RANT - no one is doing anything to help themselves. Heads in the sand!!

[Janet H]

As much as the attitudes and laws negatively impacting vaping angers me, it's also part of what we all knew was coming. The growing number of vapers will dictate changes as the truth becomes known. The incredible growth in such a short time just by word of mouth is amazingly encouraging. That doesn't mean we shouldn't join the fight for our right to vape and to educate people about this new industry, it's just the process that was bound to happen. I've never minded joining smokers in their designated area (on the fringes) because it's an opportunity to educate them or at least to reduce their fear of vaping. I've often had non-smokers come up to me to ask about it. Anti smoking people have successfully challenged smoking by making it "socially" unacceptable so we have to counter that.

As far as contacting legislators, a long time ago I read that each contact from the public was representative of the hundreds of people who think the same way, but didn't bother to make the effort to initiate contact. Wish I could remember the number each contact represented, but I remember being surprised at how large it was. So, even though we may sign petitions, it's also very important to send individual letters/emails/phone calls.

 

[vjc0628]

For vic0628....

Here is the link for you. You can skip to time stamp 1:04:00 to hear the call

VPLive Vape Team Episode #83: Irrational Fear - YouTube

And I was wrong. It was not a town. It was an entire county!!! See my opening post for the full correction.

Thank you.

1 nut calls up a radio show and says he is not allowed to vape on his porch ? that's is your proof
I doubt very much he is not allowed to vape on his porch in the street or anywhere else smoking is currently allowed

common you have to be more responsible then that

 

[soba1]

I think we need to do A Million Man march on DC to protect our rights to alternative tobacco use..

You know youre right.............
I would even get my cheap bass there

 

[Pitviper]

The problem friends is that Amercia was once "The Land of the free, home of the brave", now we have become "The land of thr oppressed, and home of meek. We allow our politicians to make these absurd laws, with no repercussions. Until WE make a change in how we let OUR government run and opperate, this stuff will continue to happen.

 

[soba1]

I'm wating for them to start some [edited] in LA.
But I doubt it because I believe the City Of LA relaizes its revenue
creates jobs etc. But I'm watching here trust me.
Also OP I hear ya everyone wants to whine.
But Thew92 is hand feeding it to us there is no excuse not to
tweet

 

[soba1]

The problem friends is that Amercia was once "The Land of the free, home of the brave", now we have become "The land of thr oppressed, and home of meek. We allow our politicians to make these absurd laws, with no repercussions. Until WE make a change in how we let OUR government run and opperate, this stuff will continue to happen.

Don't sugar coat it we have turned into a bunch of
Where white is black and black is white.
Up is down and down is up.
We have been divided and counquered.

 

[retired1]

This thread is tottering on the edge of being moved or closed. I'd prefer not to do either.

 

[soba1]

This thread is tottering on the edge of being moved or closed. I'd prefer not to do either.

Please don't sorry everyone. I get soooooooo wound up.
Also its not just this its everything else going along with it

 

[Robino1]

I'm wating for them to start some [edited] in LA.
But I doubt it because I believe the City Of LA relaizes its revenue
creates jobs etc. But I'm watching here trust me.
Also OP I hear ya everyone wants to whine.
But Thew92 is hand feeding it to us there is no excuse not to
tweet

Please don't try to evade the censors. I would like the thread to stay open.

I'm feeding everyone also with this thread http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...orld-national-vaping-day-what-your-plans.html (shameless plug again)

 

[soba1]

Please don't try to evade the censors. I would like the thread to stay open.

I'm feeding everyone also with this thread http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...orld-national-vaping-day-what-your-plans.html (shameless plug again)

It was me I have to take responsibility for that, and we know u got FLA. covered

 

[WCSR]

either your for what's right and truth
or you for what's wrong lies and manipulation either to force or trick people into doing what you want

It's only lies and manipulation if it's not true. But it is happening out there. e-cigs are being banned in places one-by-one quite quickly. You know how they can do it so quickly now? Because the precedents have already been set in smoking bans. All they have to do is lump vaping in with smoking on current or proposed ordinances and laws...

All across the US, towns are pushing their way to going fully smoke free. They've already banned it in bars, restaurants, public parks, hospitals (including parking lots), universities, public sidewalks, etc... Rental companies are also getting on board by banning smoking on their properties...including entire apartment complex properties. It won't take them much effort to make an addendum, appendix, or amendment to those laws or regulations to include vaping in them.

It definitely irks me hearing about E-cigs being completely banned. But what also irks me are the vapers who seem to feel humiliated about being sent to the smokers spot to vape,
when the main group of people that we need to do this "educating" of ecigs on, ARE the smokers. Instead many vapors seems to have this incessant need of wanting to educate non smokers all the time when they can give two sh**s about bans on ecigs.

I think people are forgetting the most powerful reason ecigs exist. To get smokers to stop smoking. Not this righteous need to be able to vape in every public spot possible...

You will have a easier time getting ecigs known to the world by gaining a large following. Vaping in smoking areas will pique more positive interests then vaping inside a grocery store. I'm sure of it.

I was the first person at my work to bring in an e-cig a couple of years ago. After I stopped going out to the smoke pit at work, and instead, sat inside vaping on hot/cold days. My close friends and other co-workers started to take notice, and one by one they followed. We now have more people vaping at work than smoking. Some will be damned to follow.. So, I'd say, in some situations, not going to the smoking area to smoke speaks louder than going there to vape.

 

[WCSR]

This thread is tottering on the edge of being moved or closed. I'd prefer not to do either.

Just out of curiosity, retired1... How receptive are Canadians to vaping? I'll be making a trip to Calgary and Edmonton to watch some hockey games in November, and I'm just curious as what to expect if I openly vape outside.

 

[vjc0628]

It's only lies and manipulation if it's not true. But it is happening out there. e-cigs are being banned in places one-by-one quite quickly. You know how they can do it so quickly now? Because the precedents have already been set in smoking bans. All they have to do is lump vaping in with smoking on current or proposed ordinances and laws...

All across the US, towns are pushing their way to going fully smoke free. They've already banned it in bars, restaurants, public parks, hospitals (including parking lots), universities, public sidewalks, etc... Rental companies are also getting on board by banning smoking on their properties...including entire apartment complex properties. It won't take them much effort to make an addendum, appendix, or amendment to those laws or regulations to include vaping in them.

you are only mentioning places where smoking is currently banned that is not what ive posted about
where is there any evidence vaping is banned anywhere smoking is currently allowed
or banned on a persons own front lawn or porch

I keep seeing these threads pop up its scare tactics its dishonest and im calling it out

 

[WCSR]

you are only mentioning places where smoking is currently banned that is not what ive posted about
where is there any evidence vaping is banned anywhere smoking is currently allowed
or banned on a persons own front lawn or porch

I keep seeing these threads pop up its scare tactics its dishonest and im calling it out

 

[retired1]

Just out of curiosity, retired1... How receptive are Canadians to vaping? I'll be making a trip to Calgary and Edmonton to watch some hockey games in November, and I'm just curious as what to expect if I openly vape outside.

Not sure about Alberta, but in Ontario it's generally accepted. You shouldn't have any issues at all.

 

[retired1]

you are only mentioning places where smoking is currently banned that is not what ive posted about
where is there any evidence vaping is banned anywhere smoking is currently allowed
or banned on a persons own front lawn or porch

I keep seeing these threads pop up its scare tactics its dishonest and im calling it out

Drop it. Or research it yourself. But the continuous attempts at disruption needs to stop.

 

[Uncle Willie]

I just wanted to point something out. I'm pretty sure that 10 million thread was referring to 10 million posts, not 10 million active members. Also, I can only speak for myself but I tweet the Daily Action Plan tweets fairly regularly, I just don't post to the thread saying "did it" or "done". I hope that helps ease your mind some. Vape on everyone!

Yes, it is the 10 Millionth Post ..

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...84-ecf-heading-towards-10-million-prizes.html

If ECF had 10 million members, the owners would be offering an IPO, retiring or selling the site at that point ..

 

[bluecat]

I'll start off by saying, I thought it was wrong to ban smoking in establishments. I feel each establishment shoudl write their own smoking policies.

Duluth says no to e-cigarettes; state says it will consider options | Star Tribune

What I found on Deluthe. It is an interesting read... I don't see anyone rights being trampled. As a vaper, I see nothing wrong with not allowing vaping in resturants the grocery or any other spot. Although, I still think it better for the business to establish that policy rather than the government.

Snipet about stadiums...

"Target Field tweaked its “no smoking” policy this year to include e-cigarettes. Twins President Dave St. Peter said that “our staff found they created confusion and customer service challenges in the sense that it was very difficult to distinguish … between traditional cigarettes and e-cigarettes.”" Time and money for the stadium.. easier to just ban them, understandable from a business stand point.

Last part of the article..

"If the medical community later comes to the consensus that e-cigarettes don’t cause harm and help people quit, Duluth can reverse its restrictions, said Julsrud, the council member."

“And if the doctors find it’s not safe,” she added, “then we did the right thing by being cautious.”


Being proactive or reactive? Depends on how you look at it. I can see both sides. I wish they would just do a real test on them and be done with it, then they will know what we know instead of speculation.

Here is what I could find about W Va..

Electronic Cigarette Vapour Gets Reprieve in West Virginia

From April or May? An interesting snipet from it..

"“Maybe we went a little too far,” Davidson told the paper. He directed the town’s Chief of Police not to enforce certain parts of the smoking ban during this year’s festival, particularly not the section that bans the use of electronic cigarettes."

Quite frankly I know of no law that can ban a person from doing something that is not illegal on their own property. Smoking is not illegal.. Vaping is not illegal... Well the dry counties in KY I won;t get into.

Either way rants are fine... People tend to listen more with honey than with fire.

 

[dr g]

As much as the attitudes and laws negatively impacting vaping angers me, it's also part of what we all knew was coming. The growing number of vapers will dictate changes as the truth becomes known. The incredible growth in such a short time just by word of mouth is amazingly encouraging. That doesn't mean we shouldn't join the fight for our right to vape and to educate people about this new industry, it's just the process that was bound to happen.

I agree with this and this is one reason why I am not all that concerned about legislation. Vaping is incredibly compelling on many levels. The genie is out of the bottle, there's no putting it back in. Genie just gonna get mad.

The business regulation side though, is a more tangible concern. It is quite possible for the industry to be co-opted, as many if not most industries eventually are.

 

[crxess]

So, here is my question.

Is Vaping no Nic - Same as smoking?

I see many people are using -0- nic e-liquids to curb eating disorders and aid in Diet. No consideration?