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[gloopdegurp]

I don't have cotton candy either, I've thought about trying marshmallow as a sub. I'm not into really sweet juice.

Like Fran suggested, you can probably just skip the EM.

From things I've read about EM, if it is at under 1% in the recipes then it might just be there to add a fuller mouthfeel, a few % might be to subdue any harshness from other flavors but could cause unwanted muting, and used high would probably be to get a cotton candy flavor.

 

[classwife]

Goooood morning people !

 

[FranC]

Goooood morning people !

Gooood morning back to you, Classy girl.

 

[ShowMeTwice]

not sure which but any good vanilla custard recipe would work, if I don’t use Ethyl Maltol what do I sweeten it with…. Sucralose?

From my experience, custards are sweet "as is". Adding a "true" sweetener would make it, ummm, sickly sweet (like yuck).

Many vanillas are somewhat sweet "as is".

To start, I would suggest trying a vanilla/custard mix minus any sweetener. Give it a solid month to steep.

EM (Ethyl Maltol) is not a sweetener. It will not sweeten a mix. If you want a sweetener then buy a 10ml of CAP Super Sweet.

Here is one of my vanilla/custard mixes.

FA Custard Premium 2.5%
INW Shisha Vanilla 1.75%
FA Madagascar (Vanilla Classic) 1.5%
WF Vanilla Cream Extra 1%

That mix has a natural, yet pleasing, sweetness due to the ingredients used in each flavor. The custard sits out front. The vanillas make themselves known.

 

[ShowMeTwice]

I have found a few recipes that piqued my interest. They call for ethyl maltol, which I don't have. Are there any subs, can I just leave it out, or order some?

I would just leave the EM out. EM can cause more problems in a mix than it's worth. IMHO, it's best use in a mix is to round off sharp flavor notes.

Example: Some peach flavors, when used at higher percents, are sharp. Using 0.5% EM will reduce the peach sharp notes.

While some use EM to add body and moistness, there are superior ways to achieve the same. Nearly any cream will add body, moistness and mouthfeel.

If you want to sweeten those mixes then consider adding a marshmallow (0.5% - 1%). Some creams will also sweeten a mix.

 

[ShowMeTwice]

good morning people............

 

[Kat56]

Good morning everybody

 

[FranC]

good morning people............

Good morning to you, SMT.

 

[FranC]

Good morning everybody

Good morning to you, Kat.

 

[FranC]

Finally seeing the sun today which is nice.

 

[hittman]

Good morning, hitt.

I woke too early and went back to bed. However, I got up the second time much later than I wanted to so probably should have just stayed up.

 

[dennism]

From my experience, custards are sweet "as is". Adding a "true" sweetener would make it, ummm, sickly sweet (like yuck).

Many vanillas are somewhat sweet "as is".

To start, I would suggest trying a vanilla/custard mix minus any sweetener. Give it a solid month to steep.

EM (Ethyl Maltol) is not a sweetener. It will not sweeten a mix. If you want a sweetener then buy a 10ml of CAP Super Sweet.

Here is one of my vanilla/custard mixes.

FA Custard Premium 2.5%
INW Shisha Vanilla 1.75%
FA Madagascar (Vanilla Classic) 1.5%
WF Vanilla Cream Extra 1%

That mix has a natural, yet pleasing, sweetness due to the ingredients used in each flavor. The custard sits out front. The vanillas make themselves known.

I just checked and I have 12 different vanilla flavors, but not Madagascar vanilla.

 

[gloopdegurp]

I just checked and I have 12 different vanilla flavors, but not Madagascar vanilla.

SMT did an overview of some vanilla flavors here,

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perhaps this will help with choosing an alternate one.

 

[dennism]

SMT did an overview of some vanilla flavors here,

Random DIY mixing and More

So many threads get off topic so fast. It figured it would be hard to get a random topic thread off topic:lol: Soooo,I have a couple questions to start. Anyone mixing with plum flavor? I have INW Plum in my cart at BCF but I'm wondering about...

www.e-cigarette-forum.com

perhaps this will help with choosing an alternate one.

Thanks, not too much luck, going to order it on my next order.

 

[FranC]

I woke too early and went back to bed. However, I got up the second time much later than I wanted to so probably should have just stayed up.

Guess you got caught up on your sleep.

 

[gloopdegurp]

I didn't really have high expectations for it, but I'm enjoying this,

Magnum Pie (v1.0)

1.00% Cookie Crumble (CAP)
1.50% Croissant (SC) (WF)
1.00% Papaya (TPA)
2.00% Pineapple (INAWERA)
3.00% Sweet Mango (CAP)
1.00% Whipped Cream (SSA)

A buttery crust filled with tropical fruits topped off with a dollop of whipped cream.

I'm thinking about doing a revision or two to perhaps tone down the butter flavor a touch and maybe boost the fruits a little bit.
I could leave it alone and would be fairly content though.

 

[ShowMeTwice]

Sweeteners versus EM (Ethyl Maltol)

When it comes to DIY knowledge, Wayne of DIYorDIE clearly sits atop the pyramid with only a handful of other mixers. I've yet to come across anyone in DIY who rivals his expertise. His DIYorDIE website is the only resource of its kind on planet Earth. It is extensive!!!

A few weeks ago Wayne published an updated video covering sweeteners. It is very thorough in covering all the current sweeteners. It also discusses when one might want to use one in a mix, as well as, when one may not want to use one.



Once upon a time EM was erroneously classified as a sweetener. It never was a sweetener.

EM does not activate the sweetness receptors on the tongue. Sucralose is a sweetener that does activate the sweetness receptors on our tongues (it's beneficial).

However, there are exceptions ( ). EM when used with vanillin, or custard, or diacetyl --- "feels" --- like a sweetener. In many cases EM will make custards "seem" sweeter. EM does not sweeten a custard, a vanillin, or a diacetyl --- it simply "feels" that way.

Per how our sense of taste functions, not using a sweetener will only activate flavor through our nose. For some, that is desirable. Others may want more of the "full spectrum". The full spectrum functions via our human senses of taste and smell ( here ). Understanding how those work truly helps us in creating better DIY mixes.

Many flavors used in DIY already have EM or Maltol in their ingredients. Adding additional EM to a mix can then be detrimental. Especially when used over 0.5%.

Likewise, many flavors already contain some level of sweetness in their ingredients (fruits, creams, bakery etc. etc.).

Sweeteners are an additive. As with any additive, we always want to use the least amount needed to accomplish "a goal". The goal is in fully understanding the profile we want to create and how best to accomplish said goal.

Adding as little as 0.25% - 0.5% of a sucralose based sweetener will activate our full spectrum of sweetness receptors. As a result a mix will be "more alive".

Generally speaking, a small amount of a sweetener, 0.25% - 0.5%, will not make a mix inherently sweeter.

CAP Super Sweet is widely recognized as the de facto standard in DIY.


@Zazie can you add this to the Appendix of your blog. Please. TIA

 

[ShowMeTwice]

I just checked and I have 12 different vanilla flavors, but not Madagascar vanilla.

Subbing another vanilla will change the profile. But it will work.

 

[ShowMeTwice]

Magnum Pie (v1.0)

1.00% Cookie Crumble (CAP)
1.50% Croissant (SC) (WF)
1.00% Papaya (TPA)
2.00% Pineapple (INAWERA)
3.00% Sweet Mango (CAP)
1.00% Whipped Cream (SSA)

That looks tasty!!!

 

[gloopdegurp]

That looks tasty!!!

Thank you, SMT

I like the flavor that I'm getting from that fruit combo but kind of want a little more of it.
When I first started that tester, the butter note seemed a bit much but did seem to blend in better as I've worked my way through it. I still might lower it a touch and see how that works.
Perhaps I'll lower the Cookie Crumble 0.25 and add a drop of sweetener to see if it makes the fruits pop a little more before increasing any of those.