I have both TFA graham cracker clear and FA Graham Crust. If I was making that recipe I would start the FA at 2%-2.75%, IMO that's it's sweet spot. It could be pushed to 3-4% if needed. Personally, I wouldn't take it any higher than that. I don't know if the recipe is in @Zazie's blog.
ETA: FW Graham Cracker would also be a good substitute at 3%-5%. Again, I would start on the lower side.
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I just count it as Magic… it was the first butterscotch vape I could taste. I c/p your notes for future reference. Nice and in depthBoth caramel and butterscotch mixes are elusive. I spent a few years developing mine with many many tweaks along the way. In fact I still tweak things here and there.
In my experience...
1) You will not find one single caramel that provides a robust caramel flavor. What is lacking in one will be found in another. Same with butterscotch flavors. Making a convincing butterscotch, or caramel, vape requires using a few of each in a mix.
2) Caramel needs the help of butterscotch in order to be convincing. Likewise butterscotch needs the help of caramel to be convincing.
3) Caramel or butterscotch need the help of creams and vanilla.
Here are my basic Caramel, and Butterscotch, recipes with some notes.
Butterscotch:
FW Butterscotch Ripple 3.5%
FA Butterscotch 2%
FW Natural Butterscotch 1%
FA Caramel 1%
FA Madagascar (Vanilla Classic) 3% (3.5%-4% for more vanilla flavor)
FA Vienna Cream 0.75%
FLV Cream 0.5% (1% for more of a creaminess)
Caramel:
FA Caramel 1%-2%
FW Caramel Candy 1%-1.5%
FW Butterscotch Ripple 3.5%
FA Butterscotch 2%
FA Madagascar (Vanilla Classic) 3% (3.5%-4% for more vanilla flavor)
FA Vienna Cream 0.75%
FLV Cream 0.5% (1% for more of a creaminess)
Suggested steep time = 3-4 weeks. The longer you let it steep the better.
I have several variations of the above recipes that I've developed over the years. The ones that are in @Zazie's Blog are good, but older. Improvements have been made since those were posted.
To make either more sweet increase Vienna Cream to 1%-1.5%. Warning, doing so will make either mix much sweeter. For a less sweeter mix decrease Vienna Cream to 0.25%-0.5%. It will not need any sweetener as caramel, and/or, butterscotch are sweet 'as is'. The creams and vanilla also lend some natural sweetness to the mix.
Also worth noting, there is a natural buttery note in most caramel and butterscotch flavors. If you want more of a buttery note, add FA Walnut at 0.25% - 0.5%. The walnut will produce a 'butter like effect'. At those %'s it will not add a noticeable nut flavor.
If you want just a plain caramel or butterscotch juice make it as above. If you want a base then add FA Cookie 0.5%-1% or INW Biscuit 0.5%-1%. You could use a cake for that too. Like a white or yellow cake at 2%-3%.
I would suggest making the caramel 'as is' so you experience the mix as intended. YMMV
Here are the caramels I've found to be most accurate and the ones I use the most. I've nearly tried them all (same with the butterscotch flavors).
FA Caramel - it's a Euro style caramel
INW Caramel - very dark Euro caramel, and strong
MF Caramel - most like American caramels (not dark)
FW Caramel Candy - I do not consider this to be 'candy'
FW Salted Caramel
FLV Caramel
@NolaMel and @Skeebo have sampled my butterscotch and caramel mixes. Hopefully they will share their thoughts.
Good luck
Thanks SMTBoth caramel and butterscotch mixes are elusive. I spent a few years developing mine with many many tweaks along the way. In fact I still tweak things here and there.
In my experience...
1) You will not find one single caramel that provides a robust caramel flavor. What is lacking in one will be found in another. Same with butterscotch flavors. Making a convincing butterscotch, or caramel, vape requires using a few of each in a mix.
2) Caramel needs the help of butterscotch in order to be convincing. Likewise butterscotch needs the help of caramel to be convincing.
3) Caramel or butterscotch need the help of creams and vanilla.
Here are my basic Caramel, and Butterscotch, recipes with some notes.
Butterscotch:
FW Butterscotch Ripple 3.5%
FA Butterscotch 2%
FW Natural Butterscotch 1%
FA Caramel 1%
FA Madagascar (Vanilla Classic) 3% (3.5%-4% for more vanilla flavor)
FA Vienna Cream 0.75%
FLV Cream 0.5% (1% for more of a creaminess)
Caramel:
FA Caramel 1%-2%
FW Caramel Candy 1%-1.5%
FW Butterscotch Ripple 3.5%
FA Butterscotch 2%
FA Madagascar (Vanilla Classic) 3% (3.5%-4% for more vanilla flavor)
FA Vienna Cream 0.75%
FLV Cream 0.5% (1% for more of a creaminess)
Suggested steep time = 3-4 weeks. The longer you let it steep the better.
I have several variations of the above recipes that I've developed over the years. The ones that are in @Zazie's Blog are good, but older. Improvements have been made since those were posted.
To make either more sweet increase Vienna Cream to 1%-1.5%. Warning, doing so will make either mix much sweeter. For a less sweeter mix decrease Vienna Cream to 0.25%-0.5%. It will not need any sweetener as caramel, and/or, butterscotch are sweet 'as is'. The creams and vanilla also lend some natural sweetness to the mix.
Also worth noting, there is a natural buttery note in most caramel and butterscotch flavors. If you want more of a buttery note, add FA Walnut at 0.25% - 0.5%. The walnut will produce a 'butter like effect'. At those %'s it will not add a noticeable nut flavor.
If you want just a plain caramel or butterscotch juice make it as above. If you want a base then add FA Cookie 0.5%-1% or INW Biscuit 0.5%-1%. You could use a cake for that too. Like a white or yellow cake at 2%-3%.
I would suggest making the caramel 'as is' so you experience the mix as intended. YMMV
Here are the caramels I've found to be most accurate and the ones I use the most. I've nearly tried them all (same with the butterscotch flavors).
FA Caramel - it's a Euro style caramel
INW Caramel - very dark Euro caramel, and strong
MF Caramel - most like American caramels (not dark)
FW Caramel Candy - I do not consider this to be 'candy'
FW Salted Caramel
FLV Caramel
@NolaMel and @Skeebo have sampled my butterscotch and caramel mixes. Hopefully they will share their thoughts.
Good luck
My tastes are very eclectic....opera, cello, orchestral, Andrea Bocelli, Pavarotti etc.....love them all
Good morning all....well for me anyway!!
I haven't got all of the caramels for the @ShowMeTwice recipe but I've got some plus a lot of different ones....need to have a play
I haven't got all of the caramels for the @ShowMeTwice recipe but I've got some plus a lot of different ones....need to have a play
......or make a chef's order!!
For me FA turns into plastic above 3% and has a weird coconut note to it. FW is pretty close to the tpa as far as strength
Good morning mixers. I forgot to check the mail Saturday so checked last night when I took out the garbage and the review sample from Sourcemore was in the mailbox.
Good thing you didn't check it sooner - you got to feel caught up for a day!
I know. It’s the new Grus 100 with the ub pro pod tank. I’ve been using the pro pod on my Ursa so that I’m familiar with and the interface is supposed to be the same as the Ursa.
After a NOT very dilligent search of Zazie's blog I am completely amazed that no-one has a coffee ice cream nor coffee milkshake nor even coffee malted posted. .............(sigh)
What me? No...............I don't need anymore flavors right now ..........just sayin' ...............
What me? No...............I don't need anymore flavors right now ..........just sayin' ...............
Both caramel and butterscotch mixes are elusive. I spent a few years developing mine with many many tweaks along the way. In fact I still tweak things here and there.
In my experience...
1) You will not find one single caramel that provides a robust caramel flavor. What is lacking in one will be found in another. Same with butterscotch flavors. Making a convincing butterscotch, or caramel, vape requires using a few of each in a mix.
2) Caramel needs the help of butterscotch in order to be convincing. Likewise butterscotch needs the help of caramel to be convincing.
3) Caramel or butterscotch need the help of creams and vanilla.
Here are my basic Caramel, and Butterscotch, recipes with some notes.
Butterscotch:
FW Butterscotch Ripple 3.5%
FA Butterscotch 2%
FW Natural Butterscotch 1%
FA Caramel 1%
FA Madagascar (Vanilla Classic) 3% (3.5%-4% for more vanilla flavor)
FA Vienna Cream 0.75%
FLV Cream 0.5% (1% for more of a creaminess)
Caramel:
FA Caramel 1%-2%
FW Caramel Candy 1%-1.5%
FW Butterscotch Ripple 3.5%
FA Butterscotch 2%
FA Madagascar (Vanilla Classic) 3% (3.5%-4% for more vanilla flavor)
FA Vienna Cream 0.75%
FLV Cream 0.5% (1% for more of a creaminess)
Suggested steep time = 3-4 weeks. The longer you let it steep the better.
I have several variations of the above recipes that I've developed over the years. The ones that are in @Zazie's Blog are good, but older. Improvements have been made since those were posted.
To make either more sweet increase Vienna Cream to 1%-1.5%. Warning, doing so will make either mix much sweeter. For a less sweeter mix decrease Vienna Cream to 0.25%-0.5%. It will not need any sweetener as caramel, and/or, butterscotch are sweet 'as is'. The creams and vanilla also lend some natural sweetness to the mix.
Also worth noting, there is a natural buttery note in most caramel and butterscotch flavors. If you want more of a buttery note, add FA Walnut at 0.25% - 0.5%. The walnut will produce a 'butter like effect'. At those %'s it will not add a noticeable nut flavor.
If you want just a plain caramel or butterscotch juice make it as above. If you want a base then add FA Cookie 0.5%-1% or INW Biscuit 0.5%-1%. You could use a cake for that too. Like a white or yellow cake at 2%-3%.
I would suggest making the caramel 'as is' so you experience the mix as intended. YMMV
Here are the caramels I've found to be most accurate and the ones I use the most. I've nearly tried them all (same with the butterscotch flavors).
FA Caramel - it's a Euro style caramel
INW Caramel - very dark Euro caramel, and strong
MF Caramel - most like American caramels (not dark)
FW Caramel Candy - I do not consider this to be 'candy'
FW Salted Caramel
FLV Caramel
@NolaMel and @Skeebo have sampled my butterscotch and caramel mixes. Hopefully they will share their thoughts.
Good luck
quoting so I can copy this in notes later...
good morning, albeit a late one. Had a wonderful day yesterday... I even expended so much energy that I slept in. Woke up to the cat smacking my face with her paw... haha. She'd had enough of my being lazy...
I'm not sure how long it will take me to catch up, but I hope everyone has a good day today!
I'm not sure how long it will take me to catch up, but I hope everyone has a good day today!
Good morning folks,
not the big plans in southern Norway, we have had rain most of the day but it has started to ease.
We will have a walk with Øsa a little later.
not the big plans in southern Norway, we have had rain most of the day but it has started to ease.
We will have a walk with Øsa a little later.
Who needs an alarm clock when you have a pet?
Glad to hear that you had a good day yesterday. I hope today is even better.
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