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If he invented vaping, I'm sure he knows it 
You know.... saving lives..... I would be honored if the Hon Lik administered the heimlick to me, and not too many days ago, had he been in my neighborhood, he would have gotten the chance It was pretty pathetic being a First Aid/CPS provider and not having the wits to administer it to myself.... Fortunately, lots of people know it, including my husband.
Anna
You know.... saving lives..... I would be honored if the Hon Lik administered the heimlick to me, and not too many days ago, had he been in my neighborhood, he would have gotten the chance It was pretty pathetic being a First Aid/CPS provider and not having the wits to administer it to myself.... Fortunately, lots of people know it, including my husband. Anna
If he invented vaping, I'm sure he knows it
Anna
The "funny" part is that, at least check at least, he was still a dual user. Not that there's anything wrong with that, it's just something I find interesting.
Sorry
, I know. But then, aren't I always...
Carry on.
Um... I don't think you can go off topic on any thread I start they always seem to go weird places, but fun places, I think the mods have given up on me 
Anna
Anna
I remember reading something about that, and going hmmm, woder why?
As to proof of harm or lack therof regarding vaping, won't the test subjects need to be never smokers to get any real insight? I have wondered about this sice I began vaping, that we, the ex smokers, would all be fruit from the tainted tree regading any verifiable lack of harm...
Right there with you.....Um... I don't think you can go off topic on any thread I start they always seem to go weird places, but fun places, I think the mods have given up on me
Anna
Okay that's a catch 22 I do not *even* want to think about. Unless we might somehow lasso the HORDES of teenagers taking up vaping cuz it's so cool? We could corral them using "safe spaces" and offers of free contraception, which is something the University here is having major debates about. I asked my kid if he needed a "safe space" with tissues (he's 19 and I wanted to see how snowflaky he turned out?) His reply: "Mom, that's completely useless, if you want to do me a favor, stock me up a bunker." I was thrilled with his logical reasoning skills at that age..... Maybe the study could be done in a bunker?
I kid. I think. I woke up way too early.
Anna
I kid. I think. I woke up way too early.
Anna
Winner - Winner
Chicken Dinner !
Assuming you prepared that chicken, the FDA would like to speak to you regarding your methods. There are some visible blackened areas and they have concerns that you are consciously trying to spread carcinogens to the unsuspecting constituents (and their CHILDREN!) of this fine land.
That's OK.
By cooking it with Potatoes, the Chicken became a "Potato Product". And the FDA Regs on "Potato Products" are much more Lenient towards thing like Carcinogens.
The Society of Potato Unified Distributors (SPUD) is a very strong Special Interest Group. And they can Buy... I Mean... Persuade the FDA to make common sense Exemptions when it comes to Cancer Causing Regulations if it impacts their Bottom Line.
I've no doubt that vaping saves lives.
But I have always believed as ZioDman noted: , ie. harm reduction doesn't necessarily mean harmless.
I was very thrilled to get off smoking.
Subsequently, as new information about vaping (flavorings, temperatures, etc.) came out, I continued to attempt to mitigate any risks I found personally objectionable.
At the end of the day, my blanket statement would be: do whatever is necessary to stay off the cigs. That will be different for everyone (as DPLongo points out).
My philosophy with vaping, as with everything in life, is to use as little as possible to achieve intended effect. That relates to money, eating, possessions, drinking, services, and even the amount of $ I bet on a horse race.
But I have always believed as ZioDman noted: , ie. harm reduction doesn't necessarily mean harmless.
I was very thrilled to get off smoking.
Subsequently, as new information about vaping (flavorings, temperatures, etc.) came out, I continued to attempt to mitigate any risks I found personally objectionable.
At the end of the day, my blanket statement would be: do whatever is necessary to stay off the cigs. That will be different for everyone (as DPLongo points out).
My philosophy with vaping, as with everything in life, is to use as little as possible to achieve intended effect. That relates to money, eating, possessions, drinking, services, and even the amount of $ I bet on a horse race.
I would`nt worry too much about vaping. It`s the water that`s gonna kill you.
LOL.
LOL.
Yup, that's the full text version. Good study. And for the popcorn lung folks (that's another thread, right? I'm getting threads all confused) acrolein level were 66% lower than in smokers. Also virtually no nitrosamines measurable too.
Meh. That whole thousand points of light thing didn't work out real well for Bush 1. Maybe a thousand glowing coils? Nah, that sucks too.
I just kinda scanned it. Maybe you can Help me out?
What type of e-Cigarette Hardware/Wattages/e-Liquids were Evaluated in that study?
Like I said, I just scanned it.
I'm going to read it. Finally. First, I broke down and ordered an ego tank thingy, (god, see, I do need to write things down) the ego tank you can buy coils that are 1.0 but also use TC on. That one. That was cheap and it seemed a pleasant enough way to ease myself into TC and coil building that's not so hard.... Then, I decided I needed another mod before July 4th sales ended, and I bought BOTH the tesla 120 steampunk AND the tank, I so hope I don't regret this by scratching it on opening it. *In the process of* opening I should say....I really like the IPV-5, I just would have felt so... lame... ordering the exact same thing when there are so many options. And what with steroids, waking up early and everything else, it is now *clearly* time to pull out some cash for gas and emergencies, and then hand over my bank cards to my husband for a day or two, this kind of vape equipment extravaganza (though, I think it's smart! I'm ready to have the equipment to learn and whatnot...and it's on sale...) is not sustainable but I did say I wanted a backup mod! Okay, though, I'm ready to read up on some science findings about just how much harm I am saving myself from with all this... expenditure....
Anything Bush I did was going to fail, I'm sorry, but that dude was some kind of imp or demon, and I met his wife once (I was playing in a small string quartet, at some benefit/opening hospital thingy, great way to make money as a teenage, and I got to do the Very Big Final Spelling Bee Competition, that was GREAT, I digress) and she looks like a ghost, one of the ones that would hag ride you. There's no win coming off THAT pair. I actually love W and he's not dumb all the time/even when the media painted him that way, and he totally reminds me of my dad, he's got that adorable lost lamb/goofy air while secretly assessing what's going on. BUT
Maybe we could set up a field of 1,000 unused oxygen tanks or something? Just don't smoke inside the perimeter, LOL, and a battery issue could cause quite a problem. Maybe we need a thousand plumes of vape, that vaguely reminds me of dolphins which is soothing for most people (though, in fact, they have plenty of obnoxious behaviors and you wouldn't find *me* riding upon a dolphin, no thanks).
Anna
Anything Bush I did was going to fail, I'm sorry, but that dude was some kind of imp or demon, and I met his wife once (I was playing in a small string quartet, at some benefit/opening hospital thingy, great way to make money as a teenage, and I got to do the Very Big Final Spelling Bee Competition, that was GREAT, I digress) and she looks like a ghost, one of the ones that would hag ride you. There's no win coming off THAT pair. I actually love W and he's not dumb all the time/even when the media painted him that way, and he totally reminds me of my dad, he's got that adorable lost lamb/goofy air while secretly assessing what's going on. BUT
Maybe we could set up a field of 1,000 unused oxygen tanks or something? Just don't smoke inside the perimeter, LOL, and a battery issue could cause quite a problem. Maybe we need a thousand plumes of vape, that vaguely reminds me of dolphins which is soothing for most people (though, in fact, they have plenty of obnoxious behaviors and you wouldn't find *me* riding upon a dolphin, no thanks).
Anna
That was a nice, soothing study, actually. It was nicely designed and a great start (I skimmed some older studies, one of which stated that vapers had a "strong smoking identity" or some sort of phrase like that, and were more likely to continue using e-cigs than traditional nic replacement devices.) Sheesh, it was 2015, at least get your terms right, jesus, it kind of undercuts your validity if you are using the *wrong words* to describe something you are investigating, really a lot. Another winning study for BT, vapers love to "smoke" their products and enjoy them.... NRT is far less entrentched (they did not measure any relapse rates for those patch users who then discontinued them, that might have been helpful.)
Eskie, you are correct, there is a ways to go w/r/t studying e-cigs. Oy.
MikeP, if I don't get around to uploading a picture at some point, I'm using your gif, if it's not prohibited. Heh.
Anna
Eskie, you are correct, there is a ways to go w/r/t studying e-cigs. Oy.
MikeP, if I don't get around to uploading a picture at some point, I'm using your gif, if it's not prohibited. Heh.
Anna
I read it back when it was first released. Rather than making it up as I go along, I'll give it another read through when I can get to my pc rather than my phone. I saved a PDF of it when it was released as I felt it had some very useful data for future reference. I can do a cliff notes version of it tonight or tomorrow.
I am all for studies and i think some studies have taught us a few things, thanks to mikep pushing the subject along with others in the scientific community. But here is what i see. A bunch of vapors still trying to find a missing link. It surely can't be better then smoking, there has to be a catch ON SOME LEVEL. Some vapers are still not sure no matter how much better they feel vaping. I will admit, we feel better because we are not taking in loads of tar for STARTERS, of course we are going to feel better. The potential poison in vaping may not show up for decades. Note i say potential. So we have been down the diketone street, high temp avenue and we have learned alot. What is there still to learn? only time will tell. I think we are going to learn that there are still harms to be discovered. I have no doubt it's yet to come and will come. All we can go by is how much vaping has improved our current status...that's all we have folks...for now. That's all we have. We are venturing into the unknown..a territory unexplored by science...real science. We are taking chances for a better outcome with no guarantees. It's no guarantees that has us on edge and sadly, we don't have those studies to put our souls at rest on the subject. I don't expect any answers anytime soon unfortunately. So what do we do in the meantime...wait and let our health guide us. It's all we have.
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