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hittman

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    Mrs. Maisel!!! Have been waiting a long time for Season 4.

    We watched a few episodes of the first season a long time ago but forgot about it.
     

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    My Nauti got a simple ice cream mix with SSA Natural Raspberry and Chem. Passion Fruit. It’s quite tasty.

    My Dvarw got a Raspberry/Rhubarb Cheezy. I really need a better name for that. Liking this one too.

    I’ll probably post both tomorrow.
     

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    @hittman I took a quick look at those recipes. I thought you liked that Arson Milk?

    I do but the flavor was fantastic in a pod mod but tried it in two tanks and the flavor was weak.
     

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    CapeTownCloudChaser

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    Welcome CapeTownCloudChaser :)
    Couple things. I think you mentioned you bought many used from someone else. Some flavors will weaken over time, like citrus as an example.
    (I could have missed it, but) can you tell us about your setup, like atty, coil and the watts you use. And finally, can you post an example or 2 of one those highly rated recipes you found weak.
    Hi @ShamrockPat, please excuse the delayed response, but work had me very busy in an area with poor signal, nevertheless here is a bit more info:
    My regular everyday setup is a Mike Vapes Recurve dual RDA, which i mostly use in single coil setup. As for coils i tend to lean towards Clapton style around 30awg/26awg at 0.15-0.2 Ohms in dual mode and 0.3-0.4 Ohms in Single coil mode. I vape at around 45w - 60w in power mode.

    I have various mech mods and tanks, but am still new to those and mostly vape on the above device.

    Regarding the flavours, I am aware that some flavours will go "off" with time. I did throw a lot of the flavours away that were very dark in colour, except flavours like double Chocolate which are dark to start with. I did try mixing with only fresh flavours that I recently ordered in the past month, also to no avail.

    Here are a couple recipes that didn't quite work out:
    Tropical Sweet 5* with 28 Reviews (terrible)
    Nicotine 3mg
    70/30
    Papaya (TPA)
    2.00%
    Pomegranate (FW)
    1.50%
    Sweet Tangerine (CAP)
    2.00%
    Totals: 5.5%

    Purple Drank 4.5* with 34 reviews(terrible)
    Nicotine 3mg
    70/30
    Dragonfruit (TPA)
    6.00
    Grape Juice (TPA)
    8.00
    Totals 14%

    Fresh03's Strawberry Milkshake 5* with 63 reviews( this is vapeable, but no strong flavours, might be due to high % of flavours)
    Nicotine 3mg
    Dairy Milk (TPA)
    3.30%
    French Vanilla Creme (TPA)
    1.70%
    Strawberry (Red Touch) (FA)
    3.30%
    Strawberry, Ripe (TPA)
    3.30%
    Sweet Strawberry (CAP)
    3.30%
    Vanilla Bean Gelato (TPA)
    0.70%
    Vanilla Cupcake (CAP)
    5.00%
    Whipped Cream (TPA)
    1.70%
    Totals 22.3%

    Lastly I got a PDF from our concentrate vendor here in South Africa hwich has various recipes credited to the respective authors. these also did not make the cut, but i do not know the exact rating. I just assumed if the vendor put their name on the PDF, that the receipes should be good. I have made a good 10 recipes from this pdf to no avail. Here is one from this PDF:

    Tutti Frutti
    Nicotine 3mg
    70/30
    Dragonfruit (TPA)
    4.00%
    Kiwi Double (TFA)
    3.00%
    PassionFruit (TFA)
    3.00%
    Tutti Frutti (TFA)
    2.00%
    Totals: 12%

    Sorry for the long post, but i do appreciate your time and effort in guiding me on the right path.
    Regards,
    CTCC
     

    CapeTownCloudChaser

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    @CapeTownCloudChaser, it might help you, and be in your best interests, to take your flavors and mix them as single flavor tests (SFT's). Start with flavors you think you will like the most. That will help you.


    When you were enjoying retail juices, what flavor profiles did you like best?
    Finding similar mixes here or at ELR etc. should be helpful to you.

    Start doing SFT's with those kinds of flavors. You will find, for example, that you might not like one company's strawberry but really like one or two from another company or two. Same is true for every flavor you have. Everyone likes different flavors. Not all flavors are created equally.

    Some flavors just suck!

    When I do SFT's I always start low with the %'s and do 5ml's. I set those aside to steep. A 5ml SFT will not require a month steeping time. Doesn't matter what kind of flavor it is (unless it's a Medicine Flower flavor). 2 weeks steeping for a 5ml SFT for cream and bakery flavors is fine. Why? Because you are only adding drops for any given flavor to 5ml's. The majority of fruits are shake and vape.

    I start as low as 1% in 5ml base. Of course that depends on what flavor from what company. Sometimes it's less and sometimes it's more. It all depends on what flavor from what company.

    There are exceptions to that. If I'm doing a flavor from Flavorah (FLV) or Medicine Flower (MF) I will only do a single drop or two. FLV and MF are very highly concentrated flavorings. Those are ultra concentrates. And those are two examples where you don't need much at all for an SFT (or in a mix). The same is very true for some flavorings by other companies.

    The maximum % I've done an SFT for any flavor is 3%. And that's only for flavors that are considered non ultra concentrates. But again, it all depends.

    I'm of the opinion that less is more with DIY. Other folks are different. Most of my mixes are less than 10% total flavoring. Many are less than that. Some are very low but those use ultra concentrated flavorings.

    Some people like a higher total percent of flavoring in their mixes. There is no right or wrong. However, there is a point with every single flavor where if too much is used it will turn out bad (either taste like crap or be muted).

    Doing SFT's is the only way you are going to know if you like an individual flavor. There are no shortcuts to learning which flavors you prefer. You could always do 2 or 3 flavor mixes (but...). Nothing beats getting to know your flavors individually.

    I was taught from the beginning of my DIY journey to take very detailed notes. I still do that to this day with individual flavors and mixes. Nothing beats good notes.

    Eventually everyone finds their favorite flavors and what works best for them with DIY. It takes time and much patience.

    What works for me might not work for someone else and vice-versa. :)

    @ShowMeTwice Thank you so much for your detailed response. It seems that SFT's are going to be the long road that I will have to endure. I will take your advice and start with flavours that I enjoy and take it from there.

    I do take notes, however they have not been as detailed as the notes I have seen on ECF, ELR and ATF(e.g Wayne Walker's notes). I will surely implement this in my mixing.

    On that note, and i know there is no definitive answer, but do flavour profiles change a lot when paired with other flavours. E.G i have 2 SFTs that I like, let's say Strawberry and Banana, but when paired the sharpness of 1 is changed and the under note of the other is also altered. I am just curious in a general opinion if this changes a lot. From what i have been reading, nothing beats experience, So i should probably get off the forum and back to the mixing station.

    Thanks again,
    CTCC
     

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