Rayon wick, better flow, flavor, saturation and Nic Hit!
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I tried this method and seem to have the same problem this time, got about 1/2 through one tank and starting to get funny tasting sorta dry hits, maybe I'm still using too much. Made another with even less CC and just started it, so we'll see how long this one lasts. If it still doesn't I don't know what to do, its barely enough to even fill the coil.
BTW, vaping at 1.4-1.6 ohms, 11.5W
Looks like far too little in the coil... The first pic looked like decent density in the coil. I think your stuck on how cotton works and this doesn't work like cotton.
It's about as difficult as learning to use cotton for the first time. Took me quite a while to learn cotton in the beginning, actually a few months before I figured it out.. If you consider yourself a vaping expert... Your basically starting all over again with rayon. It's a unique wick.
It's where the wick goes through the deck and into the tank that it needs attention. It needs to have less density than the coil. If the tail is as thick as the rayon in the coil it won't wick very well against gravity.
None the less it's not easy on a genni.
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Well, this is troubling... I'm havin' some trouble gettin' rayon to work with my Squape R and I'm stumped. I've tried several types of wicking techniques, and I have a tendency towards dry, ashy (not dry, metal-y) hits, which go away briefly after sitting for a while, but come right back after two or three hits. It doesn't really matter how tight the airflow is, either. These builds are Ni200, with my Hana Modz DNA40.
The rayon's always inserted with double insertion, has the proper rayon 'squeak' in the coil, but no matter what I do, nothing seems to work. I've done the 'fan' method (cutting at an angle even with the edge of the coil all the way to the edge of the channel, with the rayon 'fanned up'), but that leaks like crazy and has dry hits. A modified 'fan' method with that cuts off just inside the wick channels (so there's a full wick in the channel; no more leaks, but still dry hits). I've tried with angle cuts from just inside the channels with a significantly thinned tail (from as much as 1/4 of the full wick, to as little as about 1/12th of the full wick), and still dry hits. I've even done the full, 'flush with the build deck edge' full wick. Dry hits everywhere. I've even tried the different wicks tails flush or trailing down the juice channels with angle cut tails, no help.
Any thoughts, gentlemen? I really don't wanna have to go back to the Rose V2, considering I love building in the Squape R, and love the wide, open draw of the two biggest airholes, but... Any thoughts would be appreciated!
Keep on vaping, everyone!
-Laters...
kgs-wy
The rayon's always inserted with double insertion, has the proper rayon 'squeak' in the coil, but no matter what I do, nothing seems to work. I've done the 'fan' method (cutting at an angle even with the edge of the coil all the way to the edge of the channel, with the rayon 'fanned up'), but that leaks like crazy and has dry hits. A modified 'fan' method with that cuts off just inside the wick channels (so there's a full wick in the channel; no more leaks, but still dry hits). I've tried with angle cuts from just inside the channels with a significantly thinned tail (from as much as 1/4 of the full wick, to as little as about 1/12th of the full wick), and still dry hits. I've even done the full, 'flush with the build deck edge' full wick. Dry hits everywhere. I've even tried the different wicks tails flush or trailing down the juice channels with angle cut tails, no help.
Any thoughts, gentlemen? I really don't wanna have to go back to the Rose V2, considering I love building in the Squape R, and love the wide, open draw of the two biggest airholes, but... Any thoughts would be appreciated!
Keep on vaping, everyone!
-Laters...
kgs-wy
Well, this is troubling... I'm havin' some trouble gettin' rayon to work with my Squape R and I'm stumped. I've tried several types of wicking techniques, and I have a tendency towards dry, ashy (not dry, metal-y) hits, which go away briefly after sitting for a while, but come right back after two or three hits. It doesn't really matter how tight the airflow is, either. These builds are Ni200, with my Hana Modz DNA40.
The rayon's always inserted with double insertion, has the proper rayon 'squeak' in the coil, but no matter what I do, nothing seems to work. I've done the 'fan' method (cutting at an angle even with the edge of the coil all the way to the edge of the channel, with the rayon 'fanned up'), but that leaks like crazy and has dry hits. A modified 'fan' method with that cuts off just inside the wick channels (so there's a full wick in the channel; no more leaks, but still dry hits). I've tried with angle cuts from just inside the channels with a significantly thinned tail (from as much as 1/4 of the full wick, to as little as about 1/12th of the full wick), and still dry hits. I've even done the full, 'flush with the build deck edge' full wick. Dry hits everywhere. I've even tried the different wicks tails flush or trailing down the juice channels with angle cut tails, no help.
Any thoughts, gentlemen? I really don't wanna have to go back to the Rose V2, considering I love building in the Squape R, and love the wide, open draw of the two biggest airholes, but... Any thoughts would be appreciated!
Keep on vaping, everyone!
-Laters...
kgs-wy
Pick a build and wicking method. Take a picture of it and post it. Use it, and when it stops working right, take another picture of it, and post it along with the settings you're using it at.
We'll figure it out.
Pick a build and wicking method. Take a picture of it and post it. Use it, and when it stops working right, take another picture of it, and post it along with the settings you're using it at.
We'll figure it out.
^^^^^
This is the easiest way for us to assist.
Sorry no squape here.
Sorry for the quality, this is my latest, and so far most effective, build in my SquapeR.
First view is the overhead. Unfortunately, the trimming I've done to the coil ends is next to invisible, especially on the right side. The wicks in the channels from just past the inner edge of the build deck is somewhere between 1/6th and 1/8th of the whole wick diameter. I also trimmed above the wick channel a li'l bit, but as can be seen, especially on the right side, there's still a bit of wick peaking above the top of the build deck (sitting just a bit above the coil's height). The left hand side has 'sunken' in a bit, as compared to the right, I'm wondering if that's havin' something to do with the dry hits; oddly, they were identical when I originally did the wick, so I have no idea why the disparity exists here.
This is the right side view; you can see some of the taper at the very end, but much like an RDA with thinned tails, the rayon spread -- or at least tried to spread -- out as it was wet down with liquid.
Here's the left side; it's tapered similarly to the left side, but due to being out of focus it's not as visible.
Common convention with cotton in the SquapeR is to trim the tails flush. When I did that with rayon, it failed spectacularly, dry hits no matter what. I'm wondering if I should trim the tails even further (to about 1/16 the original wick diameter), and have them down to about the same depth in the channel as these pics, or possibly all the way down to the bottom of the wick channel. Thoughts?
Keep on vaping, everyone!
-Laters...!
kgs-wy
First view is the overhead. Unfortunately, the trimming I've done to the coil ends is next to invisible, especially on the right side. The wicks in the channels from just past the inner edge of the build deck is somewhere between 1/6th and 1/8th of the whole wick diameter. I also trimmed above the wick channel a li'l bit, but as can be seen, especially on the right side, there's still a bit of wick peaking above the top of the build deck (sitting just a bit above the coil's height). The left hand side has 'sunken' in a bit, as compared to the right, I'm wondering if that's havin' something to do with the dry hits; oddly, they were identical when I originally did the wick, so I have no idea why the disparity exists here.
This is the right side view; you can see some of the taper at the very end, but much like an RDA with thinned tails, the rayon spread -- or at least tried to spread -- out as it was wet down with liquid.
Here's the left side; it's tapered similarly to the left side, but due to being out of focus it's not as visible.
Common convention with cotton in the SquapeR is to trim the tails flush. When I did that with rayon, it failed spectacularly, dry hits no matter what. I'm wondering if I should trim the tails even further (to about 1/16 the original wick diameter), and have them down to about the same depth in the channel as these pics, or possibly all the way down to the bottom of the wick channel. Thoughts?
Keep on vaping, everyone!
-Laters...!
kgs-wy
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Wick looks to be plenty wet. There's a lot of spatter around the coil. What juice, and what settings? That's a twisted coil in there right?
Dammit, the right side ended up being a clone of the left side, sorry! Fixed now.
Dunno why there's so much spatter around the coil, either, never suffered that overly much with my Kayfuns, Rose V2 or my drippers. And yeah, it is a twisted .28 ga. Ni200 coil, 0.1Ω, which is a little below the DNA40's supposed sweet spot. Sadly, it's still the best working rayon build I've had in the Squape R as yet. The liquids have been mostly Good Life Vapor liquids, Atom Bomb (fairly high PG), High Five and Orange Blossom (both fairly high VG), the latter two being very sweet. I've varied wattage between 35W and 40W, temp between 400° and 450°, 420° (lol) being just about the least likely to produce dry hits while giving acceptable VTF. Another thing that bugs me is how the right hand side of the wick is darkened, unlike the left hand side, which is much lighter in color. Like I said, this is the most frustration I've had with rayon, but I really, really don't want to go back to cotton!
Keep on vaping, everyone!
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kgs-wy
Yeah, I know the wick looks wet, that's what's throwin' me off so damn much!
Dunno why there's so much spatter around the coil, either, never suffered that overly much with my Kayfuns, Rose V2 or my drippers. And yeah, it is a twisted .28 ga. Ni200 coil, 0.1Ω, which is a little below the DNA40's supposed sweet spot. Sadly, it's still the best working rayon build I've had in the Squape R as yet. The liquids have been mostly Good Life Vapor liquids, Atom Bomb (fairly high PG), High Five and Orange Blossom (both fairly high VG), the latter two being very sweet. I've varied wattage between 35W and 40W, temp between 400° and 450°, 420° (lol) being just about the least likely to produce dry hits while giving acceptable VTF. Another thing that bugs me is how the right hand side of the wick is darkened, unlike the left hand side, which is much lighter in color. Like I said, this is the most frustration I've had with rayon, but I really, really don't want to go back to cotton! Keep on vaping, everyone!
-Laters...!
kgs-wy
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Dammit, the right side ended up being a clone of the left side, sorry! Fixed now.
Yeah, I know the wick looks wet, that's what's throwin' me off so damn much!
Keep on vaping, everyone!
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kgs-wy
KGS,
You might want to try raising the coil so that the bottom of the coil is just about the coil deck not down in the slot.
I read some place a person claimed he got a better vape that way. So when I got my Squape that is the only way I have built it and never had any trouble with dry hits.
I also noticed you have a lot of gunk buildup on top side of the coil which may be an indication of strange air flow over the coil. For me the gunk buildup is usually on the side directly in the air flow and the other side is relatively clean (maybe a product of being down in the slot).
PS - Check YouTube for the type of build I have mentioned. I think that is where I picked up the idea of raising the coil.
Edit: I said that wrong the gunk is on the correct side the side opposite the air flow But I still would give raising the coil higher a try. Sorry for stating the air flow thing wrong.
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Well, you didn't ask us LADIES but I guess I'll reply anyway.Well, this is troubling... I'm havin' some trouble gettin' rayon to work with my Squape R and I'm stumped. I've tried several types of wicking techniques, and I have a tendency towards dry, ashy (not dry, metal-y) hits, which go away briefly after sitting for a while, but come right back after two or three hits. It doesn't really matter how tight the airflow is, either. These builds are Ni200, with my Hana Modz DNA40.
The rayon's always inserted with double insertion, has the proper rayon 'squeak' in the coil, but no matter what I do, nothing seems to work. I've done the 'fan' method (cutting at an angle even with the edge of the coil all the way to the edge of the channel, with the rayon 'fanned up'), but that leaks like crazy and has dry hits. A modified 'fan' method with that cuts off just inside the wick channels (so there's a full wick in the channel; no more leaks, but still dry hits). I've tried with angle cuts from just inside the channels with a significantly thinned tail (from as much as 1/4 of the full wick, to as little as about 1/12th of the full wick), and still dry hits. I've even done the full, 'flush with the build deck edge' full wick. Dry hits everywhere. I've even tried the different wicks tails flush or trailing down the juice channels with angle cut tails, no help.
Any thoughts, gentlemen? I really don't wanna have to go back to the Rose V2, considering I love building in the Squape R, and love the wide, open draw of the two biggest airholes, but... Any thoughts would be appreciated!
Keep on vaping, everyone!
-Laters...
kgs-wy
Funny, just about the ONLY thing I DIDN'T have trouble with with the SqR was wicking it. I pretty much do it like this guy:
Posted by PeteMoss on SqR Clone thread: @SeniorBoy: No, I don't see much difference between the original SQr and a working clone. I trim the wick just like they tell you - flush to the edge of the deck. As long as you get the wick density right, you're good. I use rayon for everything and pack the coil tight. With cotton, you need to use less in the coil because the cotton will expand.
One thing I have noticed about squape wicks is they tend to "grow" down the channel as some shorter fibers work themselves out of the wick. When I refill, I'll sometimes trim away any long tails hanging down. At the low wattages I like to vape at, long tails don't seem to matter. But I occasionally go over 15 watts and any long tails seem to slow down the wicking. So I chop off the tails and the vape is juicier.
On the wide deck, my coil is 7/64" (just a hair smaller than the wick channels) and I don't really do any thinning, which I think is OK, since the tails are so short. Maybe just a little snip off the top of the tails if I notice it getting dark, but doesn't usually happen. Keep it fluffy. Just wick it, snip it a hair past flush with the deck, tuck it into the channels so it's nice and tidy, then screw the chimney on.
Maybe try a skinnier coil? Your coil looks a lot chunkier than ours - maybe you're blocking too much air with it. Also, you can play with the juice flow by not screwing the chimney/tank down all the way (I do that with my Orchid too). It won't leak - there's an o-ring there.
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Hmm, some points to think about for sure. I didn't struggle with normal cotton too bad, which is probably what makes this more frustrating.
Now when you say smaller as it goes into the tank... Kinda like icicle shaped? That's what I do now but probably by the time it narrows at the tip its down past the top plate and down into the tunnel into the tank.
Here's the next attempt, you can see a little space around the wick at the top plate but the wick is pressing against the inside of the coil.
Whoops, forgot to put the ladies in front of the gentlemen.Well, you didn't ask us LADIES but I guess I'll reply anyway.
Coil is wrapped around a 3/32" mandrel, so about 0.156" smaller than 7/64". However, it's twisted 28 ga., so it probably does appear chunkier. I always fluff the hell outta my rayon, learned that with my Rose V2. And thanks, cindycated, HolmanGT, I think the only thing I haven't done is an above the deck. I'll try an "inverted" angle trim (where the trim is from the 'top' of the coil to the bottom), which might help with the shorter tails 'growing' to block the juice flow channel. I think the raised bit might help the most, however.
I'll report back later when I rewick after this latest tank; it's doin' a bit better after I did some additional fluffing, but it's starting to go backwards, so...
Anyway, keep on vapin', everyone!
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kgs-wy
Well, this is troubling... I'm havin' some trouble gettin' rayon to work with my Squape R and I'm stumped. I've tried several types of wicking techniques, and I have a tendency towards dry, ashy (not dry, metal-y) hits, which go away briefly after sitting for a while, but come right back after two or three hits. It doesn't really matter how tight the airflow is, either. These builds are Ni200, with my Hana Modz DNA40.
The rayon's always inserted with double insertion, has the proper rayon 'squeak' in the coil, but no matter what I do, nothing seems to work. I've done the 'fan' method (cutting at an angle even with the edge of the coil all the way to the edge of the channel, with the rayon 'fanned up'), but that leaks like crazy and has dry hits. A modified 'fan' method with that cuts off just inside the wick channels (so there's a full wick in the channel; no more leaks, but still dry hits). I've tried with angle cuts from just inside the channels with a significantly thinned tail (from as much as 1/4 of the full wick, to as little as about 1/12th of the full wick), and still dry hits. I've even done the full, 'flush with the build deck edge' full wick. Dry hits everywhere. I've even tried the different wicks tails flush or trailing down the juice channels with angle cut tails, no help.
Any thoughts, gentlemen? I really don't wanna have to go back to the Rose V2, considering I love building in the Squape R, and love the wide, open draw of the two biggest airholes, but... Any thoughts would be appreciated!
Keep on vaping, everyone!
-Laters...
kgs-wy
I've got a Squape R FastTech Clone that works great for me. I chose to place my coil and wick above the channel because I don't trust the E-Metal coating on this clone. Here is Ni200 coil and wick. See if this might help you in any way:
I've got a Squape R FastTech Clone that works great for me. I chose to place my coil and wick above the channel because I don't trust the E-Metal coating on this clone. Here is Ni200 coil and wick. See if this might help you in any way:
That's the way I build mine also.
I just let someone hit my quasar which was sporting wicks aproaching 10ml and they went and ran it dry ! It wasn't too bad of a burn ,I'm getting good flavor back but I was going for 200ml...
I don't think it would have made it tho as my coils could definitely use a dry burn.
They look nasty but it's the yellow juice. The coils ...like I said robe for a dry burn. I've prolly run 400 to 500 ml on these 24ga coils @ 0.33ohm tho. My favorite build in my favorite atty.
I don't think it would have made it tho as my coils could definitely use a dry burn.
They look nasty but it's the yellow juice. The coils ...like I said robe for a dry burn. I've prolly run 400 to 500 ml on these 24ga coils @ 0.33ohm tho. My favorite build in my favorite atty.
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The only thing I can see is that your wicking isn't even on each side. Note the discolored bit on one side that indicates a touch of burning on the wick.
My only complaints on the few kf's I have were tank size and airflow... both too small.
Now the Orchid is another matter entirely...
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