Return To Vaping--Return To ECF

[Electrodave]

Thanks Dave. Schecter is one of the few companies I feel has great quality throughout their whole line up from the cheap guitars, up to the expensive ones.

A lot of folks don't know this, but Schecter was originally a parts manufacturer. When they closed out their parts inventory, I bought a lot of stuff, almost all of which has found a home on one or another of my guitars. I still have a couple of the awesome (American made) G & B pickups, although one of them is imprinted "Daisy Rock" (which used to be a division of Schecter).

 

[Electrodave]

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Welcome back! My brother says I have too much vape gear... he has a “guitar problem”, according to my sister in law at least. This is just a few. His fav/View attachment 815033 nicer guitars are in the studio room. He would be on your front porch if he saw what you’ve made, gorgeous!!
When I was trying to finally quit dual use with my (bribe myself) Provari, I kept a tank of zero nic as well to keep from getting over nic-ed. For me, the hand to mouth was as important as the nicotine.

It's called GAS--Guitar Acquisition Syndrome. Here in the vape world it could stand for Gear Acquisition Syndrome. But calling it shinyitis works just as well. You could apply that term to the music world, too. Guitarists and keyboard players are the most likely victims, but even sax players have their eye on that nice $10,000 Selmer.

Very shiny.

Right you are about hand to mouth.

During my first 2-3 years vaping, I vaped no nic. What attracted me to it was the fact that most of the other elements of smoking are still there. Hand to mouth, filling your lungs with something other than air, exhaling a cloud. It worked for almost three years, until a crisis, combined with having a spouse who smokes, weakened me to the point of giving in to the tobacco demons.

I always vaped low power, with lots of VG, because to me, that pretty well replicates cigarette smoking. One reason, though, that I like vaping is that vapor can be much cooler than cigarette smoke, and even soothing, especially with 100% VG. Adding in 25 mg/ml freebase made it much less soothing. Switching to salt nicotine has helped a lot.

So when I vaped no nic, I would basically pretend to smoke a cigarette. Mostly MTL, with the occasional DTL hit thrown in. That's how I smoke tobacco. That's how I was vaping until recently. Trying to keep up my nicotine levels, I instinctively switched to vaping the same way I have been known to smoke non-tobacco cigarettes. All DTL, exhale through nose and mouth together. Sometimes I forget what I'm doing and I hold the vape hit in.

This definitely increases nicotine uptake.

Anyway, the way I deal with getting nic sick is to switch back to hitting it like a cigarette. I do keep a couple of tanks around that are filled with 18%.

 

[NolaMel]

It's called GAS--Guitar Acquisition Syndrome. Here in the vape world it could stand for Gear Acquisition Syndrome. But calling it shinyitis works just as well. You could apply that term to the music world, too. Guitarists and keyboard players are the most likely victims, but even sax players have their eye on that nice $10,000 Selmer.

Very shiny.

Right you are about hand to mouth.

During my first 2-3 years vaping, I vaped no nic. What attracted me to it was the fact that most of the other elements of smoking are still there. Hand to mouth, filling your lungs with something other than air, exhaling a cloud. It worked for almost three years, until a crisis, combined with having a spouse who smokes, weakened me to the point of giving in to the tobacco demons.

I always vaped low power, with lots of VG, because to me, that pretty well replicates cigarette smoking. One reason, though, that I like vaping is that vapor can be much cooler than cigarette smoke, and even soothing, especially with 100% VG. Adding in 25 mg/ml freebase made it much less soothing. Switching to salt nicotine has helped a lot.

So when I vaped no nic, I would basically pretend to smoke a cigarette. Mostly MTL, with the occasional DTL hit thrown in. That's how I smoke tobacco. That's how I was vaping until recently. Trying to keep up my nicotine levels, I instinctively switched to vaping the same way I have been known to smoke non-tobacco cigarettes. All DTL, exhale through nose and mouth together. Sometimes I forget what I'm doing and I hold the vape hit in.

This definitely increases nicotine uptake.

Anyway, the way I deal with getting nic sick is to switch back to hitting it like a cigarette. I do keep a couple of tanks around that are filled with 18%.

I switched at 24mg, which was enough to make me not want stinkies. But I always kept some zero for the stress/chain vaping moments, just adding it to a mostly empty tank to avoid the “over nic icks ”. I dl inhale on a mtl setup. Never have been able to do mouth then lung. Agree on your last two sentences, pretty aptly describes my vaping style lol. GAS is REAL, my brother called yesterday to tell me to call his wife for a chat session so he could bring in a new custom tele . She can’t tell one from another, so he’s safe hiding it amidst the herd once he gets it in the house lol. To be fair to her though.... I probably have 50+ mods, but Himself thinks it’s the 5-6 (almost always black or silver) he sees out. They all look the same to him. Well, except my provaris, which he calls my “antiques” .

 

[Zazie]

Beautiful guitars.

If you're fighting dementia, keep using nicotine! A great deal of science says it helps in the battle.

 

[gerrymi]

If you're fighting dementia, keep using nicotine! A great deal of science says it helps in the battle

Not only has nicotine been shown to delay/prevent the onset of Alzheimer's/senile dementia...it may also enhance mood and cognition in late-life depression...(whatever that is?)…

Nicotine and networks: Potential for enhancement of mood and cognition in late-life depression. - PubMed - NCBI

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[Zazie]

Not only has nicotine been shown to delay/prevent the onset of Alzheimer's/senile dementia...it may also enhance mood and cognition in late-life depression...(whatever that is?)…

Nicotine and networks: Potential for enhancement of mood and cognition in late-life depression. - PubMed - NCBI

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The imminence of death can get a person down.

 

[Electrodave]

Thanks, guys. I have Parkinsonian dementia, which is, fortunately, relatively mild, slow progression, and not fatal. It's a fairly common Parkinson's symptom.

Both nicotine and the substance that shall not be named have been shown to slow the progression of Parkinson's. I use both, hence my familiarity with the "other side" of vaping. I've been vaping since the mid 70's on the other side. Both substances can also offer some mild, short term, relief of symptoms. It's no coincidence that about 40% of people with Parkinson's are smokers. It just makes it that much harder to quit and stay quit.

In a strange way, I'm sort of lucky. My Parkinson's showed up fairly early. I was 39 when I started showing symptoms, 42 when I was diagnosed, and 53 before I started showing level 2 symptoms. One of which was dementia. So that's a very slow progression. Something that had started making me feel sort of cocky in a way. I figured I'd just go on with the symptoms getting worse slowly. Then recently, they made something of a leap forward.

Among other things, I rather suddenly found myself smoking 25-30 cigarettes a day, from 15-20 previously. I decided that I had to do something. So I dragged the old vape gear out, got some ejuice with nicotine...

 

[somdcomputerguy]

Thanks, guys. I have Parkinsonian dementia, which is, fortunately, relatively mild, slow progression, and not fatal. It's a fairly common Parkinson's symptom.

A cousin of mine was recently diagnosed with some type of Parkinson's. He's a bit more than 10 years older than I, has been smoking longer than I did, and still smokes. I have tried numerous times to get him to quit smoking and vape instead. The last I communicated w/ him, he was considering trying out 'this Chantix thing' (his words) because his family doctor and neurologist suggested it. I plan to keep trying though.

 

[Electrodave]

The other condition for which the drug in Chantix is used is depression, which is a common symptom of Parkinson's. I can't take it, because I also have epilepsy (which long preceded the Parkinson's).

I wish your cousin the best.

 

[somdcomputerguy]

The other condition for which the drug in Chantix is used is depression, which is a common symptom of Parkinson's. I can't take it, because I also have epilepsy (which long preceded the Parkinson's).

Huh. I didn't know that. AFAIK, they recommended it only to quit smoking, but maybe they didn't say what else it could affect, or my cousin didn't tell me the whole story.

I wish your cousin the best.

Thanks bud.

 

[becosemsaida]

So long time vaper here but as some of you did, went back to cigs. Reason was drastic changes in my life and lots and lots of stress. Funny, one day i woke up and i just felt i NEEDED a cig the rest was just a continuance.....

So now i'm trying to get back on the vape. The first time i changed almost imediate but this time i find myself struggling not to smoke cigs. I make my own juice, coils and all the shabam so i know what i'm doing. I have top devices that work well, need a couple of new tanks but that's all. Just don't get the satisfaction from vaping, maybe its in my head. Reduced from 20cigs a day to around 8-10 so there is some improvement.

Maybe someone here can help me with fighting the demon of craving for cigs? Nic is not the problem since i have more nic in my vape then in the cigs

Beco

 

[somdcomputerguy]

Maybe someone here can help me with fighting the demon of craving for cigs? Nic is not the problem since i have more nic in my vape then in the cigs.

Search the forums here for WTA (whole tobacco alkaloids). That may help.

 

[Electrodave]

Huh. I didn't know that. AFAIK, they recommended it only to quit smoking, but maybe they didn't say what else it could affect, or my cousin didn't tell me the whole story.

Thanks bud.

The antidepressant version of the drug is called Wellbutrin. Dosages and delivery are different for depression treatment and smoking cessation. It's one of those things--neurologists noticed that many of their patients who were using Wellbutrin also stopped smoking. Just like they noticed that people with bipolar disorder who also have epilepsy stopped having seizures after taking a new class of drugs.

 

[Opinionated]

So long time vaper here but as some of you did, went back to cigs. Reason was drastic changes in my life and lots and lots of stress. Funny, one day i woke up and i just felt i NEEDED a cig the rest was just a continuance.....

So now i'm trying to get back on the vape. The first time i changed almost imediate but this time i find myself struggling not to smoke cigs. I make my own juice, coils and all the shabam so i know what i'm doing. I have top devices that work well, need a couple of new tanks but that's all. Just don't get the satisfaction from vaping, maybe its in my head. Reduced from 20cigs a day to around 8-10 so there is some improvement.

Maybe someone here can help me with fighting the demon of craving for cigs? Nic is not the problem since i have more nic in my vape then in the cigs

Beco

After I vaped for a year I decided I could quit vaping so to make the break easier I threw all my vape gear away and just decided to quit..

My husband still smoked back then, and I was back to cigarettes within a week.

After a couple months of smoking again I realized how dumb it was when all I needed was vape gear, and so I went and bought new vape gear and quit smoking again.

I again tried to quit vaping after another year or so, but the second time without throwing my gear away.

I did well and was completely quit for about 6 months, but did break down and want to vape. I realized then that I had been ignorant and didn't include any zero nicotine ejuice, all I saved was 18mg..

So I vaped that whole bottle of 18mg while I waited on some zero nicotine juice to come in the mail (we didn't have a vape shop here at that time) and when it came and I was vaping it I had a problem because I had just had an entire bottle of 18mg juice..

So, in my desire for nicotine I bummed a cigarette and one thing led to another and I was actually smoking for a couple weeks waiting for nicotine ejuice to come in the mail.

I've never messed up since, but one thing I learned in all that is that the second time you quit smoking is harder than the first.. and the third time is even harder than that.

The reason is that in quitting smoking we use a lot of mental tricks to get through withdrawals; there is far more in cigarettes than just the nicotine and our bodies scream at us in this insane desire for those chemicals... so we do these mental tricks to get through, and after the first time our mind knows the tricks and also then knows how to overcome them..

All you can do is power through with every ounce of willpower you have - and learn new tricks to trick your mind through those withdrawals.

 

[Electrodave]

If you can get VG, you have ejuice. My recipe for 0nic is--100% VG. Flavored--ah, there's PG in the flavoring (if you have some) if want to thin it out some in a tasty way. If 100%VG is too thick for your tanks, you can thin it with either PG or water (a few drops goes a long way). I don't thin it with PG because I like smooth, not harsh.

I realize that 100% VG isn't everybody's cup of tea. Many like the harshness of PG to a degree, and the lower viscosity does make the juice flow better. Also, it makes it even easier to make your house look like a vape meet.

Even at rather low power. I can chuck some decent clouds with a Kabuki tank/1.6 ohm coil head at 10W.

 

[Opinionated]

If you can get VG, you have ejuice. My recipe for 0nic is--100% VG. Flavored--ah, there's PG in the flavoring (if you have some) if want to thin it out some in a tasty way. If 100%VG is too thick for your tanks, you can thin it with either PG or water (a few drops goes a long way). I don't thin it with PG because I like smooth, not harsh.

I realize that 100% VG isn't everybody's cup of tea. Many like the harshness of PG to a degree, and the lower viscosity does make the juice flow better. Also, it makes it even easier to make your house look like a vape meet.

Even at rather low power. I can chuck some decent clouds with a Kabuki tank/1.6 ohm coil head at 10W.

If your talking to me no... there is no source for VG in my town either.. I live in the mountains where people are fewer and farther between, businesses and worse than few.

I DIY these days, but I didn't back then...

 

[NolaMel]

If your talking to me no... there is no source for VG in my town either.. I live in the mountains where people are fewer and farther between, businesses and worse than few.

I DIY these days, but I didn't back then...

I bought a small bottle at Walmart in the pharmacy section (it’s great for getting ink out of clothes too).

 

[Opinionated]

I bought a small bottle at Walmart in the pharmacy section (it’s great for getting ink out of clothes too).

While some Wamarts carry VG in the pharmacy section our Walmart doesn't..it was the first thing I checked because everyone said we could get VG at Walmart..

Heck they wouldn't even ship to store here - I checked because it was less expensive than paying for shipping..

But all that was a couple years ago.. long past. No longer an issue, just an experience I shared.

Perhaps I shouldn't share three year old stories.. lol

 

[Electrodave]

If your talking to me no... there is no source for VG in my town either.. I live in the mountains where people are fewer and farther between, businesses and worse than few.

I DIY these days, but I didn't back then...

Oops, sorry. Yes, I was talking to you, but I forgot to quote you.

I buy my VG from Amazon for $12/quart delivered. I don't know anything about yours or Nolamel shipping/receiving situations, but I get lots of my vaping/diy supplies (bottles, syringes, etc) from Amazon.

 

[NolaMel]

Oops, sorry. Yes, I was talking to you, but I forgot to quote you.

I buy my VG from Amazon for $12/quart delivered. I don't know anything about yours or Nolamel shipping/receiving situations, but I get lots of my vaping/diy supplies (bottles, syringes, etc) from Amazon.

I measure by weight now, but bottles I do use amazon. It’s just more convenient. I retired once my kids graduated college, so I’m home if a package is coming (gotta beat the porch pirates to it ). I usually grab pg/vg when I order flavors or nic.

@Opinionated , it sucks Walmart won’t ship to store there! It sure is convenient. If it makes you feel any better, a small bottle of vg from there might as well be liquid gold, pricey compared to what we buy. But, I was at the camp and Walmart is the closest store(45 minute drive).