Really hope this doesn't start an argument but why do people care??
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It's mostly because people are not as accepting of something they deem unworthy. This goes back to how some organizations were allowed, even possibly encouraged, to degrade a group of people for doing something that was/is legal....smoking. Since that kind of behavior was tolerated, it gives those that were on the receiving end license to think they can do the same, now that they are on the other side of the 'holier than thou' fence.
Our society is screwed.
Our society is screwed.
I think starting smoking for me was a mistake (and I think I speak for most of us) so it is natural to start vaping would seem like a mistake also...
That said there will always be more persons staring to smoke or vape, so is is much better to start vaping than to start smoking.
But there are different reasons to start, I for me find it much more beneficial to keep vaping nicotine than to stop, it really helps with my ADD and my doctor a few days ago told me that my nicotine and caffeine habits are much more helpful for my condition than add meds. Do I have no intention to stop and have even suggested vaping to people close to me that have the same condition
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That said there will always be more persons staring to smoke or vape, so is is much better to start vaping than to start smoking.
But there are different reasons to start, I for me find it much more beneficial to keep vaping nicotine than to stop, it really helps with my ADD and my doctor a few days ago told me that my nicotine and caffeine habits are much more helpful for my condition than add meds. Do I have no intention to stop and have even suggested vaping to people close to me that have the same condition
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Ever try nicotine lozenges?
Chewed the gum and used the lozenges for years. Always ended up smoking again. The nic uptake isn't fast enough to be satisfying. Vaping does take a bit of adjustment but it's not that far off from smoking and I was able to make the switch.
People are idiots. Once I realized that makes me an idiot too, life became sooo much easier.
I would like to add that some of the animosity between vapers arises out the online conduct of certain factions of them, in the hijacking of threads and even whole forums in favor of their vaping solution over that of others. This is extremely rude and arrogant, but it's tolerated in forums and never addressed. Case in point, the dripper/cotton fanatics hijacking every thread that mentions a genny, as well as the new genesis forum, where they show up advocating building gennys as drippers and comparing gennys unfavorably to their preferred vape, the dripper. I stayed away from ECF for months because of these people being that they became so very onerous and oppressive with this behavior.
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pssst,don't tell any one.
i still use kr808d1 type devices.(V2 form factor)
i am so ashamed.
not
mike
i still use kr808d1 type devices.(V2 form factor)
i am so ashamed.
not
mike
pssst,don't tell any one.
i still use kr808d1 type devices.(V2 form factor)
i am so ashamed.
not
mike
If they keep you off the cigs then more power to ya! I see you have been an ex-smoker about as long as I have. Good for you!
Hi there! No worries, I didn't think you were condescending at all, maybe just curious, and you ask legit questions
But anyway, I never said that I had never had nicotine. As a matter of fact, I smoked off and on for about 4 years, but I had stopped smoking a year prior to starting vaping, so it wasn't really for nicotine or smoking cessation.
And what's the appeal for me, you ask? The CLOUDS, babe, the clouds!!
The first time I saw someone next to me blowing a huge cloud, I was like: "Dayum, I want that!!" G'head and judge me, LOL
Not to mention that vaping is just deee-lish!!
And as far as the cost of gear and juice, the only thing I have to say to that is that for many, it's a hobby! There are plenty of people who vape as a hobby and spend tons of money on vaping gear (though I'm not one of the big spenders), just like people who spend thousands of dollars on fishing gear and I can't imagine ever doing that, LOL! To each his own, I guess?
I'm not sure why one would bother to lie about that...what would be the point?
Oh, and YES! Rip Trippers is very much to blame in a way! Specially with buying new gear after his reviews! LOL!
I don't like vaping in front on nonsmokers unless they don't mind if I vape. Nor do I like it when vapers blow enormous clouds in enclosed areas; it's hard to get the VG film off my glasses and the vapor fogs the room. To sum up: it has nothing to do with vaping indoors and a lot to do with manners.
I wish to heartily agree with you. There have been a great many threads and posts belaboring the cloud chasing issue and focusing on that activity drawing unwanted and negative attention to vapers as a whole, and I think that's an activity best pursued in a place and time that will not aggravate people.
While cloud chasing doesn't interest me, many are quite passionately involved in it, and I have no problem with that, provided they do it responsibly.
Robin I hope you are not just now finding out just how screwed society really is hon.[emoji6]
Didn't think so![emoji1] [emoji1] [emoji1]
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Because there is only one proper way to vape, that's why it matters. You can't just let people go on vaping incorrectly, no matter how much pleasure it gives them because that's what leads to the down fall of society. Next thing you know, the kids in small town Colorado are dancing with their hips to fast gyrating music and drinking alcoholic beverages in barn and empty manufacturing plants. Is that what you want?
Gosh us people are all kinds of neat junk ain't we? [emoji1] [emoji1] [emoji1]
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Fear, elitism or just jerks finding a new excuse take your pick really but if vaping was in a legislative stable place I think there would be a lot less of it to be honest. Regulations are coming there is no stopping them but perhaps we can mitigate them to a degree so as far as some are concerned anything that might cause concern must be stamped out. Now I'm out of vaping activism I'm a lot more relaxed about the whole thing and don't really care anymore, but there are odd occasions where I see some vapers being impolite or rude and the blood pressure increases but I know now there is little that can be done about it so I just move on.
A simple answer would be elitism. There's a widely held belief that if you vape, and didn't start as a means to quit smoking, then you're doing it because it looks cool - making you a poser.
Elitism or disapproval because you're 'not exactly like me'... These beliefs and behaviors are based on ignorance and/or prejudice. Which we all know is wrong. There are some legitimate concerns though, at least from their POV.
There's a lot of fear and anxiety in the vaping community surrounding government regulations. If some of these misinformed (or bought off) politicians got their way these regulations would shutter many of the non-Big Tobacco vendors, which would be a travesty for the vaping community.
Many of the attacks made by politicians and organizations claim that vaping entices your average VNS (vaping non-smoker) to start a detrimental behavior (oral fixation), and that many of the VNS start vaping nicotine when they otherwise wouldn't. This gives the attack groups a strategical advantage, especially when the 'do it for the kids' platitude is used as a rallying cry.
There are many questions surrounding the science of vaping; it's worlds better for a smoker to quit and to start vaping, but it's a step backwards for a non-smoker to start vaping.
Vaping ex-smokers tend to be older than vaping non-smokers, so there will be a disconnect between the two groups. Many of the former don't appreciate that vaping has been adopted by the 'hipster' community. It's merely a trendy hobby for the hipsters, not a life or death situation as it is for them.
Many ex-smokers believe that vaping wouldn't be as scrutinized nearly as much if vaping was only practiced as a means to quit smoking. IMO these people underestimate a) Big Tobacco and their lobbying arm, and b) politicians with their hands out.
I personally think the more people that vape the better. It gives us a larger community. More vaping sales, more competition, better technology, better prices. It gives us a larger voting bloc, which is crucial in the fight against lobbying resources. BUT...
The only thing I ask (and this goes for vapers of all backgrounds) is that they take it seriously. Vape responsibly and with decorum. Stay informed. Educate others. Join CASAA and similar advocacy groups, because there are people who are fighting to take our vaping rights away from all of us. This not only diminishes our individual rights as a whole, but is literally a life and death situation for millions of people.
As long as the above guidelines are followed then I could honestly gives two $&!#$ about why someone started vaping.
TL;DR Many vaping ex-smokers believe that non-smokers who vape only bring negative attention to the vaping community, resulting in a poor public image, exorbitant taxes, and stifling regulation.
Elitism or disapproval because you're 'not exactly like me'... These beliefs and behaviors are based on ignorance and/or prejudice. Which we all know is wrong. There are some legitimate concerns though, at least from their POV.
There's a lot of fear and anxiety in the vaping community surrounding government regulations. If some of these misinformed (or bought off) politicians got their way these regulations would shutter many of the non-Big Tobacco vendors, which would be a travesty for the vaping community.
Many of the attacks made by politicians and organizations claim that vaping entices your average VNS (vaping non-smoker) to start a detrimental behavior (oral fixation), and that many of the VNS start vaping nicotine when they otherwise wouldn't. This gives the attack groups a strategical advantage, especially when the 'do it for the kids' platitude is used as a rallying cry.
There are many questions surrounding the science of vaping; it's worlds better for a smoker to quit and to start vaping, but it's a step backwards for a non-smoker to start vaping.
Vaping ex-smokers tend to be older than vaping non-smokers, so there will be a disconnect between the two groups. Many of the former don't appreciate that vaping has been adopted by the 'hipster' community. It's merely a trendy hobby for the hipsters, not a life or death situation as it is for them.
Many ex-smokers believe that vaping wouldn't be as scrutinized nearly as much if vaping was only practiced as a means to quit smoking. IMO these people underestimate a) Big Tobacco and their lobbying arm, and b) politicians with their hands out.
I personally think the more people that vape the better. It gives us a larger community. More vaping sales, more competition, better technology, better prices. It gives us a larger voting bloc, which is crucial in the fight against lobbying resources. BUT...
The only thing I ask (and this goes for vapers of all backgrounds) is that they take it seriously. Vape responsibly and with decorum. Stay informed. Educate others. Join CASAA and similar advocacy groups, because there are people who are fighting to take our vaping rights away from all of us. This not only diminishes our individual rights as a whole, but is literally a life and death situation for millions of people.
As long as the above guidelines are followed then I could honestly gives two $&!#$ about why someone started vaping.
TL;DR Many vaping ex-smokers believe that non-smokers who vape only bring negative attention to the vaping community, resulting in a poor public image, exorbitant taxes, and stifling regulation.
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