Rayon wick, better flow, flavor, saturation and Nic Hit!

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This is the wick I'm running today...
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In a cyclone at .9 on my 18490 woodvil with only one spare battery. On a rainy day. Because I'm dumb and like to live dangerously. Flavor improved vastly over my scarecrow stuffed first two attempts.
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Yeah... That's why I was thinking about getting the tencel stuff mentioned way back in the thread. It's chemically treated but supposedly with a safe chemical. I mean, anything wick related is probably treated with something... and I plan on boiling whatever I get. Can't be too safe with stuff you're inhaling. I get crap flavor from silica, personally.. MUTE city.

Rin,

Rayon basically starts from wood pulp. It is treated (with harsh acids and bases) and processed (i.e. spun, etc) during the manufacturing process. The basic procedure is a) Break down and extract the cellulose from the wood, b) Re-spin the cellulose into long, fine fibers. So it's basically a purification stage, followed by a "re-assembly" stage. Rayon is a manufactured material, although the raw material is basically wood. I wouldn't say the fibers are "treated" with chemicals, rather they are "created" with chemicals.

If you'd like the details of the whole process typically used:
Rayon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Although the process sounds pretty nasty, it is a very effective process for getting pure cellulose fibers as the end result. The chemicals used (Lye, carbon disulfide and Sulphuric Acid) aren't things I'd like to keep around the home, but they are simple and powerful chemicals that do the job of purification very well. Someone commented earlier that "This stuff is so white, it must have some chemical treatment done to it" but the fact is, it's so white because it is basically very pure material. Things like the glaze used on your coffee cup have much more potential for harmful contaminants.

It is up to you whether or not to trust this as a wicking material, but I hope you can see the difference between the process and the product!
 

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So these only come in huge boxes? That's a turn off for me.

Yeah you can get a huge 40ft box for 3.50

I've found rayon to still give that dry feeling to the flavor.. I'm glad many are enjoying it. I wish I could. I hate rewicking cotton so much.:(

If you get a dry feeling from cotton or rayon I don't get it. Do you vape pg?

See, I get that dry feeling from cotton. I have been searching relentlessly for the perfect (or even workable) wicking material, to no avail. Each type has negatives that I can't get past. Cotton seems to irritate me. (throat irritation, and that dry/scratchy feeling... even with the expensive Koh Den Go or whatever) Silica gives me no ill effects but just mutes the crap out of flavor for me. ReadyXWick is good but isn't absorbent/doesn't retain juice well. Bamboo is ok but is tricky to worth with. Hemp has a weird flavor note and doesn't work well in my tanks.

Hello rin, haven't crossed paths with you for a while. I have tried all wicking materials and this product is the purest wick ever. Zero flavor imparted into the juice. Wicks incredibly fast. You use silica, now that I can not do.. I've got 40ft of high grade 3mm silica if you want it, it has a price tag of 50.00 on it from silicawicks I paid 40 I think. Like cooking vaping can go wrong if you don't do it just right.
 
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If you get a dry feeling from cotton or rayon I don't get it. Do you vape pg?

I don't get it from cotton. It's just about 3 days if I rotate all my atty's that I have to change cotton. I don't vape anything higher than 50%pg.

It's weird. It's not bad..I could deal with it.. it's just dry. I guess I can just taste it or something... who knows.
 

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I for One am MUCH more Concerned, and have been for some time, On WHAT Flavorings are doing to our lungs.. These Flavorings were never meant to be inhaled and no one knows much about them. So If you are scared about Rayon Hurting you, You Should really be Scared about what Flavoring with Known Risks are doing to us including vanillas, Cremes, Etc.. Much more risk IMHO...
 

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I just recently tried unflavored as I was having taste issues. I decided to lower my nic and raise the vg and had mixed some 16mg 33/66. Tastes pretty good considering. Very similar to light cig smoke.

I'm still puzzled about how to get this stuff to work with a gennie. Wonder if you could wrap a ss cable or mesh?
 

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I for One am MUCH more Concerned, and have been for some time, On WHAT Flavorings are doing to our lungs.. These Flavorings were never meant to be inhaled and no one knows much about them. So If you are scared about Rayon Hurting you, You Should really be Scared about what Flavoring with Known Risks are doing to us including vanillas, Cremes, Etc.. Much more risk IMHO...

This is why I make my own flavors, and too save $$. Many flavors contain Diacetyl, Acetoin, Acetyl Propionyl, especially custards, butterscotch, anything that has a buttery tone. I buy concentrated flavors that have been tested for lung inhalation chemicals. Only a few company actually provide testing on the flavorings. One company actually has a separate concentrated flavor product line specific to e-liquid mixes. Thus mixing it myself, I know exactly what is in my juice.

Edit: Diacetyl, Acetoin, Acetyl Propionyl causes Popcorn lung.
 
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I just recently tried unflavored as I was having taste issues. I decided to lower my nic and raise the vg and had mixed some 16mg 33/66. Tastes pretty good considering. Very similar to light cig smoke.

I'm still puzzled about how to get this stuff to work with a gennie. Wonder if you could wrap a ss cable or mesh?

Have you ever made cotton wicks for a genny,, ? Like that I'd assume,...... What is your problem with it?
 

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This is why I make my own flavors, and too save $$. Many flavors contain Diacetyl, Acetoin, Acetyl Propionyl, especially custards, butterscotch, anything that has a buttery tone. I buy concentrated flavors that have been tested for lung inhalation chemicals. Only a few company actually provide testing on the flavorings. One company actually has a separate concentrated flavor product line specific to e-liquid mixes. Thus mixing it myself, I know exactly what is in my juice.

Edit: Diacetyl, Acetoin, Acetyl Propionyl causes Popcorn lung.

congrats Bry. I do the same.
 

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Rin,

Rayon basically starts from wood pulp. It is treated (with harsh acids and bases) and processed (i.e. spun, etc) during the manufacturing process. The basic procedure is a) Break down and extract the cellulose from the wood, b) Re-spin the cellulose into long, fine fibers. So it's basically a purification stage, followed by a "re-assembly" stage. Rayon is a manufactured material, although the raw material is basically wood. I wouldn't say the fibers are "treated" with chemicals, rather they are "created" with chemicals.

If you'd like the details of the whole process typically used:
Rayon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Although the process sounds pretty nasty, it is a very effective process for getting pure cellulose fibers as the end result. The chemicals used (Lye, carbon disulfide and Sulphuric Acid) aren't things I'd like to keep around the home, but they are simple and powerful chemicals that do the job of purification very well. Someone commented earlier that "This stuff is so white, it must have some chemical treatment done to it" but the fact is, it's so white because it is basically very pure material. Things like the glaze used on your coffee cup have much more potential for harmful contaminants.

It is up to you whether or not to trust this as a wicking material, but I hope you can see the difference between the process and the product!
Yeah... I did read up on it... and according to what I read that Tencil stuff is supposed to be created/treated with safer chemicals.
 
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