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redrhino

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what does that mean? i have no idea what your trying to say here.....

I think what HE/SHE is trying to say.... Is that if we as Consumers buy from a smaller supplier we will get better Costumer Service and Better product....Since TW is so big the really don't care what people say about them...At least that's how i understood the post....But i can be wrong:)
 

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Sorry for the late response here, please see a message sent to the ecf compliance officer..

My apologies re not responding faster but i was unaware of this thread. I rarely now check my inbox on ECF and have a member of staff now follow all threads.



Regarding this particular issue, the multi packs are a non refundable item, the policy is clearly stated on the site.



The Foreign transaction fee is charged via paypal not ourselves. It is impossible to use a paypal account that is resident in the USA, as you are aware they just close them. Hence we use a UK based account. TWUSA is in actuality a Uk Business, it just trades in the states.





I believe the customer is aware of this.



I hope that clarifies my companies position on this matter.. As a sign of good will i am prepared to replace his two batteries if in fact once they are returned they are faulty.





All the Best Jason Cropper
 

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Sorry for the late response here, please see a message sent to the ecf compliance officer..

My apologies re not responding faster but i was unaware of this thread. I rarely now check my inbox on ECF and have a member of staff now follow all threads.

Regarding this particular issue, the multi packs are a non refundable item, the policy is clearly stated on the site.

The Foreign transaction fee is charged via paypal not ourselves. It is impossible to use a paypal account that is resident in the USA, as you are aware they just close them. Hence we use a UK based account. TWUSA is in actuality a Uk Business, it just trades in the states.

I believe the customer is aware of this.

I hope that clarifies my companies position on this matter.. As a sign of good will i am prepared to replace his two batteries if in fact once they are returned they are faulty.

Note that this isn't addressed to us - it's a quote from an e-mail sent to the ECF compliance officer.

I can see why they had preferred that this blow over, but posting this pointless self-justification now seems like they're just poking us with a stick.

TW, you may be able to coast along for a while with contempt for your customers, but don't expect that to last forever.
 

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The Foreign transaction fee is charged via paypal not ourselves. It is impossible to use a paypal account that is resident in the USA, as you are aware they just close them. Hence we use a UK based account. TWUSA is in actuality a Uk Business, it just trades in the states.

I'm trying to understand this. They have a TW USA and they accept paypal as a form of payment but paypal in the US won't do e-cig transactions so they run it through their UK paypal account and there is a foreign transaction fee.

So it sort of seems that they have a US store. People in the US get the impression that they are buying domestically. Distinctly separate site and everything. It's reasonable to assume customers might use the US site thinking product is in stock and shipped locally or just prefer to buy domestically. Given the above, you wouldn't expect using the paypal payment option on the US site to incur foreign transaction fees? I'd think they would either call this out or absorb the fees as a cost of doing business. Seems short sighted to let customers be surprised with this after the fact.

lol, "We use this third party billing/payment company and they just tack on their own fees. That has nothing to do with us".
 
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I remain perplexed by this PayPal "foreign transaction charge". The five
orders I have placed with TW USA via PayPal made in the last 11 months
have not had any "foreign transaction" charges.

My PayPal account is tied to a credit card with Chase. Are these charges
incurred when it's tied to an actual (personal) bank account?... savings?...
checking?... different credit card issuers/banks?

Maybe different credit card levels have a no-foreign-transaction-fee perk?
You know... "Platinum", "Gold", "Aluminum", "Foil", "Sludge" and "Cess"?

<shrug>
 

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I remain perplexed by this PayPal "foreign transaction charge". The five
orders I have placed with TW USA via PayPal made in the last 11 months
have not had any "foreign transaction" charges.

My PayPal account is tied to a credit card with Chase. Are these charges
incurred when it's tied to an actual (personal) bank account?... savings?...
checking?... different credit card issuers/banks?

Maybe different credit card levels have a no-foreign-transaction-fee perk?
You know... "Platinum", "Gold", "Aluminum", "Foil", "Sludge" and "Cess"?

<shrug>
Lmao.. thats funny.
Ive bought from TW a few times, and used just a bank debit card. I think I did get chraged $1 something or other.. not enough to worry about but kind of odd at the same time.
 

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It's funny, I've bought things from other countries before using PP and NEVER got charged a international transaction fee. And that stuff about it being a UK run charge is malarkey, the international transaction fee I was charged was based out of China.
02/04/2010 Card Purchase MDSJANQ5E Debit Card Transaction (PIN-Based) at PAYPAL *PILLBOX38Singapore on 02/03 -$72.46

02/04/2010 Fee MDSJANQ5E International Transaction Fee -$1.44

I know that $1.44 isn't much, but this is about principal. $1.44*100 transactions is $144.
 

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So is this the case?

It is the bank for the credit/debit card that is charging the foreign transaction fee.
The bank is charging the foreign transaction fee because the the funds are going to PayPal UK.
So it's not PayPal charging the fee at all. It's the bank charging the fee because the money is being sent to a UK recipient (PayPal).

So TW has a USA site. TW has a USA "company" or a presence here -- TW USA.
On the TW USA site they offer PayPal as a payment method.
But what they link you to is PayPal UK? So the customer gets hit with an unexpected foreign transaction fee?
 

Quick1

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I am confused. TW has a walk in store in Sarasota Florida. Well let's just say it's an off again on again walk in store. Hopefully they will stay open.
They pay taxes and sell retail. Are you not buying from this store? Does the product ship from England?

Well... yes and no.
It seems that the Sarasota store takes internet orders.
The Sarasota store offers PayPal as a payment method on the web site.
If you use the PayPal method you are actually paying through a UK PayPal account. Since your credit/debit card transaction is with a foreign entity your bank charges you a foreign transaction fee.

That's my understanding at the moment.
 

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... Since your credit/debit card transaction is with a foreign entity your bank charges you a foreign transaction fee.

That's my understanding at the moment.

MY credit card bank (Chase, again) has NOT tacked on a foreign transaction
fee for any of the five orders I have placed through PayPal with TW US.

So, your understanding is incorrect.

I am more inclined to believe it is a BANK policy to add the foreign
transaction fee. IF that is the case, then any ire should not be
directed at TW or PayPal. Repeat: IF. TW would have no clue as to your
financial institution or how you have your PayPal account set up.
And PayPal could not care less as long as they get paid.

My suggestion would be to call your bank and ask about it.
 

Quick1

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MY credit card bank (Chase, again) has NOT tacked on a foreign transaction
fee for any of the five orders I have placed through PayPal with TW US.

So, your understanding is incorrect.

Umm, no. It would be exactly correct. It just appears that Chase, or the account you have with Chase, does not charge foreign transaction fees. I believe a few banks don't? I know if I get the "Black" card with my bank for a $400 annual fee they do not charge any foreign transaction fees. With only the "Preferred Customer" account I have they charged me a foreign transaction fee for deposting a check from a Canadian bank written on US currency...

I am more inclined to believe it is a BANK policy to add the foreign transaction fee.

That's what I said, right?

IF that is the case, then any ire should not be directed at TW or PayPal. Repeat: IF. TW would have no clue as to your financial institution or how you have your PayPal account set up.

Correct. but TW certainly knows that almost ALL banks charge a foreign transaction fee. Why in the world did they set up a US PayPal account before? Why didn't they just use the one they already had in the UK?

Do you suppose they don't know it now? or they missed the dozens of complaints and inquiries about it previously?

Here's a hint: They more popular payment methods you have the more likely people are to buy something from you and not someone else.

I don't know about you but some people shop for price and a couple of dollars here and a couple of dollars there add up. Some people actually compare prices to the dollar. I probably wouldn't buy something if they listed the price as "about $20" and you get the exact number when you get your credit card bill...

So TW *is* very aware of the difference in using a UK PayPal account for a company in the US. TW *is* very aware that many or most of their US customers using the PayPal option will incur bank charges for a foreign transaction fee.

Now you have to ask WHY wouldn't they call that out on the website or when you select PayPal as your payment method? Maybe a little note?

Something like "We provide PayPal as a payment method as a convenience for our customers. Due to PayPal policies we are only able to do this through our UK PayPal account. This will be a foreign transaction and your bank may charge you a foreign transaction fee."

Got to wonder if maybe their business model is "Probably some people will never notice, some people just won't care, and we'd probably get less sales if we told people"... Kind of goes hand-in-hand with the way they interpret "no warranty" on the 5-packs. Most people are going to assume they will get a working product that doesn't have a warranty if it quits. Most people would NOT assume that the product is broken before they open the box. Dahahaha, what do you think those are anyway? Those are going to be rejects from the factory. They get them for almost nothing and sell them cheap. How about they come clean and just tell you what the deal is? "These are factory seconds. We sell these at a reduced price with no warranty. Some product may not work out of the box". Why wouldn't they tell you that?

I deal with a vendor I trust. He manages to even be competitive on pricing. At the same time I don't even check. Just a while ago I bought 4 or 5 801 atomizers to try out at HV. They all burnt out after a few puffs except the last one which had gone for a half hour or so. I mentioned it to him just to see if maybe those particular ones were unusual or maybe 801s just don't handle HV. Also mentioned that for the short amount of time they worked I didn't really like the vape. First thing he said was "How about you pick a different kind and I'll send you those to replace them?". I wasn't expecting replacement and wasn't asking for it. I don't worry about spending my money there.
 
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