Rayon wick, better flow, flavor, saturation and Nic Hit!

[JeremyR]

Oh well. Went to Sallys, bought 500' of it for $11.00, wicked up a kfl+ and an Aqua many ways using 3 or 4 different sizes and I can taste the rayon, no added flavor from cotton and same or less vapor...bummerage.

Passed out last night after a 14 hr field service day. This was the post I had written.

Sorry your having trouble... Your not using the correct amount of wick and you've had it for what 2 hours. This is completely different to work with. It's akin to learning how to use cotton for the first time.

Then you have the factor of is it wicking properly from the tank. This is a major factor of it running dry if you don't have the tank flowing to the wick well. Each atty is different.

a lot of us have been around the block a few times, overall this trumps everything for us.

Can't tell you how many times I've heard cotton sucks.

Sally's is not as pure as medical balls/ pharma grade. This is a fact, that's why I recommended it for you, essentially no flavor even if you screw it up.

I see you did wash it, rayon is inherently resistant to molds and such so oven drying isn't necessary, I probably would have went 120; rayon drys really fast . Never tried it but if it didn't effect it your fine.

just wicked this stuff for the first time, and thought it was great at first. but now i'm tasting something off. sucks i have to boil this stuff :\

See above. It's most likely user error ceejay. You have too much or too little in your case it's too little after an hour is will be smaller than you started with causing a dryish hit because it's out of contact with the coil. In order to learn density you have to check wick fitment after an hour of vaping. It's trial and error my friend....

It's not because it needs to be boiled!!!!!!!!!

 

[JeremyR]

I've been using cotton in drippers for about eight months now. I don't usually go for the latest fads in vaping but Rayon sounded really good. I got my order of Tencel top from Paradise Fibers a few weeks back.

I tried it on my Reo with a Cyclone dual coil setup and it only took a couple of tries to get a better result than cotton. I used it with the fibers aligned like it comes in the top style. IMO better wicking, flavor and longer lasting than cotton. I then tried it in a Aqua and though it was a bit tricky getting the relatively stiff fibers where I wanted them, that also worked very well for me.

Been thinking about CelluCotton (that I should have bought), all those crisscrossing fibers and the advantage that would be for vaping. I took a wad of Tencel about an inch long, separated the fibers and mixed them together with the fibers going in all directions. I know it's not the same as CC, but I think it's moving in that direction.

I'm vaping that in the Cyclone at 0.5 ohms now and it's really nice .

Thanks for starting this thread Jeremy

Excellent ryedan! Welcome!

I posted some of my processing to break up the tencel around post 450 I think. Probably thread search tencel chop.

You'll find the rayon to be much better. I would go delasco rayon balls or equivalent for a more neutral wick, but the Sally's is plenty good too it's similar to tencel in wick taste on dry hit or too tight In The coil.

The excellent thing with Sally's is that its a readily available product that people could go down the street and buy on the spot to get into the rayon experience!

 

[vanillayo]

It's been trial and error for me but was finally able to get it working on my clearo this morning. I need to do a taste test with the rayon and my cotton yarn. I think I'm getting a bit better flavor but the rayon is a cleaner vape if that makes sense. Actually, the flavor is getting better as I vape it right now.

 

[VenusianSky]

I think you know you have the right amount of rayon when your juice starts to taste too sweet, or too much flavor. Yeah, it sounded ridiculous as others have mentioned this effect, but I am having that "problem" now. I think I need to dilute some of my juice. Is it ok to mix a little spring water, like one or two drops for every ten?

 

[HolmanGT]

I think you know you have the right amount of rayon when your juice starts to taste too sweet, or too much flavor. Yeah, it sounded ridiculous as others have mentioned this effect, but I am having that "problem" now. I think I need to dilute some of my juice. Is it ok to mix a little spring water, like one or two drops for every ten?

Adding water is definitely OK. Caveat; I would mix small amounts of your juice in a separate bottle i.e. whatever you think you will use up in a week or so. I have read the more water you use the more susceptible to going bad as in bacteria growth especial in warm weather.

I would suggest rather than water buy a bottle of DIY PG/VG + Nic at whatever levels and ratios you normally use. Then the mix will maintain the same characteristics and only effect the amount of flavor. If you shop around you can buy the unflavored Nic juice from DIY shops for about $8 dollars per 120 ml. And you can vape the unflavored stuff... it is pretty good all by itself especial if you have a case of vapor's tongue.



PS - If you can't find a DIY shop PM me and I will provide some links.

 

[brookj1986]

I tried this in my Taifun gs last night. While it did a better job than cotton, I was still getting regular dry hits. I think the GS may be doomed for the drawer of unused devices. The gt, it works awesome in.

Just rewicked my kfl+ v2 with it and some gravity from Nicoticket and it's seriously kicking ....! Great flavor, been chain vaping and no dry hits and good vapor production.

Haven't cranked it past 13 watts, but the plan for tonight if to push it up 1 watt at a time until I get dry hits or the juice gets burned.

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[SlickWilly]

Adding water is definitely OK. Caveat; I would mix small amounts of your juice in a separate bottle i.e. whatever you think you will use up in a week or so. I have read the more water you use the more susceptible to going bad as in bacteria growth especial in warm weather.

I would suggest rather than water buy a bottle of DIY PG/VG + Nic at whatever levels and ratios you normally use. Then the mix will maintain the same characteristics and only effect the amount of flavor. If you shop around you can buy the unflavored Nic juice from DIY shops for about $8 dollars per 120 ml. And you can vape the unflavored stuff... it is pretty good all by itself especial if you have a case of vapor's tongue.



PS - If you can't find a DIY shop PM me and I will provide some links.

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[ColoradoVapz]

I built my Gus Estia last night for the first time. I did a triple coil setup in it and used some CC to wick it. Was hoping I didn't put too much in since you have to tuck the wick into the juice channels on the Estia and it looked a little fat. Got it all put back together and WOW just WOW. Clouds of vapor billow out of it. Taste is just prefect. Awesome!

 

[HolmanGT]

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[JeremyR]

I think you know you have the right amount of rayon when your juice starts to taste too sweet, or too much flavor. Yeah, it sounded ridiculous as others have mentioned this effect, but I am having that "problem" now. I think I need to dilute some of my juice. Is it ok to mix a little spring water, like one or two drops for every ten?

Yes,
When you have the right amount your flavor all the sudden will punch you in the face, and you'll be like holy ......

Others-
If this doesn't happen you don't have the wicking right.

Go to walmart or local pharmacy and they will have some vg, you can cut with that, I find about 25% to be about right.

 

[Bejeebus]

I wanted to post some photos of my Zen Standard rewicked with CC with an 11 wrap 28g kanthal (5/64s bit): 1.8ohms -- I wasn't using this hybrid and really wanted to - so I just did it:

 

[L. Keplinger]

Im having good days with cc and im having bad days with cc. Every once in a while I create the ultimate rayon wick in my dripper, it works fantabulously until i decide to rewick. Install a new rayon wick and i get sh.t taste...pull out new wick, install slightly smaller rayon and try again. more sh.t taste. rewick again and again, just using a little less each time. finally get what i think is almost too little and starts working great again. Im two weeks into rayon and feel just the same as users who just bought their cellucotton box today!

Point is, dont give up, dont get mad, dont blame jeremyR, your inability to wick properly is your fault. Remove wick and create new one. Do it until you get the best vaping experience of your life, because rayon will deliver, if you build it right...

 

[VenusianSky]

Adding water is definitely OK. Caveat; I would mix small amounts of your juice in a separate bottle i.e. whatever you think you will use up in a week or so. I have read the more water you use the more susceptible to going bad as in bacteria growth especial in warm weather.

I would suggest rather than water buy a bottle of DIY PG/VG + Nic at whatever levels and ratios you normally use. Then the mix will maintain the same characteristics and only effect the amount of flavor. If you shop around you can buy the unflavored Nic juice from DIY shops for about $8 dollars per 120 ml. And you can vape the unflavored stuff... it is pretty good all by itself especial if you have a case of vapor's tongue.



PS - If you can't find a DIY shop PM me and I will provide some links.

Yes,
When you have the right amount your flavor all the sudden will punch you in the face, and you'll be like holy ......

It this doesn't happen you don't have the wicking right.

Go to walmart or local pharmacy and they will have some vg, you can cut with that, I find about 25% to be about right.

Thanks for the tips. I just stopped by my local vape shop to see if they had any flavorless juice, but they didn't. I would rather cut the juice with some pg/vg than use water. I am going back to a larger coil to see if that helps reduce the flavor. I think the problem also has to do with the steeping time of my juice. While at the shop, I picked up some of my favorite juice since I was getting low. From the look of the tint, I can tell that it is fresher than the little bit I had left. It didn't seem as strong on the same build/wick that I was using before, so I guess the juice may have gotten sweeter over time.

 

[JeremyR]

I built my Gus Estia last night for the first time. I did a triple coil setup in it and used some CC to wick it. Was hoping I didn't put too much in since you have to tuck the wick into the juice channels on the Estia and it looked a little fat. Got it all put back together and WOW just WOW. Clouds of vapor billow out of it. Taste is just prefect. Awesome!

Another - wow oh wow! Review

You did something right!

Gld you like it!

 

[WharfRat1976]

I wanted to post some photos of my Zen Standard rewicked with CC with an 11 wrap 28g kanthal (5/64s bit): 1.8ohms -- I wasn't using this hybrid and really wanted to - so I just did it:

How is the flavor? Did you boil and dry prior to wicking? Just curious.

 

[WharfRat1976]

Im having good days with cc and im having bad days with cc. Every once in a while I create the ultimate rayon wick in my dripper, it works fantabulously until i decide to rewick. Install a new rayon wick and i get sh.t taste...pull out new wick, install slightly smaller rayon and try again. more sh.t taste. rewick again and again, just using a little less each time. finally get what i think is almost too little and starts working great again. Im two weeks into rayon and feel just the same as users who just bought their cellucotton box today!

Point is, dont give up, dont get mad, dont blame jeremyR, your inability to wick properly is your fault. Remove wick and create new one. Do it until you get the best vaping experience of your life, because rayon will deliver, if you build it right...

This is an accurate post probably for any type of build and any type of wick. Well said.

So as I posted earlier, I boiled and dried my CC and waited overnight and wicked it with my KFL+ this morning. I am getting a very CLEAN hit now. No Rayon taste. I used a little more wick(as opposed to less wick or medium wick) and laid a bunch on the decks in the "S" shaped manner. I filled with Suicide Mothers Milk since I know what that is suppose to taste like. 28awg, 11 wraps(tight coil) on a 5/64th ohming out at 1.6. I am getting very good vapor and flavor so probably an 8 out of 10. I have gotten nothing close to a dry hit or anything "burnt." I am through about 1-1.5mls so will finish this out and reload and report back.

 

[WharfRat1976]

Passed out last night after a 14 hr field service day. This was the post I had written.

Sorry your having trouble... Your not using the correct amount of wick and you've had it for what 2 hours. This is completely different to work with. It's akin to learning how to use cotton for the first time.

Then you have the factor of is it wicking properly from the tank. This is a major factor of it running dry if you don't have the tank flowing to the wick well. Each atty is different.

a lot of us have been around the block a few times, overall this trumps everything for us.

Can't tell you how many times I've heard cotton sucks.

Sally's is not as pure as medical balls/ pharma grade. This is a fact, that's why I recommended it for you, essentially no flavor even if you screw it up.

I see you did wash it, rayon is inherently resistant to molds and such so oven drying isn't necessary, I probably would have went 120; rayon drys really fast . Never tried it but if it didn't effect it your fine.



See above. It's most likely user error ceejay. You have too much or too little in your case it's too little after an hour is will be smaller than you started with causing a dryish hit because it's out of contact with the coil. In order to learn density you have to check wick fitment after an hour of vaping. It's trial and error my friend....

It's not because it needs to be boiled!!!!!!!!!

Jeremy, thanks for this feedback. I hear you loud and clear on trial and error and eventually success. It was the same process with organic cotton no doubt. I will try to perfect it for the Nirvana hit you have mentioned...

 

[bsoplinger]

I wanted to post some photos of my Zen Standard rewicked with CC with an 11 wrap 28g kanthal (5/64s bit): 1.8ohms -- I wasn't using this hybrid and really wanted to - so I just did it:

How did you install the wick? Feed it through the coil then hole into the tank? Tank first then the coil? Something else entirely?

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[brianc11111]

id be willing to bet that you cant do this very well if at all with cotton!
28ga 5/64 drillbit 7wraps each .32ohms quad coils on a fogger v4.3

after half tank, no dryhits.....no gurgles......
this thang is as close to a dripper as you can get in a tank!!!

another one of the MANY things i like about rayon!!!!

 

[WharfRat1976]

Here's a tip for those of you that boil your CC, I used my wifes lettuce spinner to dry my organic cotton. I lined the basket with a clean damp white cotton wash cloth (that I also boiled) to keep the cotton away from the slits in the basket.
http://www.target.com/p/oxo-salad-spinner/-/A-628331

NOICE!!! I have a lettuce spinner as well. Wish I thought of it last night but all good....It dried very well hanging on the laundry line