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[HolmanGT]

I did experience some soreness this morning, but I am chalking that up to going through almost 15ml from the time I put the CC in the tanks. And really I only experienced discomfort this morning with a more tart flavlor, sweet or fruit I could go right back to chain vaping where I left off last night.

Despraci,

I don't know what period of time you polished off 15 ml but that is a lot especially if you are talking about yesterday.

As far a sore throat in the AM I have that also but I have that be it real cigs, vaping... whatever. I think I breath thru my mouth when I sleep and it dries out my throat and makes it a little sensitive.

An almost instant cure for me is my first cup of coffee. It wets my parched throat and I do use a creamer which I believe helps put a layer of protection on some of the sensitive parts of my throat (vaping "sunscreen" if you will).

Anyway I have notice for a long time that when I am re-wicking-coiling that thru all the experimenting I consume a lot more juice than I normally would and with rayon I am very much aware of the increased consumption when I get the nic buzz or cold sweats.



PS - if you up your nic level you might not be so inclined to chain smoke. I remember trying light cigs the only thing they did for me was make me wolf them done twice as fast a normal cigs.

 

[vanillayo]

I've gotten the taste of rayon but it goes away after 2-3 hits whereas with cotton it took a bit longer. Still love the stuff! I've gotten the density of the wick down, don't have to use a flavor wick and the flavor is awesome. Oh, and this is on a T3S.

 

[HolmanGT]

I've gotten the taste of rayon but it goes away after 2-3 hits whereas with cotton it took a bit longer. Still love the stuff! I've gotten the density of the wick down, don't have to use a flavor wick and the flavor is awesome. Oh, and this is on a T3S.

vanillayo,

Rebuilding a TS3... you must have been a watchmaker in another life.

 

[Despraci]

Despraci,

I don't know what period of time you polished off 15 ml but that is a lot especially if you are talking about yesterday.

As far a sore throat in the AM I have that also but I have that be it real cigs, vaping... whatever. I think I breath thru my mouth when I sleep and it dries out my throat and makes it a little sensitive.

An almost instant cure for me is my first cup of coffee. It wets my parched throat and I do use a creamer which I believe helps put a layer of protection on some of the sensitive parts of my throat (vaping "sunscreen" if you will).

Anyway I have notice for a long time that when I am re-wicking-coiling that thru all the experimenting I consume a lot more juice than I normally would and with rayon I am very much aware of the increased consumption when I get the nic buzz or cold sweats.



PS - if you up your nic level you might not be so inclined to chain smoke. I remember trying light cigs the only thing they did for me was make me wolf them done twice as fast a normal cigs.

Yeah it was a lot of juice for me yesterday. I work from home, so chain vaping is common for me, but 15ml was a little much. And just like you the first cup of coffee got rid of the irritation. Coffee is one of my favorite beverages to vape with, it's a contrast to everything I vape, so my taste buds never get accustom to just one flavor. I was nic buzzed several times yesterday because of the new flavor experience, even with juice I really didn't care for before I had the CC in.

And I did notice the CC seems to soak up the juice more. I believe it's because it wicks better and give you better vapor. So as you vape it drawing juice into the coil, unlike cotton that seems to reload a few seconds after you take a hit.... CC keeps feeding the coil as you vape and doesn't go dry.

 

[Despraci]

I was stuffing the cc in the coil, unlike cotton where I put it in with light resistance....the cc was getting stuffed in like a hotdog into a fat guys mouth!

No complaints on vapor, flavor, nic hit...just noticed after several days I'm getting throat irritation. I'm going to switch back to koh gen doh and see if my irritation goes away.

Actually wicking with Rayon I would use the analogy. "Like a fat man trying to eat a whole pig" would be more fitting. Think of the coil being the fat guy and the rayon being the pig to feed his appetite.

 

[gorman]

If anyone would care to re-post the a link where to order them and thereby save me going backwards through this thread, I'd appreciate it.

TIDI Cotton and Rayon Balls - MedSupplier.com
Delasco - Rayon Balls

On my part, I'd really appreciate, if you place an order, if you'd share some with me. I'm willing to share costs (shipping to Italy included). I'm afraid the whole package would be cumbersome to ship here as a whole.

 

[HolmanGT]

Yeah it was a lot of juice for me yesterday. I work from home, so chain vaping is common for me, but 15ml was a little much. And just like you the first cup of coffee got rid of the irritation. Coffee is one of my favorite beverages to vape with, it's a contrast to everything I vape, so my taste buds never get accustom to just one flavor. I was nic buzzed several times yesterday because of the new flavor experience, even with juice I really didn't care for before I had the CC in.

And I did notice the CC seems to soak up the juice more. I believe it's because it wicks better and give you better vapor. So as you vape it drawing juice into the coil, unlike cotton that seems to reload a few seconds after you take a hit.... CC keeps feeding the coil as you vape and doesn't go dry.

Been there done that.

I also rotate flavors in fact I usually have four or five mods and tanks all loaded up and continually switch from one to another. It is a pain keeping track of what is in what mod but if I don't my taste buds shut off to whatever flavor I stick with too long.

I use 24 mg and find if I go any lower I just end up chain puffing.

 

[Tbev]

Lots of people try to nic down too fast, if your vaping a lot more don't worry about it, not like nic is really a bad thing.

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[Flavored]

vanillayo,

Rebuilding a TS3... you must have been a watchmaker in another life.

Nah, they use very similar coils to the PT's. It is the older T3 that requires a surgeon. I re-did a couple dozen of those to send out to folks, not easy to get the grommet and pin back in and snip the wires close.

OTOH, I've sent 6 of the T3S out with a spare head, 10 wrap 29g, wicked with CC, and I fold about a foot of the CC into the envelope for the eventual re-wicks. Getting very good feedback on the whole setup (one recipient said "sweet baby Jesus"), great flavor and the wicking seems to prevent the typical BCC ooze of a leak. Really good step up for folks.

 

[Rossum]

TIDI Cotton and Rayon Balls - MedSupplier.com
Delasco - Rayon Balls

On my part, I'd really appreciate, if you place an order, if you'd share some with me. I'm willing to share costs (shipping to Italy included). I'm afraid the whole package would be cumbersome to ship here as a whole.

Thanks! Delasco doesn't seem to want your business unless you're in whatever goofy industry they serve, so I've ordered some from MedSupplier. When you see me post that I've gotten them and tried them, feel free to PM me a reminder and I'll send you some.

 

[Rossum]

Lots of people try to nic down too fast

I've got 4 noisy young nieces and nephews underfoot this week. I'm thinking about increasing my nic.

 

[awsum140]

Heck, T3 originals are a snap! All it takes is a pair of strong tweezers to get the grommet out and in. I rebuild them all the time. Try a CE3 if you want to work really small. The ceramic cup for the coil/wick is about an eighth of an inch in diameter and the coil/wicks sit horizontally across the diameter.

 

[djironic]

So, still playing with the Cellucotton, and here's my experience so far:

Straight from the box < rinsed < boiled when it comes to the nasty, bitter (minerally? salty? machine oily?) "flavor". I don't know if I got a bad batch of CC, or if I'm not wicking correctly, or what, but the bitterness is very apparent without at least rinsing, and takes at least 2-3ml to tone down. Rinsing reduced that to maybe about .5 - 1ml, and boiled reduced it down even further, though I couldn't remove it completely without at least a little bit of "break in" time. And, weirdly enough, I could swear that some hits, even several mls in, will have that bitter aspect to it, but it's not a regular thing (and maybe all in my head ).

Straight from the box > rinsed > boiled when it comes to performance, but that stands to reason. I do my best to fluff up the fibers before wicking, but the juice transfer is certainly best if you handle the fiber least.

I notice that leaving a wick with a tank of juice overnight seems to really improve performance, too, though it's not always as consistent as I might have expected. Occasionally it seems to run a bit more "dry" than other times. I've checked my build after soaking, and the wick is filling the coil, not "kinked" anywhere, and not blocking the juice channels (on my Kayfun), so I'm a little stumped, but overall, that's kind of a nit that I also experienced with cotton...

Flavor-wise, I'm not noticing a ton of difference boiled organic cotton to CC, but I do like that CC absorbs a lot less juice, so changing juice doesn't require a rewick like cotton does.

Vapor production is as good if not better than cotton, so that's a win.

A couple of times, my coil has gunked up way faster than I would have expected given everyone else's experience (10-15ml), but the same would have happened with cotton, I'm sure.

Overall, I'm liking the CC, but I'm still not in love with it. Not like going from silica to cotton, lol, but I see some potential if I can get some of the bugs worked out.

Maybe someone who experiences *no* adverse flavor from their CC could send me a small sample to compare and determine if I just happened to pick up a bad batch? Or if interested, I could send a sample of mine to someone willing to brave it, lol.

 

[Tbev]

Way to go @Flavored! Great idea!

For everyone who doesn't know @Flavored ored is spreading the word on CASAA and rayon check out his thread too!

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=558927
CASAA Membership Drive

 

[SlickWilly]

So, still playing with the Cellucotton, and here's my experience so far:

Straight from the box < rinsed < boiled when it comes to the nasty, bitter (minerally? salty? machine oily?) "flavor". I don't know if I got a bad batch of CC, or if I'm not wicking correctly, or what, but the bitterness is very apparent without at least rinsing, and takes at least 2-3ml to tone down. Rinsing reduced that to maybe about .5 - 1ml, and boiled reduced it down even further, though I couldn't remove it completely without at least a little bit of "break in" time. And, weirdly enough, I could swear that some hits, even several mls in, will have that bitter aspect to it, but it's not a regular thing (and maybe all in my head ).

Straight from the box > rinsed > boiled when it comes to performance, but that stands to reason. I do my best to fluff up the fibers before wicking, but the juice transfer is certainly best if you handle the fiber least.

I notice that leaving a wick with a tank of juice overnight seems to really improve performance, too, though it's not always as consistent as I might have expected. Occasionally it seems to run a bit more "dry" than other times. I've checked my build after soaking, and the wick is filling the coil, not "kinked" anywhere, and not blocking the juice channels (on my Kayfun), so I'm a little stumped, but overall, that's kind of a nit that I also experienced with cotton...

Flavor-wise, I'm not noticing a ton of difference boiled organic cotton to CC, but I do like that CC absorbs a lot less juice, so changing juice doesn't require a rewick like cotton does.

Vapor production is as good if not better than cotton, so that's a win.

A couple of times, my coil has gunked up way faster than I would have expected given everyone else's experience (10-15ml), but the same would have happened with cotton, I'm sure.

Overall, I'm liking the CC, but I'm still not in love with it. Not like going from silica to cotton, lol, but I see some potential if I can get some of the bugs worked out.

Maybe someone who experiences *no* adverse flavor from their CC could send me a small sample to compare and determine if I just happened to pick up a bad batch? Or if interested, I could send a sample of mine to someone willing to brave it, lol.

I took Jeremy's advice and also tried the rayon thats used as a filler and comes in a bottle of the Spring Valley brand 1mg Melatonin supplement sold at WalMart. Try that and compare to the CC, if your still getting the same bad taste then it's not the rayon. I have both and I didn't get any taste from the CC or see any big difference. Well I take that back, I did get a bad taste once but then relized I had used lotion on my hands and I had apperantly gotten it on the rayon, now I wash my hands before wicking. BTW, the Melatonin comes in other mg strengths but for some reason the 1mg bottle is bigger and you'll get more rayon from it then the others.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Spring-Valley-Melatonin-1mg-Dietary-Supplement-120ct/15136798

 

[Jdbaker82]

can someone post a video on YouTube of a good wicking for a kayfun /Russian with cellucotton I am not having any luck with it and just went back to organic cotton... dry hits why why why why

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[Despraci]

can someone post a video on YouTube of a good wicking for a kayfun /Russian with cellucotton I am not having any luck with it and just went back to organic cotton... dry hits why why why why

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It it as you normally work... but with one major change. Put as much through the coil as you possibly can... to the point you have to give it a slight twist and untwist to move it through the coil. This would be the point that it be too much for cotton, but great for CC. Keep your juice channels clear, but you don't have to be as .... as you are with cotton because this shrinks when it gets wet and won't go into the channel and then clog it as easily. I find it a lot easier to wick a Kayfun and faster with CC because I can turn my OCD off for once.

#1 shove thru the hole
#2 cut to length to touch the deck.
#3 keep it away from the channels slightly
#4 assemble the rest and fill her up.
#5 sit back and enjoy.

If you have OCD like I do.. turn it off. CC is like hundreds of little fire hoses who's job is to transport the liquid from where it got it (it doesn't care where) to the fire. That's what it does and it does it very well.

Also, make sure you have no vacuum leaks in your Kayfun, that would cause issues regardless of the wicking material.

 

[SlickWilly]

Nah, they use very similar coils to the PT's. It is the older T3 that requires a surgeon. I re-did a couple dozen of those to send out to folks, not easy to get the grommet and pin back in and snip the wires close.

OTOH, I've sent 6 of the T3S out with a spare head, 10 wrap 29g, wicked with CC, and I fold about a foot of the CC into the envelope for the eventual re-wicks. Getting very good feedback on the whole setup (one recipient said "sweet baby Jesus"), great flavor and the wicking seems to prevent the typical BCC ooze of a leak. Really good step up for folks.

Flavored,

That sounds interesting, what kind of ohm's are you hitting with the 10 wrap 29g coil?
Edit: I guess I should have also asked, what ID is the coil?

Thanks,
Willy

 

[Aal_]

It it as you normally work... but with one major change. Put as much through the coil as you possibly can... to the point you have to give it a slight twist and untwist to move it through the coil. This would be the point that it be too much for cotton, but great for CC. Keep your juice channels clear, but you don't have to be as .... as you are with cotton because this shrinks when it gets wet and won't go into the channel and then clog it as easily. I find it a lot easier to wick a Kayfun and faster with CC because I can turn my OCD off for once.

#1 shove thru the hole
#2 cut to length to touch the deck.
#3 keep it away from the channels slightly
#4 assemble the rest and fill her up.
#5 sit back and enjoy.

If you have OCD like I do.. turn it off. CC is like hundreds of little fire hoses who's job is to transport the liquid from where it got it (it doesn't care where) to the fire. That's what it does and it does it very well.

Also, make sure you have no vacuum leaks in your Kayfun, that would cause issues regardless of the wicking material.

Hey man, question what is the diameter of the coil and at what power/ohms are you running? Mine is at 1/16 diameter and 18+ watts. Couldn't make it work in kayfun until recently with very small amount of rayon and lots of sucking. I will re wick again with a bigger amount because it makes sense more and it should work.

 

[JeremyR]

Just got back from an unscheduled break.. Lots of craziness. Mega storms moving through northern Illinois the last few days. While working in torrential down pours my iphone got flooded out in my pocket and ruined. My powers been out at the house since last night, no internet, Just got a replacement phone.. Time to catch up..