RESPONSE to RolyGate: Exploding mods - the REAL current situation

[SudokuGal]

First, I don't need or want "protection" from ECF...I want it to be a place of INFORMATION.

Second, I applaud Steve's commentary. This forum was functioning quite well in regards to letting people be aware of the dangers. In fact, because of the postings, I cancelled an order of a mod for which there were no protected batteries -- that's the due diligence Steve referred to.

 

[ECCO]

Very well said. It's good to see someone with their head still on straight through all the current hysteria, too. The posted safety concerns don't do much for safety, but they do speak volumes about arrogance and control. Thanks for putting some reason back in the conversation.

 

[taukimada]

Color me ignorant then... I am 44 years old, I have severed in 3 combat zones and was a police officer for 16-years...

I do not need the ECF or Rolly to protect me from myself



Kill yourself with an analog rather than vape safely??? Yup best advise I have ever heard...

you sir have just been trolled

i believe K was being quite sarcastic

 

[raqball]

I figured as much but had to post just in case...



Kris

 

[SmilingSlasher]

Some people actually live there own lives everyday without others telling them how to do so. Those people are the ones who research, develop opinions, and make educated decissions for themselves. I like ECF...........I don't like ECF enough to let them dictate what I do. If I needed some besides myself to protect me......I'll hire someone to do.

User Error DOES detract from any arguement. If I put a bullet in a vice and bang it with a hammer, shooting myself in the leg......that is completely my fault and the Gun industry shouldn't take the heat for it. I should.

Any battery operated device is a potential danger. Who here is going to quit putting that CELLPHONE to their ear? (Nobody) What lonely woman is going to quit using her B.O.B.? (Not a one) Who is going to only use candles when the power goes out? ( Remember though......an idiot could burn their house down using candles, so we should ban those too)

I'm tired of people telling me how to live my life based on what they think is right for everyone. I think people everywhere need to grow some and start taking responcibility for their own actions and their own lives.


(For those that read more into my statement than you were meant to..........Not just lonely women use B.O.B.s.............I'm sure people other than lonely ones and women use them. Sorry for not explaining myself a little better. I know how you like to take everything literal. You know who you are)

 

[CaSHMeRe]

Very well said. It's good to see someone with their head still on straight through all the current hysteria, too. The posted safety concerns don't do much for safety, but they do speak volumes about arrogance and control. Thanks for putting some reason back in the conversation.

Thank you ECCO ...

And thank you all to those who contribute to ECF/VF/and Other Forums

We're all in this together ... Through Thick, Thin, and the Ugly

 

[RIMP]

That's just plain scary
RIMP

 

[taukimada]

That's just plain scary
RIMP

it's practically a calling card coming form him

 

[UberDuper]

Stumbled on this via the New Posts.. Anyhow I disagree with you on a handful of your points.

- Large capacity rechargeable batteries
A: False - A Batteries capacity has nothing to do with a mod exploding

A larger capacity battery contains a higher power density and while the chances of a catastrophic failure of the battery remains the same, the chances of a pipe mod turning into a pipe bomb increase with the capacity of the battery.

- No availability of high-voltage (HV) atomizers at present
A: And How Would a HV atty solve a Short in the Atomizer? The #1 Reason Why Mods Explode is due to a short in the atomizer itself. Adding resistance to an atomizer won't stop the mod from blowing up.

A standard resistance atomizer (say 2.2R) at 7.4v would draw 3.4amps. The concern here is exceeding the max discharge rate of the batteries. A HV atomizer on a 7.4v source will reduce the draw back below the typical max discharge rate of the batteries ~2.4amps.

- No gas vent holes, or an insufficient number of holes, that would allow a faulty unprotected battery to degas with relative safety
A: Both a blessing and a curse really. Would you rather burn your face or your hand (and other parts of your body)

No curse here. A mod needs to vent in order to keep the atomizer / connector in place and not in your skull. Or to prevent the entire PV from fragmenting.

- Lack of a kill switch (a second 'transport' switch that allows the battery pack to be disconnected for travel and storage)
A: Its Called = Taking off the atomizer. Thus - Circuit is NO LONGER COMPLETE.

Until something falls back into the battery connector like say.. car keys which, btw, would be far worse then leaving an atomizer in there.


Sounds like ECF isn't trying to tell you what you can or can't sell. They're laying out what you can or can't sell on their venue.

UD.

 

[raqball]

Sounds like ECF isn't trying to tell you what you can or can't sell. They're laying out what you can or can't sell on their venue.

UD.

If that's true then the ECF will eventually fold as all the device makers will move elsewhere, the people looking to buy will follow and the ECF will be left with juice sellers (the ones that stay as I would assume they'd also move to benefit from the traffic the device makers generate) and an off topic area...

My .02

Kris

 

[CaSHMeRe]

A larger capacity battery contains a higher power density and while the chances of a catastrophic failure of the battery remains the same, the chances of a pipe mod turning into a pipe bomb increase with the capacity of the battery.
A: True ... Very True ... but then to later go on and state there have yet to be incidents with 3.7v batteries (certain 18650's easily exceed 2000+mAh) ... As for "Pipe Bown" -- I wouldn't go as far as stating that is what it turns in to ... Yes, gases will try and escape via the easiest way possible, which is a far cry from a pipe bomb

A standard resistance atomizer (say 2.2R) at 7.4v would draw 3.4amps. The concern here is exceeding the max discharge rate of the batteries. A HV atomizer on a 7.4v source will reduce the draw back below the typical max discharge rate of the batteries ~2.4amps.
A: True. But I still believe the #1 cause of incidents is due to the atomizer shorting itself - which has no effect on whether or not the atty was a HV atty or not.

No curse here. A mod needs to vent in order to keep the atomizer / connector in place and not in your skull. Or to prevent the entire PV from fragmenting.
A: Well Said haha

Sounds like ECF isn't trying to tell you what you can or can't sell. They're laying out what you can or can't sell on their venue.
A: As suppliers, we are NOT allowed to sell anything on ECF Everything is purchased outside of ECF Again, ECF is liable for Donations and Vendor Sponsorships.

See Red! Appreciate the discussion UD

 

[UberDuper]

If that's true then the ECF will eventually fold as all the device makers will move elsewhere, the people looking to buy will follow and the ECF will be left with juice sellers (the ones that stay as I would assume they'd also move to benefit from the traffic the device makers generate) and an off topic area...

My .02

Kris

Or, more likely, mods will get safer. There's really no reason for them not to.

UD.

 

[UberDuper]

A: As suppliers, we are NOT allowed to sell anything on ECF Everything is purchased outside of ECF Again, ECF is liable for Donations and Vendor Sponsorships.

That's a good point. I can understand both ECF and the suppliers position on this.

UD.

 

[raqball]

Or, more likely, mods will get safer. There's really no reason for them not to.

UD.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree as I already think they are safe if used properly...

Kris

 

[CellWho]

First off I would like to thank Steve for responding in a reasonable way and allowing people the opportunity to voice their opinions in this thread.

The powers to be who run this forum might be surprised to find out that I'm not interested in their "protection" just as I'm not interested in the FDA's or Health Canada's in regards to if/how I use one of these devices. You might be surprised to know that I am perfectly capable of drawing my own conclusions and making a sound decision that works for me.

I'm surprised that ECF would try and dictate an arbitrary set of rules about the devices that should be sold via the vendors here. I can't think of a single device that is sold here that only uses protected batteries, has vent holes, and has a "kill switch". Does this mean that no mod as it stands today would be allowed to be sold by any vendor or in the classified? This doesn't seem reasonable to me.

This all seems like a knee jerk reaction much like the governing bodies that are trying to ban the things that make our lives better. This is not the way. This is a forum that provides information. Let us decide on how we should use that information.

 

[camnaron]

Why are batteries and Mod even a ... issue? of course there are Risks!... Lets look at our common link we where all SMOKERS! something known to cause health risks now a hand full of mods go Boom and people are all in a damn hissy about risks... this is such a none issue because if Mods ran with hamster power someone would get ...... when it bit there finger

 

[raqball]

if Mods ran with hamster power someone would get ...... when it bit there finger

Hahahahahahaha.....

 

[Cisco]

Or, more likely, mods will get safer. There's really no reason for them not to.

UD.

Agree with most if not all of your comments...

Although, most US mods will probably not get safer any time soon. Most if not all US mod makers don't have the capacity or the finances to include electronics and safety into there mods, and even if they did a $100 mod would become $250 mod....as you know from recent market entries, anyone can make a tube with a switch, and to include electronics you would need R&D financing..


Cisco...

 

[Pinepig]

The real issue with mods is safety
ECF has a duty to protect uneducated ecig users from themselves
What you people need to realize is that if a device explodes because of user error it still doesn't distract from the overall safety concerns

Rolly and ecf is doing an excellent job of protecting us from ourselves
And if you can't see that then you are completely ignorant

When I first started using ecigs it wasn't really cutting it for me so I still smoked, when I tried high volt vaping I was able to quit cigs completely

But because of safety concerns I am back on my 3.7v KBC and supplementing that with camel lights

Out of safety concerns I encourage everyone to go back to analogs because high volt mods are just too dangerous
There have been at least 5 potentially deadly explosions
and that is a risk that I am not prepared to live with

 

[j4g3rb0mb3d]

Stumbled on this via the New Posts.. Anyhow I disagree with you on a handful of your points.


A larger capacity battery contains a higher power density and while the chances of a catastrophic failure of the battery remains the same, the chances of a pipe mod turning into a pipe bomb increase with the capacity of the battery.


A standard resistance atomizer (say 2.2R) at 7.4v would draw 3.4amps. The concern here is exceeding the max discharge rate of the batteries. A HV atomizer on a 7.4v source will reduce the draw back below the typical max discharge rate of the batteries ~2.4amps.



No curse here. A mod needs to vent in order to keep the atomizer / connector in place and not in your skull. Or to prevent the entire PV from fragmenting.



Until something falls back into the battery connector like say.. car keys which, btw, would be far worse then leaving an atomizer in there.


Sounds like ECF isn't trying to tell you what you can or can't sell. They're laying out what you can or can't sell on their venue.

UD.

The only way a PV would fragment is if it were made out of a Bic pen. If you look at the case with the guy with the BB or the Detonator guy, they didn't fragment.