RANT - no one is doing anything to help themselves. Heads in the sand!!

[TheDarthJager]

You are correct a bunch of people yelling won't help...
but a bunch of people taking responsibility for being adults will.

I'm not disagreeing with you, it simply boils down to how people feel the best way to deal with it is. I may suggest an idea I feel is the most appropriate but I know there are several people that will disagree. I that's the problem here, people aren't sure how best to address this issue.

 

[Ken_A]

Look arguing whether Democrats or Republicans are to blame for this doesn't solve anything, it only eliminates those who would have helped you otherwise if you hadn't blamed them based of their political beliefs. Instead focusing on what can be done by the vaping community as a whole is where the best answers will come from.

agreed. you notice I did not mention any political party? there is a reason. it's not a party thing, it's a (in my mind) bribe thing. these people get a lot of money off of tobacco, so the only thing that can change their minds is an overwhelming number of people letting them know that they need to protect us without taking away our right to do something that has not been proven to be harmful.

 

[TheDarthJager]

Take a look around... Big tobacco is on the e-cig ban wagon now. Because they can see the writing on the wall for their main product. This is more about people who contribute nothing to society in form of gainful employment lobbying local, state, and federal governments in order to control the world they live in. And they probably do it because they know they're useless people otherwise.

That is true but what better way to corner the market that tailor it is such a way that benefits you best. I'm not claiming this is how it is this is just how I see it. Please don't think I was arguing, just pitching in my two cents so to speak.

 

[stevegmu]

Look arguing whether Democrats or Republicans are to blame for this doesn't solve anything, it only eliminates those who would have helped you otherwise if you hadn't blamed them based of their political beliefs. Instead focusing on what can be done by the vaping community as a whole is where the best answers will come from.

Voting does, and the same people crying about their 'right to vape' will continue blindly voting in those who will take it away. Look at California. They are reaping what they have sown. Look at New Youk. Apparently, the majority of Americans favor a nanny state. Nothing can be done about it, save for voting, or exodus.

 

[WCSR]

Look arguing whether Democrats or Republicans are to blame for this doesn't solve anything, it only eliminates those who would have helped you otherwise if you hadn't blamed them based of their political beliefs. Instead focusing on what can be done by the vaping community as a whole is where the best answers will come from.

This.

As citizens, this is our biggest problem in our country, and our own government loves it. We spend so much time at odds with each other over left or right affiliations, that big brother knows we could never manage to align ourselves enough to save this sinking ship of a country. While we argue over our political views, the rich keep getting richer, and we, the arguing citizens, keep getting poorer.

 

[TheDarthJager]

agreed. you notice I did not mention any political party? there is a reason. it's not a party thing, it's a (in my mind) bribe thing. these people get a lot of money off of tobacco, so the only thing that can change their minds is an overwhelming number of people letting them know that they need to protect us without taking away our right to do something that has not been proven to be harmful.

I very much agree with you. The problem is how, sadly I wish I knew an answer that would satisfy everyone and have the most beneficial outcome but I do not.

 

[TheDarthJager]

This.

As citizens, this is our biggest problem in our country, and our own government loves it. We spend so much time at odds with each other over left or right affiliations, that big brother knows we could never manage to align ourselves enough to save this sinking ship of a country. While we argue over our political views, the rich keep getting richer, and we, the arguing citizens, keep getting poorer.

Sad but true, history shows the easiest way to defeat an enemy is to let them defeat themselves.

(sorry if I'm sound all kung fu master tonight, I'm on a weird kick of sorts.)

 

[Ken_A]

I very much agree with you. The problem is how, sadly I wish I knew an answer that would satisfy everyone and have the most beneficial outcome but I do not.

as I may have mentioned a couple of times (like every other time I've posted in this thread)

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ape-daily-action-plan-thursday-9-12-13-a.html

and the VP LIVE VAPE team is planning on giving away prizes to a random person who does it!!!

 

[stevegmu]

agreed. you notice I did not mention any political party? there is a reason. it's not a party thing, it's a (in my mind) bribe thing. these people get a lot of money off of tobacco, so the only thing that can change their minds is an overwhelming number of people letting them know that they need to protect us without taking away our right to do something that has not been proven to be harmful.

Scroll down a bit and see which party gets the majority of money from tobacco companies.


Tobacco | OpenSecrets

Next, find me 3 Republicans who are behind anti vaping legislation.

It is a party 'thing'.

 

[TheDarthJager]

Voting does, and the same people crying about their 'right to vape' will continue blindly voting in those who will take it away. Look at California. They are reaping what they have sown. Look at New Your. Apparently, the majority of Americans favor a nanny state. Nothing can be done about it, save for voting, or exodus.

I will certainly agree that most of the damage is self inflicted. People at large just don't have a full grasp on the situation because the facts are only now starting to make their way to the surface where anyone and everyone can see the.

 

[TheDarthJager]

Scroll down a bit and see which party gets the majority of money from tobacco companies.


Tobacco | OpenSecrets

Next, find me 3 Republicans who are behind anti vaping legislation.

It is a party 'thing'.

I'm not trying to argue with you, I was simply stating my views and nothing more. I apologized if it was taken as an attack, I simply was wanting to discuss this issues with other vapors to see how the rest of the community viewed the issue.

 

[UntamedRose]

Not sure everyone yelling at each other is going to be very productive either.

 

[grandmato5]

I agree Kena, far too many people with their heads in the sand BUT not everyone's head is in the sand. There are those of us that DO care enough to fight. Go back and read all of the PROPOSED bans this past year and count how many were defeated because people DID stand up and fight against them. It proves we do often make a difference when we get off our butts and do something.

And yes, tweets and emails that low level staffers of politicians initially read CAN make a difference. Most politicians do at least get statistical reports from their staff of what issues are being emailed, faxed or tweeted to them. Sometimes they even read some of them themselves. No, no matter what we do we will not change everyone's opinion of ecigs. BUT putting even the tiniest doubt about the misinformation out there about ecigs CAN make a difference. IF the only information a politician gets is support for a ban on ecigs do ya really think they are going to vote against it? They need to know there is another side to the story if there is a chance they will vote against bans.

We certainly may have an uphill battle for the survival of vaping but at least we still have a battle to fight, if we simply give up then we've already lost and we only have ourselves to blame.

 

[stevegmu]

I'm not trying to argue with you, I was simply stating my views and nothing more. I apologized if it was taken as an attack, I simply was wanting to discuss this issues with other vapors to see how the rest of the community viewed the issue.

I didn't take it as an attack. I like discussions.

When I did opposition research, the first thing I did was to follow the money. That is how to discover the real reasons behind anti-nic legislation. Big Tobacco isn't behind this. In fact, they are behind a very important proposal in Ohio in favor of vaping.

 

[vjc0628]

A West VA town bans vaping. You are not even allowed to vape on your front porch or even the yard outside your home.

why are you ignoring a call for evidence of your claim this is a pretty big claim?
A West VA town bans vaping. You are not even allowed to vape on your front porch or even the yard outside your home.

 

[TheDarthJager]

I didn't take it as an attack. I like discussions.

When I did opposition research, the first thing I did was to follow the money. That is how to discover the real reasons behind anti-nic legislation. Big Tobacco isn't behind this. In fact, they are behind a very important proposal in Ohio in favor of vaping.

Huh...I did not know this. Hmmm...any chance you can send me a link, I'm still looking through the other hyperlink you posted.

 

[WCSR]

I will certainly agree that most of the damage is self inflicted. People at large just don't have a full grasp on the situation because the facts are only now starting to make their way to the surface where anyone and everyone can see the.

Indeed, most damage is self inflicted. Liberals lobby this, conservatives lobby against that, liberals lobby against this, conservatives lobby against that...


Until both sides look around and realize that we've lobbied all of our rights and privileges away, it will continue. The government is more than happy to grant it all. No easier way to take things away from people, than by letting them give it to you just to spite someone else.

 

[stevegmu]

This would be a huge win. Basically, e-nic would not be a tobacco product and not subject to regulation under tobacco laws, at least in Ohio. On a national level, this would be a game changer. Big Tobacco hires consultants who have a clue. E-cigarettes and e-nic are the future of their business in the US, not tobacco.



E-cig bill called a

 

[TheDarthJager]

Indeed, most damage is self inflicted. Liberals lobby this, conservatives lobby against that, liberals lobby against this, conservatives lobby against that...


Until both sides look around and realize that we've lobbied all of our rights and privileges away, it will continue. The government is more than happy to grant it all. No easier way to take things away from people, than by letting them give it to you just to spite someone else.

Very true and whats worst is that they do need to do anything or say anything, we're so busy fighting that we're doing their work for them.

 

[TheDarthJager]

This would be a huge win. Basically, e-nic would not be a tobacco product and not subject to regulation under tobacco laws, at least in Ohio. On a national level, this would be a game changer. Big Tobacco hires consultants who have a clue. E-cigarettes and e-nic are the future of their business in the US, not tobacco.



E-cig bill called a

Awesome thanks, I'll see if maybe I can get the word spread around my local B&M, I think if local groups get familiar with the material then that's the first step in the right direction.