for, i dunno, a day and a half? two days? The problem that I have is that the ptb has no spring back after it gets wet from the juice. I pulled it out and the bottom where it is frayed has turned under. So once again I keep having to pull it back up. So I decided to try it without the frayed. I double folded and loosely rolled it, but I didn't cut the bottom and tried it like that. I found that the atomizer pushes the center down (of course) but instead of just being pushed down, it folds over. I took the ptb out and made a cut in the center of the bottom in the shape of a triangle. So now when the center gets pushed down it has a little room to move and it doesn't fold over. The bottom of the ptb ends up sitting flush with the bottom of the cart. I am using it now and it seems to be working pretty well. I guess time will tell if it can hold up.

Sorry this is so long.

long? have you seen some of my posts? I think that is a great idea. I have had a couple of mods that dont have frays too. At first I was worried that the liquid would not move to the top without the frays but i think that because the top is folded the bottom spirals separate enough where the liquid still moves up.

Please let us know how it works for you.
still leaking?

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One observation I've made about the factory 901 carts I have is that the poly fill allows the atty to push down into the material easily for better contact. It's also probably why they use a drop of adhesive to hold the filler in the cart - otherwise the atty might snag it and pull it up when you take the mouthpiece off. That's a problem sometimes for me with the PTB... it gets caught on the atty and comes up with the mouthpiece. If I don't catch it soon enough the PTB unrolls and it's a little messy getting it back in.

I'm still having some leakage problems with the PTB - no matter hold I fold it. Still playing around with the ShamWow material (which doesn't leak at ALL, btw..), and I'm going to pick up some poly today so I can play with it over the weekend. Science marches on! (hehe)
 
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My first post on these forums is going to be to thank the OP and the rest of the community that have done the research on the PTB mod.

I started vaping about 2 weeks ago and haven't touched an analog since. My problem was that I was having to constantly top off my carts after 2-3 good hits. I've vaped a number of different juices but found the TW 36mg menthol to be the one I like the most. Problem is, to get that good consistant throat hit I would need to constantly top off my cart. I was getting very frustrated with the whole ordeal and came here looking for some solutions.

I tried my first PTB fill using the video this morning and I can't begin to express how happy I am with the mod. I've been vaping from the filled cart for about 30 minutes now, pulling every 2-3 minutes, and have had consistently good vapor and throat hit, all without a top off. I'm going to keep going on the cart and see how far it takes me. My guess is that I have been burning through juice too quickly from all the topping off.

I guess the stock material in my 510 carts just isn't ideal for someone who wants consistant throat hit and flavor.

My thanks again to everyone! I'd be lost without these forums!
 

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Welcome to the forum, IndyColtsfan.

Don't know if Rhoneil was the first, but he certainly has devoted a lot of time and effort to the cause. His mods have kept PTB in the fore-front of popular filling material.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go buy some Pampers and cut them into small pieces. :p
 

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Welcome to the forum, IndyColtsfan.

Don't know if Rhoneil was the first, but he certainly has devoted a lot of time and effort to the cause. His mods have kept PTB in the fore-front of popular filling material.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go buy some Pampers and cut them into small pieces. :p

YES YES YES, Welcome IndyColtsfan. I hope this stuff helps and even inspires to look for something, or think of something better to use or a better method. ECF sure has inspired me.

NO NO NO, I am not the first. Credit to the ones that have paved the path.
--credit--

Please keep us informed as to what works and what does not.

"Pampers" I have actually had them in my had from the drug store thinking of using it as filler. Not so much the super absorbent material but the lining that allows liquid to pass through. It does not quite fit my criteria for 'material intent' though. haha

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Rhoneil I just got my first order from Heaven-Gifts this morning. I was a little worried about the "direct-from-China" thing, but the prices were so cheap I couldn't resist. Placed the order on 9/11 and it arrived this morning... pretty darn fast. I now have a new M401/402/403 to play with, along with a TON of parts for my 901. Even got a USB pass-through for both cigs...
 

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long? have you seen some of my posts? I think that is a great idea. I have had a couple of mods that dont have frays too. At first I was worried that the liquid would not move to the top without the frays but i think that because the top is folded the bottom spirals separate enough where the liquid still moves up.

Please let us know how it works for you.
still leaking?

rho

I haven't had any problems leaking at all. (not that I can remember) Actually, since I have switched to the rho mod, I haven't ended up with juice in my mouth at all and only a little on the side of my 901. It is awesome. So far the changes I have made are working wonderfully. I still have a bad habit of taking my cart off and checking it every couple of minutes or so, but I think that is habit from using the polyfill. So Thumbs up!:thumb:
 

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I haven't had any problems leaking at all. (not that I can remember) Actually, since I have switched to the rho mod, I haven't ended up with juice in my mouth at all and only a little on the side of my 901. It is awesome. So far the changes I have made are working wonderfully. I still have a bad habit of taking my cart off and checking it every couple of minutes or so, but I think that is habit from using the polyfill. So Thumbs up!:thumb:

Im glad its working for you.... Every time I see you Im reminded of the lead singer of Fireflight.

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