SE, NJoy vs FDA -- Discussion

[kristin]

Where else can we get e-juice ?? I don't see it being sold in stores or malls. Maybe in the future, but not now.

Since e-liquid is now made in the U.S., if internet sales/mailing are banned (which is HIGHLY UNLIKELY) then the U.S. companies will just get a lot of business from tobacco shops and convenience stores. I know I would be going to my local tobacco shop and giving them the name of Johnson Creek and other e-liquid vendors like Nhaler and telling the manage/owner "Order this stuff and I guarantee you'll sell it!" For example, Drew at Nhaler would just get more business from tobacco stores as a distributor than direct sales to individual vapers (he could still sell locally.) Since he'd be selling so much more volume, prices would likely stay where they are now and I'd be able to get my Octane Mochaccino in town with no more waiting for the postal carrier!

Capitalism in the U.S. will always work out a solution - it's classic supply and demand. There is no demand in tobacco shops because we can get it online - if we cannot get it online, we'd request it from tobacco shops and they will carry it, because then there would be a demand and the tobacco shops will want the sales!

 

[ShannonA]

Since e-liquid is now made in the U.S., if internet sales/mailing are banned (which is HIGHLY UNLIKELY) then the U.S. companies will just get a lot of business from tobacco shops and convenience stores. I know I would be going to my local tobacco shop and giving them the name of Johnson Creek and other e-liquid vendors like Nhaler and telling the manage/owner "Order this stuff and I guarantee you'll sell it!" For example, Drew at Nhaler would just get more business from tobacco stores as a distributor than direct sales to individual vapers (he could still sell locally.) Since he'd be selling so much more volume, prices would likely stay where they are now and I'd be able to get my Octane Mochaccino in town with no more waiting for the postal carrier!

Capitalism in the U.S. will always work out a solution - it's classic supply and demand. There is no demand in tobacco shops because we can get it online - if we cannot get it online, we'd request it from tobacco shops and they will carry it, because then there would be a demand and the tobacco shops will want the sales!

There are tobacco shops in my area that sell ecig kits and liquids. We have one accross town that sells both but the liquid is twice the price DFW charges for theirs (probably is DFW's too I don't know because so far I've stayed enough ahead of the game to not have to find out).

 

[The Wiz]

Since e-liquid is now made in the U.S., if internet sales/mailing are banned (which is HIGHLY UNLIKELY) then the U.S. companies will just get a lot of business from tobacco shops and convenience stores. I know I would be going to my local tobacco shop and giving them the name of Johnson Creek and other e-liquid vendors like Nhaler and telling the manage/owner "Order this stuff and I guarantee you'll sell it!" For example, Drew at Nhaler would just get more business from tobacco stores as a distributor than direct sales to individual vapers (he could still sell locally.) Since he'd be selling so much more volume, prices would likely stay where they are now and I'd be able to get my Octane Mochaccino in town with no more waiting for the postal carrier!

Capitalism in the U.S. will always work out a solution - it's classic supply and demand. There is no demand in tobacco shops because we can get it online - if we cannot get it online, we'd request it from tobacco shops and they will carry it, because then there would be a demand and the tobacco shops will want the sales!

Kristen......I have a bad feeling that if internet sales are prohibited the large part of our suppliers here will be out of buisness. The time between getting organized to sell directly to brick and mortor shops and the wait for these to really catch on with the general public will result in a blackout period for our friends. As you mentioned, Guys like Drew will have the greater chance to capitalize from dealing directly through local shops........It's the little guys I worry about.

Hope this doesn't come to life.

Wiz!

 

[DataPhreak]

Well, I highly doubt they will try to ban internet sales of the devices themselves, as they would have to ban tobacco paraphenalia, such as pipes and papers, as well. Heck, you can buy paraphenalia for drugs on the internet still. As far as the liquid, they won't ban the ingredients, so there will be a lot of do it yourselfers out there putting up guides. Soon we'll have recipe sites. (Why don't we have recipe sites yet? Do we?) Those who want to vape but not put out the effort will probably just buy whatever is available in the shops. People will also stock up. There's always a way around the law. After all, that's kinda what ecigs were until they started writing in laws specifically tailored to include ecigs.

 

[JustJulie]

Hey, guys . . . popping in to let you know that (1) I am still checking the docket, and (2) there is nothing to report.

VapersPlace Live is doing a special edition show this Thursday night, 9:00 p.m. EST: "So we're a tobacco product. Now what?" Yolanda Villa (CASAA), Bill Godshall (Smokefree Pennsylvania) and I will be discussing what we can expect now that the FDA has agreed to regulate e-cigarettes as tobacco products. Should be an interesting show.

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I will most likely NOT be checking the docket Friday (and I'll be checking it late on Monday) because I'll be out of town. Our oldest is graduating college Sunday, and I couldn't be prouder. What a great Mother's Day present!

 

[The Wiz]

Hey, guys . . . popping in to let you know that (1) I am still checking the docket, and (2) there is nothing to report.

VapersPlace Live is doing a special edition show this Thursday night, 9:00 p.m. EST: "So we're a tobacco product. Now what?" Yolanda Villa (CASAA), Bill Godshall (Smokefree Pennsylvania) and I will be discussing what we can expect now that the FDA has agreed to regulate e-cigarettes as tobacco products. Should be an interesting show.

Special Edition So were a tobacco product. Now what 05/05 by kevbow | Blog Talk Radio

I will most likely NOT be checking the docket Friday (and I'll be checking it late on Monday) because I'll be out of town. Our oldest is graduating college Sunday, and I couldn't be prouder. What a great Mother's Day present!

JJ........Thanks for the link I will try and tune in from work.Sounds like a great show.

Happy Mothers Day to you.......And congrats to the college grad!!

Wiz!

 

[jj2]

Hey, guys . . . popping in to let you know that (1) I am still checking the docket, and (2) there is nothing to report.

VapersPlace Live is doing a special edition show this Thursday night, 9:00 p.m. EST: "So we're a tobacco product. Now what?" Yolanda Villa (CASAA), Bill Godshall (Smokefree Pennsylvania) and I will be discussing what we can expect now that the FDA has agreed to regulate e-cigarettes as tobacco products. Should be an interesting show.

Special Edition So were a tobacco product. Now what 05/05 by kevbow | Blog Talk Radio

I will most likely NOT be checking the docket Friday (and I'll be checking it late on Monday) because I'll be out of town. Our oldest is graduating college Sunday, and I couldn't be prouder. What a great Mother's Day present!

Congrats to Mom, Dad, and daughter!!! It is indeed a proud moment.

Thanks for the update with nothing to update.

 

[CJsKee]

Oooooweeee!!! That should be a great show...can't wait!

Congrats to your daughter and her family, Julie!

 

[D103]

Julie - Crongratulations to you, your family and especially your daughter!!

This is a little off topic but does pertain to the legal case re: FDA. I am still feeling enormously grateful to all those who helped to achieve our current status and I'm more than aware that we have many battles ahead. That being said I still feel compelled to extend our gratitude to the Sottera Legal team and I would appreciate some feedback on the following idea:
We-CASAA purchase and have engraved a quality Award Plaque to send to the Legal Firm who represented Sottera, and esssentially all of us, so brilliantly - and send an accompanying card of thanks signed by all CASAA board members with their respective titles and electronically signed by every CASAA member who chose to, either with their full name or just their first name and last initial. I don't know how many CASAA members there are but I am guessing it is over one thousand - that would be an impressive signature list and would demonstrate our sincerity and who we are as a collective group. If cost is a problem I would be willing to cover the cost, though I don't anticipate it would be. The plaque could read as follows:

THE DAVID AND GOLIATH AWARD
FOR
LEGAL EXCELLENCE

In recognition of outstanding, tireless and truly inspired legal representation
of your client NJOY and in so doing, the entire e-cigarette consumer conmmunity,
we, the members and the Board of CASAA wish to extend our sincerest and most
heartfelt appreciation and gratitude for your superb professionalism and skillful execution
in achieving a landmark legal victory in the case against the Federal Food and Drug
Administration.
*THANK YOU ALL*

I would appreciate any feedback from members and board members. Thanks!

 

[JerryRM]

Thanks Julie and congratulations to your daughter.

 

[Rosco]

Thanks Julie and congratulations to your daughter.

Congratulations Julie, may her future be bright.

 

[Bovinia]

Congrats to your daughter and your family Julie! A wonderful Mother's Day indeed

 

[BCB]

I think that's an excellent idea, D103. They deserve it.

And congrats to Julie for your grad! Happy mother's day!

 

[rothenbj]

Thanks Julie, for the update And catching Jerry off guard.


Richard, I think the plaque idea is a great one. I'd also be willing to get involved with the financing of it and I really only recreationally vape anymore but I may become a vendor if I can figure out how to build a transmitter that I can attach to my PV so I don't have to remember where I left it last.

It would need to be small enough to attach to my glasses also since that was my original misplacement issue, long before PVs were marketed.

Also congrats to your daughter!!

 

[JustJulie]

Thanks for all the good wishes, guys.

D103--Love the idea of a plaque. Count me in.

 

[TheKingOfKool]

The Lawsuit is only just begining. The only thing they won is the preliminary injunction. I think it's a little premature to send them an award when the court case hasn't even started yet.

 

[JustJulie]

The Lawsuit is only just begining. The only thing they won is the preliminary injunction. I think it's a little premature to send them an award when the court case hasn't even started yet.

Well, the FDA has accepted the legal arguments advanced by the NJOY lawyers regarding how e-cigarettes should be regulated. The only thing left to argue about is whether NJOY has made any therapeutic claims that would subject its product to regulation as a drug/drug delivery device rather than tobacco.

 

[D103]

@The KingOfKool

Unless I'm mistaken the FDA has backed off their insistance that e-cigs be classified as a drug or drug device and agreed to classify and regulate e-cigs as a "tobacco product". While I fully understand there will be many battles and court cases yet to come, I do believe that this accomplishment is significant and is due, in large measure, to the Sottera's Legal Team's victory in Federal Court. Certainly, a sincere gesture of our thanks and a symbolic "pat on the back", which is really all that an award/plaque from us would be, could not seriously be considered premature in my opinion - but I respect your opinion and understand your reasons for restraint and caution.

 

[rothenbj]

KoK, I think it would be difficult for the FDA to again shift their stance. They got pressured into their original drug and drug delivery stance by our friends, the non-profits, got spanked by the judge that would have heard the real case (as I understand it), got spanked at the appeals level and issued a statement that E Cigs would be treated as a tobacco product.

I suppose that they could again shift course. However, if you consider how long it took to get this far and the lack of ammunition in terms of health risk, it would be extremely difficult to do that now. It's a shame there are no reliable numbers for how many have been introduced to vaping. I know a lot who have tried and reverted back to smoking, mainly due to not finding a product that worked for them. My gf tried (talked me into it actually) then went back to smoking. She went away and now two years later is back and seems to be getting it. If even a third of those that tried, try again and succeed, there will be a huge market in another two years making it even harder for the FDA to make a case.

Then there's the Big Three. If they start test marketing, look out.

 

[JerryRM]

Thanks, Julie........