I would have to sub the Mango. I only have FA. Thanks for sharing!
Edit: I lied lol, I do have Cap or TFA too.
Edit: I lied lol, I do have Cap or TFA too.
One of the reasons migrating over to DIY was I had a problem with a lot of commercial juices, especially those with vanilla, creams and custards, tasting very bitter and even peppery in some cases. I have a sizable surplus of tasty sounding e-juice that I just cannot vape! Obviously not knowing what goes into a commercial mix I was unable to put my finger on it as to the root of my problem. Some of the juices I tried were extremely popular with no mention of bitter or pepper within user reviews. Even brought this up with a local mixer on one of their most popular juices where they made a fresh batch while I waited and the result was the same bitter, peppery gross taste. I keep going back to that juice hoping time will rectify with no luck.
Since trying my hand at DIY I have discovered the same – DaMomma’s RY4 Delight as an example contains 2 different creams and a Vanilla Custard. My sample has been steeping for 3 weeks and it has an extremally bitter taste. I have my doubts this will go away with any prolonged steeping. And this is not the only recipe that includes creams, custards that I have experienced bitterness/peppery with.
Yesterday I found a video that somewhat goes into detail as to the reasons why. 2 of the obvious reasons are too much flavouring and steep time. Logical explanations but I am following the recipes to a T, and with the more popular recipes, such as the DY4 Delight, you would assume someone would comment on a bitter taste should flavouring be an issue.
Another possibility that was mentioned in that video was that someone could be a supertaster. I have heard this term but never put much thought or research into it. But Wiki does describe it as an increased sensitivities to bitter tastes and does list a couple of foods that I just cannot consume. I always wrote that off as just not liking the food! I am not willing just yet to accept that I may be a so called supertaster, but curious if anyone has experienced the same or similar with creams and custards?
Since trying my hand at DIY I have discovered the same – DaMomma’s RY4 Delight as an example contains 2 different creams and a Vanilla Custard. My sample has been steeping for 3 weeks and it has an extremally bitter taste. I have my doubts this will go away with any prolonged steeping. And this is not the only recipe that includes creams, custards that I have experienced bitterness/peppery with.
Yesterday I found a video that somewhat goes into detail as to the reasons why. 2 of the obvious reasons are too much flavouring and steep time. Logical explanations but I am following the recipes to a T, and with the more popular recipes, such as the DY4 Delight, you would assume someone would comment on a bitter taste should flavouring be an issue.
Another possibility that was mentioned in that video was that someone could be a supertaster. I have heard this term but never put much thought or research into it. But Wiki does describe it as an increased sensitivities to bitter tastes and does list a couple of foods that I just cannot consume. I always wrote that off as just not liking the food! I am not willing just yet to accept that I may be a so called supertaster, but curious if anyone has experienced the same or similar with creams and custards?
@FranC i had to have a peek at the cheesecake with the mascarpone in it. The curiosity was killing me and even though it’s only been 2 days I cheated and snuck a few mls in an RDA.
Oh my god! Whatever I was vaping before posing as cheesecake has been thrown away! This tastes incredible! I can’t imagine how good it’ll be after a few weeks of steeping.
There is such a delicious tangy cheese taste especially on the exhale. I’ve never tasted anything like it. Now mind you I have no idea what mascarpone tastes like in real life but this is delicious!!
If anyone wants a fantastic cheesecake they have to try adding this to it!!
Oh my god! Whatever I was vaping before posing as cheesecake has been thrown away! This tastes incredible! I can’t imagine how good it’ll be after a few weeks of steeping.
There is such a delicious tangy cheese taste especially on the exhale. I’ve never tasted anything like it. Now mind you I have no idea what mascarpone tastes like in real life but this is delicious!!
If anyone wants a fantastic cheesecake they have to try adding this to it!!
Soooo glad you like it so much.
I've never had Mascarpone before either or Brie for that matter.
Yes, you nailed it for me. Except, I don't really get peppery but it is a taste I cannot describe and I almost barf at it. It is in most VBIC, milk and custards I have tried. I wish I could isolate it so I can avoid it in future purchases.
I do have a very sensitive smell/taste thing. I know I need to mix a bunch of sft's so I can attempt to isolate the flavor. I will work on that during the next few weeks.
Good to know that I am not alone and that I not making or have purchased poor mixes. Although I am sure that has played into effect on some occasions. Never thought of my taste to be sensitive, maybe more selective. But do know my smell is very sensitive.
With me it doesn’t happen with all creams and custards, but it can be quite intense sometimes, to the point where it literally tastes like raw pepper. Guess I am challenged at trying to find out what flavours I am most sensitive toward and either avoiding them, or using them at lower levels. The video does mention that perhaps fruit flavours maybe better suited to my sensitivities, which also poses a problem for I find many of them taste very artificial, chemical like. But haven’t tried my hand at fruit DIY so perhaps I’ll give that a go. Sucks cause so many recipes contain creams and custards! Here's the video if anyone is interested.
You're talking about this one, right?
Cap NY Cheesecake 4%
Cap Graham Cracker 1 1/2%
Mascarpone 1% (or a bit more)
Thanks so much for that video. I think that is exactly my problem, mainly those 4 flavors listed. Fruits on't bother me when kept simple. to avoid the chemical/artificial taste, I mainly use lemon sicily and fa/tfa strawberries.
I am not savvy or experienced enough to explain all the nuances of flavorings just yet. I have bought at least 500 different juices and tons of DIY flavorings. Out of the over 500 premixed ones, I can tolerate about 25 and only have 6 I really like. Only one pre-made is an adv that I could happily vape for the rest of my life. If only I could clone it, I have come somewhat close but not close enough. I will keep mixing, hopefully I will get it.
@NotSoMini pointed out a day or so ago that it is probably Butyric Acid that is causing what you describe. It is likely @Punk In Drublic is experiencing the same thing. Some flavor manufacturers are transparent about what their flavors contain and others are not. Butyric Acid replaces diketones in many cream, custard, VBIC, and vanilla flavors. It is also used in some fruits.
Question: If a recipe is created to produce a finished juice of, say, 3mgs/ml nic, do the flavor percentages need to be adjusted if one is looking for 10mgs/ml? If so, in what direction?
Vaping White Hummingbird. I do taste the Honeysuckle probably because other than FE Sweet Rice, all the other flavors are more of the creamy types plus I do not find Sweet Rice to be a very bold flavor which is what I would expect from rice. Honeysuckle for me is a very delicate flavor and nothing like anything I have had before. Because it is delicate I feel it could be bullied by more intense flavors. I get no perfume taste. Although I have had honeysuckle vines, I never sucked the nectar out of the flower as others have. From the little information I have read, TFA Honeysuckle is more like the scent of the flower rather than the nectar.
Yes, I saw that but since many of the flavors that disagree with me are not diketone free versions, I think it is the acetyl pyrazine (sp?). I wish I could describe that flavor I hate much more clearly.
No, when the nicotine mgs/ml is input into a calculator it will automatically adjust the PG based on the PG/VG ratio of your nic. The flavor percentages do not change.
So, I found the recipe for Triple C so I will need to buy more flavors so I can sft, I guess. This stuff is really tasty except for that back note I get on the exhale.
Triple C one shot by DIYorDie
Vendor Flavor 3% (CAP) Vanilla Custard 2.5% (TPA) Graham Cracker Clear 1.5% (CAP) French Vanilla 1.5% (TPA) Marshmallow 1.5% (FW) Cake (yellow) 2%
Triple C one shot by DIYorDie
Vendor Flavor 3% (CAP) Vanilla Custard 2.5% (TPA) Graham Cracker Clear 1.5% (CAP) French Vanilla 1.5% (TPA) Marshmallow 1.5% (FW) Cake (yellow) 2%
I am not a chemist however it could be Acetyl Propionyl which is buttery or cheesy found in custards as well as other flavors. Acetyl Pyrazine is more popcorn, corn chip like.
Butyric acid isn't only in diketone free versions. It has many uses in the flavor making. I am not an expert on the chemistry of it all but have read that butyric acid is naturally occurring in many fruits and even in the human body. The off tastes that you describe are most often associated with butyric acid. AP is probably not the problem since not as widely used as BA. It is usually used to bring out a nutty flavor.
IDK, I hope you figure it out.
Probably tried about 100 to 150 different commercial mixes with only a handful that I actually like. Not all taste bitter/peppery, many are sour as well where it should not be sour at all.
I seem to gravitate toward lemon and very sweet juices along with tobacco that does not have a cream, custard or vanilla as one of its primary flavours. Tried a few fruit flavours but as mentioned, many taste very chemical to me. Flavoured cough syrup like.
@PJReid – thanks for the tip, must have missed that post from @NotSoMini. Guess without knowing the actual ingredients within these flavours everything becomes somewhat of a gamble. Are there any companies that note Butyric Acid is not being used?
@Punk In Drublic - Maybe it's the Vanillin that's in many flavorings that gives you the "peppery" sensation. I pulled up the component list for TFA's Vanilla Bean Ice Cream (since VBIC was mentioned as a problem flavoring) and read the descriptions/notes on the ingredients. You didn't mention a brand, but TFA's website shows the component breakdown, so I checked it.
For the Vanillin it says: "vanilla, vanillin, sweet, creamy, spicy, phenolic and milky". Maybe the "spicy" is what's "peppery" to you? There's a HUGE list of their flavorings that also contain Vanillin.
For the Vanillin it says: "vanilla, vanillin, sweet, creamy, spicy, phenolic and milky". Maybe the "spicy" is what's "peppery" to you? There's a HUGE list of their flavorings that also contain Vanillin.
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