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    Have you decided to get a scale.
    For giggles I ordered an SC-501-A and an LB 501. IF they work down to the drop thats great. Otherwise I will look more at higher end scales to meet my needs. Just looking to be able to reproduce the same flavor consistently. I will likely still use volume for general testing as I find it more enjoyable.
     
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    For giggles I ordered an SC 501-1 and an LB 501. IF they work down to the drop thats great. Otherwise I will look more at higher end scales to meet my needs. Just looking to be able to reproduce the same flavor consistently. I will likely still use volume for general testing as I find it more enjoyable.
    Best of luck to you.:)
     

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    Don't most of the .001 scales have a max capacity of only 50g? They get their low weight accuracy at the expense of capacity?
    I don't know about "most" but there are scales with a resolution down to 0.001 that can handle 500g. Laboratory Analytical Balance 500g/0.001g

    However, there are low cost 100g/0.001g scales. Amazon has them as low as $25.
    I just weighed 3 different clean 30ml glass bottles (from GBO) and got weights between 41.24g - 42.75g on my el cheapo scale. So if someone was using similar bottles, there would only be 7g of weight left, before it went over the max capacity of the scale. Am I off here?
    Yes, that's correct for a max 50g 0.001 scale.

    If you used a 100g/0.001g scale you could do one 30ml mix (flavorings plus VG/PG and nic).

    I just weighed one of my 30ml mixes (glass bottle)... it's 83.24g. So yes, 1 30ml mix in a glass bottle will work fine on a 100g/0.001g scale.
     

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    No I wouldn't have asked you to do it again :lol:.
    You would have. ;)


    Perhaps they say that as a disclaimer?
    Or perhaps AWS has learned weight can vary from SC LB-501 to 501??? That would make sense to me because they aren't guaranteeing scientific lab-like results with the 501???


    If it were true though do you see how not reading anything below .05 would concern me when your drops were .03 to .02?
    Yes, I fully understand.
     

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    I don't know about "most" but there are scales with a resolution down to 0.001 that can handle 500g. Laboratory Analytical Balance 500g/0.001g

    However, there are low cost 100g/0.001g scales. Amazon has them as low as $25.

    Yes, that's correct for a max 50g 0.001 scale.

    If you used a 100g/0.001g scale you could do one 30ml mix (flavorings plus VG/PG and nic).

    I just weighed one of my 30ml mixes (glass bottle)... it's 83.24g. So yes, 1 30ml mix in a glass bottle will work fine on a 100g/0.001g scale.

    Ok, now that that is settled, I want to know the accuracy of said table level. Was it a bubble level, or a laser level?

    (I'm gonna' have a big guy on a horse huntin' me down) :D
     

    Chiisaiinu

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    I always questioned no electronics / perfectly level thing for scales. Years ago I worked in a genetics lab and they said the same and confiscated pagers(yep it was that long ago) but I wonder how much EM(Electro Magnetic) interference really has on scales. Same with being perfectly level, if your familiar with how tractor pull races go its kind of the same logic unless I am missing something. A single weight is used but gets heavier as its thrown more and more off balance. Unless your table is wonky, even if its slightly off I wouldn't think it would alter a scale. Would be interesting to know how far of a tilt it would take to throw a scale off.
     

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    Sure, sure which is why I was inquiring about scales. As close as I try to get to dead on the line of a syringe as you say its not really accurate, more of ballpark. Syringe's I would guess aren't that meticulous. I personally don't care about cost as long as I am happy with the results. So I am thinking maybe get a scale that goes to .001 even if it's a bit more.

    It wasn't the lack of accuracy that made me switch from syringes to weight. It was laziness. I got sick of cleaning all those little syringes after each mix.

    I have seen several .001 -100g~ scales for around $120, Honestly unless you making big batches 500g is kind of overkill unless I am unaware of something.


    No I wouldn't have asked you to do it again :lol:. My concern is if drops didnt register at all. As the weights you have said for that flavoring are sub what the manufacturer told me it would read. If it's reading the droplets then that's great. Perhaps they say that as a disclaimer? If it were true though do you see how not reading anything below .05 would concern me when your drops were .03 to .02?

    I don't know about "most" but there are scales with a resolution down to 0.001 that can handle 500g. Laboratory Analytical Balance 500g/0.001g

    However, there are low cost 100g/0.001g scales. Amazon has them as low as $25.

    Yes, that's correct for a max 50g 0.001 scale.

    If you used a 100g/0.001g scale you could do one 30ml mix (flavorings plus VG/PG and nic).

    I just weighed one of my 30ml mixes (glass bottle)... it's 83.24g. So yes, 1 30ml mix in a glass bottle will work fine on a 100g/0.001g scale.

    SMT, you kind of pointed out what I was going to mention. I have at least two or three recipes that I always keep on hand and mix 90ml in a glass bottle and that would be too heavy for a 100g scale.
     

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    For giggles I ordered an SC 501-1 and an LB 501. IF they work down to the drop thats great. Otherwise I will look more at higher end scales to meet my needs. Just looking to be able to reproduce the same flavor consistently. I will likely still use volume for general testing as I find it more enjoyable.

    I'll be curious to hear your thoughts on them. If you end up getting something different for a good price then please report back and let us know what it is.
     

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    For giggles I ordered an SC 501-1
    :rolleyes: huh??? SC-501-1 o_O ;) :D

    Just bear in mind with your LB-501 that when you add 1 drop of a flavor it isn't going to register immediately. It can take several seconds for that drop to register. And NO... I'm not going to time how long it takes next. :lol:

    There have been a few times where I've had to remove the bottle from the scale, let it zero (no tare), and put the bottle back on for certain single drop flavors to register. In the end, they register on my 501.

    You want your scale to be on a level surface. If you breathe heavy do not do it near the scale as the 501 will register a single breath as a weight. You'll see when you get it.

    Some people who have the 501 also mention not having a ceiling fan on when mixing, as the scale will also register that airflow. Same thing applies to not mixing near a regular tabletop fan or air conditioner.

    I hope you like the 501 and it performs well for you. :)
     

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    :rolleyes: huh??? SC-501-1 o_O ;) :D

    Just bear in mind with your LB-501 that when you add 1 drop of a flavor it isn't going to register immediately. It can take several seconds for that drop to register. And NO... I'm not going to time how long it takes next. :lol:

    There have been a few times where I've had to remove the bottle from the scale, let it zero (no tare), and put the bottle back on for certain single drop flavors to register. In the end, they register on my 501.

    You want your scale to be on a level surface. If you breathe heavy do not do it near the scale as the 501 will register a single breath as a weight. You'll see when you get it.

    Some people who have the 501 also mention not having a ceiling fan on when mixing, as the scale will also register that airflow. Same thing applies to not mixing near a regular tabletop fan or air conditioner.

    I hope you like the 501 and it performs well for you. :)
    SC-501-A sorry not 501-1. I could definitely see ceiling fan or breathing putting more then .01g of pressure so will keep that in mind.
     

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    Ok, now that that is settled, I want to know the accuracy of said table level. Was it a bubble level, or a laser level?

    (I'm gonna' have a big guy on a horse huntin' me down) :D
    I already went out horseback riding early this morning and I'm not a big guy at all. :D

    Many years ago my Ukrainian father in law, who was a master carpenter, had one made for me. Universal Level Co. in Fredonia, Wisconsin made it complete with my name engraved on a little plaque.

    It's a Mahogany "IB" Series I-Beam Levels (A); 48" Mahogany I-Beam Level with 6 Clear Vials. They make very high quality levels.

    Here she is...
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    That is an awesome level.

    I already went out horseback riding early this morning and I'm not a big guy at all. :D

    Many years ago my Ukrainian father in law, who was a master carpenter, had one made for me. Universal Level Co. in Fredonia, Wisconsin made it complete with my name engraved on a little plaque.

    It's a Mahogany "IB" Series I-Beam Levels (A); 48" Mahogany I-Beam Level with 6 Clear Vials. They make very high quality levels.

    Here she is...
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    That is an awesome level.
    Thanks! My father in law was da Man.

    At my home back in the city we took 1/2 of our basement and built a recording / rehearsal studio. My FIL, my wife, one of my buddies and I did all the work. Her dad built quite a few recording studios, and tons of other things, in his day. My buddies dad was a master electrician and together we did all the AC wiring. No noise, buzzes or any of that, all isolated from the lighting.

    The studio is very soundproofed. We've had several full band rehearsals that went well into the wee hours and not one complaint from neighbors in 27 years.
     

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    I didnt know any other weight other then the nickel from back in the day when I was with the wrong crowd. Interesting to know the weights of others. Although 20+ years ago I was told not to trust the weight of quarters or dimes because the metals used sometimes changed. Not sure if that still holds true.

    Probably. Just use new coins :)
     

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    One more day left then the boss is back from California. I’ve actually gotten quite used to him being gone. It’ll be strange to have him back full time now since the wife will be coming back for the warmer months.
     

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    One more day left then the boss is back from California. I’ve actually gotten quite used to him being gone. It’ll be strange to have him back full time now since the wife will be coming back for the warmer months.
    When does she come back?
     

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    When does she come back?

    As far as I know she’s returning with him tomorrow night. I suppose they’ll go ahead and ship her car back here since he shipped it out there before.
     

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    As far as I know she’s returning with him tomorrow night. I suppose they’ll go ahead and ship her car back here since he shipped it out there before.
    Oh, that’s soon. Bet your boss will be happy.
     

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