Rayon wick, better flow, flavor, saturation and Nic Hit!

[AMDTrucking]

I do exactly that. I moist the wick with e-liquid and sort of glue the tails of it to the deck walls away from the juice channels. That works great with organic cotton. With Rayon though, I'm bound to get dry hits at some point no matter what I try.
I'm not sure I understand at what angle to cut the wick thought. Maybe that is my salvation?

These guys are lacking Rayon:

And these guys are running Rayon and are happy:

 

[anumber1]

Day five with everything I use wicked with rayon.

kayfun, Magma, Igo-w and an Atomic.

I have not found a downside over cotton yet. Rayon is better with everything!

So cheap and easy I am just amazed.

This thread rocks! I am sure it cut my learning curve by 90%!

Thanks all!

 

[mikeylab]

i tried a rayon wick for the first time today. In comparison to cotton I have noticed that, wicking ≈ .4 ohm Tobh using 18650, that the vapor is a little cooler, and strong flavors are less intense (which I like). It definitely wicks better, and I have yet to get a dry tasting hit. Same in my kayfun. I can chain vape without getting the burt taste after a while like I did with cotton. Vapor density and volume seem to on par with cotton. I wicked it so that the rayon is densely packed in the coils. Thanks for the advice!

 

[HolmanGT]

AMDTrucking,

I cut mine to just touch the build deck and stick them with juice to the back wall. I don't trim at an angle actually I don't know what angle they are trimming to either. But if it ain't broke...

This is working great on my Kayfun 3.1 (clone) I drilled out the air holes a little and that made everything better. My other two Kayfun (clones) are lites and I haven't gotten around to drilling them out. I just cleaned them up getting ready for the drilling and discovered that the entrance holes into the center post (pos. Post) the holes are smaller in the center shaft and about 1/3 covered by the center post insulator. Don't know what I can do about that... maybe use a Dremel and try to elongate the holes in a direction up and away from the insulator. Ugh, if it ain't one thing it's another.

 

[mnealtx]

I'm not sure I understand at what angle to cut the wick thought. Maybe that is my salvation?

You want to trim at an angle - if you look at the wick when it's sticking straight out from the coil, you want to cut where it comes to a point as it hits the deck.

Bad paint pic attached:

 

[HolmanGT]

You want to trim at an angle - if you look at the wick when it's sticking straight out from the coil, you want to cut where it comes to a point as it hits the deck.

Bad paint pic attached:

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Look at the picture twice cut once... I can deal with that. Thanks.

 

[bsoplinger]

Well, I added one magnet this morning. I had two, which was ideal until it wasn't. I don't really know why it started doing it - it didn't before. With the extra magnet it will not auto-fire.

I'm now vaping the "boiled" juice, and it tastes just fine.

The 10 pack of Nemesis magnets that FastTech sells for under $4 is the thing to get. Use 3 in a Nemesis, you have spares in case some broke during shipping, you broke one during installation or when you dropped the mod. They really are so brittle that they do break if the mod hits the right, or is it wrong, way.

I had an auto fire issue with a Stingray this past weekend. Tons of condensed juice running down the mod from the vapor leaking from the air hole in the Kayfun, entire mod burning hot. Same results as you. "Burned" juice tasted just fine and the wick wasn't black nor burnt.

And even though, it is made by one of the better "Clone Manufacturer" it is NOT a clone, it is an original design of EHPro Company.

They've recently released a few non clone products. All seem to be decently made if perhaps a bit lacking in terms of American sensibilities in the design.

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[WideO]

Yeah, I have 2 of those packs. They are almost as expensive as rayon!

As an aside, I'm now using rayon in a Magma for the first time. 3mm dual coil, 27 gauge, 0.6 ohm, very impressed so far.

 

[AMDTrucking]

The 10 pack of Nemesis magnets that FastTech sells for under $4 is the thing to get. Use 3 in a Nemesis, you have spares in case some broke during shipping, you broke one during installation or when you dropped the mod. They really are so brittle that they do break if the mod hits the right, or is it wrong, way.

I had an auto fire issue with a Stingray this past weekend. Tons of condensed juice running down the mod from the vapor leaking from the air hole in the Kayfun, entire mod burning hot. Same results as you. "Burned" juice tasted just fine and the wick wasn't black nor burnt.


They've recently released a few non clone products. All seem to be decently made if perhaps a bit lacking in terms of American sensibilities in the design.

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I know. I bought an HCigar Halmsman 26650 Mechanical mod. What a piece of crap that is!!! It fires 25% of the time.

 

[Jerms]

Watched Phil B's wick video..

Not too much surprises. He noticed things that I've noticed too. Organic cotton having an off flavor at first, and just overall not being that great. KGD and rayon offering clean flavor immediately, pure flavor, and quick wicking action. Rayon offering a little quicker switch when changing flavors and gunking a little slower than KGD.

I have found more of a flavor difference between rayon and KGD than he reported. Rayon offers a subtle, but still noticable boost for many juices I've tried. My guess is he was using too much rayon which negated that effect. I overstuffed my KFL with rayon and while it performed great and wicked well, and the flavor was good, that flavor wasn't as saturated and potent when using less wick. Either way, I think the flavor differences aren't really that noteworthy overall. One may work better than the other depending on the juice and someone's personal preferences, but they both provide amazing flavor.

Like Phil, I also don't notice a difference in throat hit, vapor production, or nic delivery between the two, though some have reported that they do.

One bonus to KGD he didn't report on is it's the easiest and quickest to wick, and best at providing repeatable results without practice. KGD and CCr means there's two pretty fantastic options for wicking that in my opinion are heads above organic cotton, sterile rolled cotton, and silica. KGD for those who get a sore throat from CCr, and CCr for those who always notice a cotton taste with any cotton.

 

[ed101z]

^ +1
Great post Jerms. If anyone out there can give a review, it's definitely you. And since you use NET juices, I just know I can take your word to the bank.

I have some KGD on the way. Ordered it Monday, and ironically... discovered the CelluCotton today. So far, this CCr is best wicking material I've used since starting this journey of vaping. But I do have a lot of experimenting to do with both KGD, and CCr. I'll be stalking these threads posting experiences that I may have.

Good to see ya btw. I'll have to check out the Natural Tobaccos thread to discover new venders out there.

 

[Dusty_D]

Here's a theory type question for you folks. What would work better with Rayon? 28g, 2.3mm (3/32), 6/7 wraps for around 1.2ohm vs 26g, 2.3mm, 9/10 wraps for around 1.2ohm? So, fewer wrap thinner wire vs more wraps thicker wire. Running at around 12W.

I re-coiled 2 of my KFL's tonight with an angled build where I'm running the wick in an S-shape to the deck. It was a little kludgy to set the wicks, but I figured if Busardo can get away with his clunky wicks, then I should be fine for at least the rest of the evening with what I did.

Builds seem to be working well, but I was curious if I should build with 26g next.

Thoughts?

 

[Jerms]

^ +1
Great post Jerms. If anyone out there can give a review, it's definitely you. And since you use NET juices, I just know I can take your word to the bank.

I have some KGD on the way. Ordered it Monday, and ironically... discovered the CelluCotton today. So far, this CCr is best wicking material I've used since starting this journey of vaping. But I do have a lot of experimenting to do with both KGD, and CCr. I'll be stalking these threads posting experiences that I may have.

Good to see ya btw. I'll have to check out the Natural Tobaccos thread to discover new venders out there.

Thanks for the compliment Ed! Good to see you too. There's enough differences between CCr and KGD that I think most would have a preference. For me it's CCr by a hair, but that may change after trying KGD again after using rayon for a bit. Honestly, I could pick either one and be more than happy with it.

New stuff popping up in the NET world almost weekly, drop on by!

Here's a theory type question for you folks. What would work better with Rayon? 28g, 2.3mm (3/32), 6/7 wraps for around 1.2ohm vs 26g, 2.3mm, 9/10 wraps for around 1.2ohm? So, fewer wrap thinner wire vs more wraps thicker wire. Running at around 12W.

I re-coiled 2 of my KFL's tonight with an angled build where I'm running the wick in an S-shape to the deck. It was a little kludgy to set the wicks, but I figured if Busardo can get away with his clunky wicks, then I should be fine for at least the rest of the evening with what I did.

Builds seem to be working well, but I was curious if I should build with 26g next.

Thoughts?

I can't offer much, other than I'm assuming 12 watts with a 26ga coil would heat noticably slower than the 28ga coil. Would probably want to bump up the power for the 26ga for good performance. I do notice much better flavor from thicker wire going from 30ga to 28ga, so maybe 26ga powered properly would be even better?

 

[Dusty_D]

I can't offer much, other than I'm assuming 12 watts with a 26ga coil would heat noticably slower than the 28ga coil. Would probably want to bump up the power for the 26ga for good performance. I do notice much better flavor from thicker wire going from 30ga to 28ga, so maybe 26ga powered properly would be even better?

You just want to hear me say that I'm vaping at 15-16W dont'cha?!

 

[bsoplinger]

Here's a theory type question for you folks. What would work better with Rayon? 28g, 2.3mm (3/32), 6/7 wraps for around 1.2ohm vs 26g, 2.3mm, 9/10 wraps for around 1.2ohm? So, fewer wrap thinner wire vs more wraps thicker wire. Running at around 12W.

You've got it wrong, 26 gauge is thicker than 28. Gauge comes from the number of things, all of the same size, that fit into some standard sized opening. Probably could wiki the exact standard but its unimportant. It just makes it easier to understand and perhaps remember that lower numbers means bigger

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[Jerms]

You just want to hear me say that I'm vaping at 15-16W dont'cha?!

Just want to see you reach the inevitable quicker

 

[Dusty_D]

You've got it wrong, 26 gauge is thicker than 28. Gauge comes from the number of things, all of the same size, that fit into some standard sized opening. Probably could wiki the exact standard but its unimportant. It just makes it easier to understand and perhaps remember that lower numbers means bigger

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But.. but.. that's what I said.

Fewer wrap thinner wire, i.e 28g vs more wraps thicker wire, i.e 26g. Or, am I misunderstanding you?

 

[Jerms]

You've got it wrong, 26 gauge is thicker than 28. Gauge comes from the number of things, all of the same size, that fit into some standard sized opening. Probably could wiki the exact standard but its unimportant. It just makes it easier to understand and perhaps remember that lower numbers means bigger

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Hmmmm, you may have read that wrong, Dusty had it right.

 

[Dusty_D]

Just want to see you reach the inevitable quicker

 

[bsoplinger]

But.. but.. that's what I said.

Fewer wrap thinner wire, i.e 28g vs more wraps thicker wire, i.e 26g. Or, am I misunderstanding you?

Hmmmm, you may have read that wrong, Dusty had it right.

Sorry, yes obviously I read it as the other way. Apologies.

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