Is that juice spatter on the mirror from test firing, or did your alpaca sneeze?
Road_House,
You really now how to hurt a guy.
My money is on the "Alpaca sneeze". ROTFLMAO
Rayon wick, better flow, flavor, saturation and Nic Hit!
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Road_House,
You really now how to hurt a guy.
My money is on the "Alpaca sneeze". ROTFLMAO
I've only used it in a magma, but sorry guys I'm not really that impressed.
It's nice, yes. Better than cotton? Yes. Other than that, nothing to phone home about.
This is all IMO though.
It's nice, yes. Better than cotton? Yes. Other than that, nothing to phone home about.
This is all IMO though.
All I read was "Better than cotton? Yes." Good enough for me.
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Hilsee,
When is the last time you tried to unroll a cotton ball...
But seriously you didn't notice any improvement over the cotton i.e. taste, improved flavor and the lack of the cotton break in taste.
If nothing else I was impressed when I loaded my ZAP. I pushed the CC down thru the coil and into an already filled tank and within a minute, or so, it was wicked all the way up to and above the coil. I have never had cotton do that. Oh and one other thing I can now change juice in my dripper and within a few minutes of use the new juice flavor has taken over completely, and yes I am sober.
Oh well. Went to Sallys, bought 500' of it for $11.00, wicked up a kfl+ and an Aqua many ways using 3 or 4 different sizes and I can taste the rayon, no added flavor from cotton and same or less vapor...bummerage.
Remember all the reports on first time cotton use.. First time I tried using cotton it burned straight though after about 3 pulls. Took a couple months of tries before I got it down.
At any rate, the impressions come with time. No gunk on the coil so far after 20-25 mls. That means I'm not burning the juice, which is shown to have potential carcinogens in it. There's stickies bout it on ecf. It's no just sub ohm but a dryish hit that causes gunk is the same thing. What ever was happening when the coil was gunking was causing my lungs to cough up stuff on 100vg. Since using rayon this has been reduced by 90%.
At any rate, the impressions come with time. No gunk on the coil so far after 20-25 mls. That means I'm not burning the juice, which is shown to have potential carcinogens in it. There's stickies bout it on ecf. It's no just sub ohm but a dryish hit that causes gunk is the same thing. What ever was happening when the coil was gunking was causing my lungs to cough up stuff on 100vg. Since using rayon this has been reduced by 90%.
I boiled for about 5 minutes from cold water, drained, patted dry with paper towels, then oven dried at 175. That solved the rayon flavor issue for me.
I don't think it's they rayon you're tasting, it's the coating... just my
I boiled for about 5 minutes from cold water, drained, patted dry with paper towels, then oven dried at 175. That solved the rayon flavor issue for me.
I don't think it's they rayon you're tasting, it's the coating... just my
Good to see someone else who also has experienced the "taste" when using Rayon.
A lot of folks told me I was tasting the "metal" in the coil, I had a "dirty" coil, etc. I agree and Jeremy actually confirmed. He gave me the solution that you found, now the off taste is gone. About 5 minutes boiled, rinsed, and dried. Much improved. The only thing I found was it changes the texture quite a bit. Fluffier, tougher to separate the strands, almost a firm "cotton-like" texture. Did you find the same thing?
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just wicked this stuff for the first time, and thought it was great at first. but now i'm tasting something off. sucks i have to boil this stuff :\
I boiled for about 5 minutes from cold water, drained, patted dry with paper towels, then oven dried at 175. That solved the rayon flavor issue for me.
I don't think it's they rayon you're tasting, it's the coating... just my
Did what you did here. The oven dry process took 30 minutes at 170. I thought it was going to turn into a souffle. In the middle of resetting the 15 minute timer I took each piece out and spread the fibers out to facilitate its drying.
At 30 minutes it was fairly dry. I took it out and will let it dry overnight then give it another shot manana.
I also received permawick from RB Supplies today. The stuff is not very plyable in small pieces like for a KFL. It tastes okay at first blush.
I will revisit that tomorrow as well. I will try them both in my gennys and rda's as well. Thanks for your suggestions here...
O.K. It's officially my 2nd week using viscose rayon (Cellu-Cotton), AND I LOVE THIS STUFF! It wicks much faster, it wicks more consistently, it efficiently pulls all the juice to the heat source until it's bone dry, and doesn't interrupt the flavor one bit!
I'd have to say the flavor (or lack-thereof) of Cellu-cotton is the most amazing part about it, it's like freebasing your eliquid off of a glass spoon almost. BUT I'm a huge "cloud-chaser", meaning I want the most vapor I can get, the fastest way possible without any dry hits, and I think this is one benefit that Rayon hasn't been given credit for. Because without a single doubt, I'm getting better vapor performance, I do love my Kho Gen Do (I prefer Shiseido cotton more), but Rayon simply gets the juice I'm burning through quickly, to the coils before cotton can even start thinking about it, resulting in longer, more fueled hits.
I'm super impressed with the stuff, I honestly was skeptical at first because everyones scared that the "man-made" fiber is going to gives us all cancer eventually, but I've done alot of empirical research on the stuff, and I haven't come up with anything negative. It's got a way higher heat tolerance than cotton (which is great for those hot cloud coils I love), so that's one less thing to worry about safety wise, and Rayon was literally the oldest and first "man-made" fiber, which gives me confidence in the fact that; if there was a health issue regarding Rayon, it would most likely be found out by now, if not by consumers, than by the manufacturing employes that are around tons of the stuff for decades.
I did some "investigating" for us too guys: I called Graham the Cellu-cotton makers personally , and asked whether there would be any possibility of health risks regarding our vaping use of it (I described it was being used on hot coils around/possibly above 500F, and directly inhaled), and I was able to speak to a Health & Safety Engineer (named Bryant), and he explained that there aren't any hidden processing chemicals/additives that will actually be on the Cellu-cotton when it gets to the customer, it comes pure and just like the MSDS says what it's properties are. So that was nice to know, so basically were vaping on a pure & clean product, so the product under heat is the only thing to research, and he didn't know what the cellu-cotton under heat would pose as threat if any, but that's the easy part to find out.
Literally the only evidence I've found that Rayon could possibly have any health-risks is an article on Formaldehyde resin being used in synthetic fabrics as a "wrinkle free" additive, and since I literally spoke to the health engineer and confirmed there aren't any additives mixed with the Rayon (I'm not sure why cellu-cotton would need to be "wrinkle free" anyway lol), that worry went straight out the window. Here's the article if anyone's interested, but it's not really pertinent to CC since the articles on fabrics/clothes, ie a completely different subject. I USED TO SMOKE ANYWAY! There's now way cellu-cotton is any less healthy than ammonia, tar, fiberglass, and free-base nicotine sprayed onto genetically modified tobacco leaves lol, I can tell just from feel that cellu-cotton is nowhere near the health tax of analogues, if any whatsoever.
Formaldehyde in your fabrics | O ECOTEXTILES
Personally, I'm not particularly worried about my health being at risk regarding cellu-cotton as a wick, because if anybody's going to feel ill affects, it'll be me, because I often build "cloud chasing" coils which are fairly low ohm (but safely), and even when in the 0.2ohm area, I don't get any negative backlash from it. So I'm giving Rayon a decent "torture test" you could say, and I have a great connection with my body, as well as a bountiful knowledge of health (I'm a registered nurse). I also really like that CC doesn't so much as turn yellow when I use it, much less burn. It stays snow-white the entire time I use it, probably because it wicks so well, and has a great heat tolerance. I'd like to think I'm an "expert" dripper because I basically always catch the dry-hits before they come, but when I use cotton I still get a little bit of caramelization regardless.
I'm not sure why this isn't catching on faster guys! I've heard claims that CC is only better for flavor only, but I'm personally getting:
~noticeably better flavor/nuances
~noticeably bigger vapor (best part to me)
~noticeably less dry hits
~much, much faster wicking (don't have to wait after I re-drip)
~easier building (it doesn't compact/cut off juice flow hardly as easy as cotton, it wicks well even when dense, stays fluffy always)
~wicks super efficiently (this and fast wicking speed are my two favorite parts, it transports fluid like no other. Everytime I check my coils when I feel it getting dry, the deck and CC are nearly bone dry. You can tell that the outer edges of the wick have moved all it's juice toward the heat of the coils, which is amazing, it moves it where it's needed until the last drop!)
Just thought I'd share my experience with the stuff, I'm a big fan. I see what all the raving was about now, truly underrated if you ask me! I'm currently using it with some gplat 22ga elite wire, in a 0.1 dual 1/16th" 8 wrap, and it's perfect for this hot setup. Instant HUGE vapor, with one second pulls, and it made my Cloud Science Alpha juice sooo much better. I feel like I'm tasting alot of juices for the first time.
***BTW everybody check this stuff out, I haven't so much as glanced at it, I'm still looking into it but I'm liking the look of this Ceramic Cellu-cotton. It's got a CRAZY high heat tolerance, and apparently it's available to order without any additives/processing. Could be a great CC alternative due to it's heat tolerance, and I'm fairly sure it's absorbs fluid well. I'm still researching just what it is, apparently a spun ceramic material, used for heat insulation.
-Ceramic cellucotton-Products-Our Products Ceramic cellucotton
I'd have to say the flavor (or lack-thereof) of Cellu-cotton is the most amazing part about it, it's like freebasing your eliquid off of a glass spoon almost
. BUT I'm a huge "cloud-chaser", meaning I want the most vapor I can get, the fastest way possible without any dry hits, and I think this is one benefit that Rayon hasn't been given credit for. Because without a single doubt, I'm getting better vapor performance, I do love my Kho Gen Do (I prefer Shiseido cotton more), but Rayon simply gets the juice I'm burning through quickly, to the coils before cotton can even start thinking about it, resulting in longer, more fueled hits.I'm super impressed with the stuff, I honestly was skeptical at first because everyones scared that the "man-made" fiber is going to gives us all cancer eventually, but I've done alot of empirical research on the stuff, and I haven't come up with anything negative. It's got a way higher heat tolerance than cotton (which is great for those hot cloud coils I love), so that's one less thing to worry about safety wise, and Rayon was literally the oldest and first "man-made" fiber, which gives me confidence in the fact that; if there was a health issue regarding Rayon, it would most likely be found out by now, if not by consumers, than by the manufacturing employes that are around tons of the stuff for decades.
I did some "investigating" for us too guys: I called Graham the Cellu-cotton makers personally , and asked whether there would be any possibility of health risks regarding our vaping use of it (I described it was being used on hot coils around/possibly above 500F, and directly inhaled), and I was able to speak to a Health & Safety Engineer (named Bryant), and he explained that there aren't any hidden processing chemicals/additives that will actually be on the Cellu-cotton when it gets to the customer, it comes pure and just like the MSDS says what it's properties are. So that was nice to know, so basically were vaping on a pure & clean product, so the product under heat is the only thing to research, and he didn't know what the cellu-cotton under heat would pose as threat if any, but that's the easy part to find out.
Literally the only evidence I've found that Rayon could possibly have any health-risks is an article on Formaldehyde resin being used in synthetic fabrics as a "wrinkle free" additive, and since I literally spoke to the health engineer and confirmed there aren't any additives mixed with the Rayon (I'm not sure why cellu-cotton would need to be "wrinkle free" anyway lol), that worry went straight out the window. Here's the article if anyone's interested, but it's not really pertinent to CC since the articles on fabrics/clothes, ie a completely different subject. I USED TO SMOKE ANYWAY! There's now way cellu-cotton is any less healthy than ammonia, tar, fiberglass, and free-base nicotine sprayed onto genetically modified tobacco leaves lol, I can tell just from feel that cellu-cotton is nowhere near the health tax of analogues, if any whatsoever.
Formaldehyde in your fabrics | O ECOTEXTILES
Personally, I'm not particularly worried about my health being at risk regarding cellu-cotton as a wick, because if anybody's going to feel ill affects, it'll be me, because I often build "cloud chasing" coils which are fairly low ohm (but safely), and even when in the 0.2ohm area, I don't get any negative backlash from it. So I'm giving Rayon a decent "torture test" you could say, and I have a great connection with my body, as well as a bountiful knowledge of health (I'm a registered nurse). I also really like that CC doesn't so much as turn yellow when I use it, much less burn. It stays snow-white the entire time I use it, probably because it wicks so well, and has a great heat tolerance. I'd like to think I'm an "expert" dripper because I basically always catch the dry-hits before they come, but when I use cotton I still get a little bit of caramelization regardless.
I'm not sure why this isn't catching on faster guys! I've heard claims that CC is only better for flavor only, but I'm personally getting:
~noticeably better flavor/nuances
~noticeably bigger vapor (best part to me
)~noticeably less dry hits
~much, much faster wicking (don't have to wait after I re-drip)
~easier building (it doesn't compact/cut off juice flow hardly as easy as cotton, it wicks well even when dense, stays fluffy always)
~wicks super efficiently (this and fast wicking speed are my two favorite parts, it transports fluid like no other. Everytime I check my coils when I feel it getting dry, the deck and CC are nearly bone dry. You can tell that the outer edges of the wick have moved all it's juice toward the heat of the coils, which is amazing, it moves it where it's needed until the last drop!)
Just thought I'd share my experience with the stuff, I'm a big fan
. I see what all the raving was about now, truly underrated if you ask me! I'm currently using it with some gplat 22ga elite wire, in a 0.1 dual 1/16th" 8 wrap, and it's perfect for this hot setup. Instant HUGE vapor, with one second pulls, and it made my Cloud Science Alpha juice sooo much better. I feel like I'm tasting alot of juices for the first time.***BTW everybody check this stuff out, I haven't so much as glanced at it, I'm still looking into it but I'm liking the look of this Ceramic Cellu-cotton. It's got a CRAZY high heat tolerance, and apparently it's available to order without any additives/processing. Could be a great CC alternative due to it's heat tolerance, and I'm fairly sure it's absorbs fluid well. I'm still researching just what it is, apparently a spun ceramic material, used for heat insulation.
-Ceramic cellucotton-Products-Our Products Ceramic cellucotton
Treehead, glad you joined us and thanks for the super thorough review! It's really cool to see guys who really know their .... (like yourself and superX) give their opinions, it should IMO make as much of an impact on public opinion as 100 peons such as myself giving glowing reviews.
Glad you're enjoying it, the word is certainly getting out!
Glad you like it but, thanks for taking the time for the great write-up!
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I've been using cotton in drippers for about eight months now. I don't usually go for the latest fads in vaping but Rayon sounded really good. I got my order of Tencel top from Paradise Fibers a few weeks back.
I tried it on my Reo with a Cyclone dual coil setup and it only took a couple of tries to get a better result than cotton. I used it with the fibers aligned like it comes in the top style. IMO better wicking, flavor and longer lasting than cotton. I then tried it in a Aqua and though it was a bit tricky getting the relatively stiff fibers where I wanted them, that also worked very well for me.
Been thinking about CelluCotton (that I should have bought), all those crisscrossing fibers and the advantage that would be for vaping. I took a wad of Tencel about an inch long, separated the fibers and mixed them together with the fibers going in all directions. I know it's not the same as CC, but I think it's moving in that direction.
I'm vaping that in the Cyclone at 0.5 ohms now and it's really nice.
Thanks for starting this thread Jeremy
I tried it on my Reo with a Cyclone dual coil setup and it only took a couple of tries to get a better result than cotton. I used it with the fibers aligned like it comes in the top style. IMO better wicking, flavor and longer lasting than cotton. I then tried it in a Aqua and though it was a bit tricky getting the relatively stiff fibers where I wanted them, that also worked very well for me.
Been thinking about CelluCotton (that I should have bought), all those crisscrossing fibers and the advantage that would be for vaping. I took a wad of Tencel about an inch long, separated the fibers and mixed them together with the fibers going in all directions. I know it's not the same as CC, but I think it's moving in that direction.
I'm vaping that in the Cyclone at 0.5 ohms now and it's really nice
.Thanks for starting this thread Jeremy
everyday im amazed at something that rayon does better than cotton.
this morning im filling up the drippers and not even thinking about it,
when dayum!!!!
this shiite sure can hold alot of juice!!!
this morning im filling up the drippers and not even thinking about it,
when dayum!!!!
this shiite sure can hold alot of juice!!!
Here's a tip for those of you that boil your CC, I used my wifes lettuce spinner to dry my organic cotton. I lined the basket with a clean damp white cotton wash cloth (that I also boiled) to keep the cotton away from the slits in the basket.
http://www.target.com/p/oxo-salad-spinner/-/A-628331
http://www.target.com/p/oxo-salad-spinner/-/A-628331
Lol, we're gonna bring salad spinners back!
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LoL, when I bought my CC at a local Sally's I asked the clerk if they were selling more of it lately, she told me no more then usual. I told her she may want to order more, the rush is coming, she just looked at me funny. She must have thought that was really odd, a guy coming in looking for CC wrap and telling her to stock up.
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