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Oriana871

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Nice donut!! They're all great, my fav is the Helix :)

Back to the topic, wanted to add that I had such a hard time finding anyone who reacted to vaper this way in ECF threads. It was always about liking or not liking the juice flavour smell. One or two comments out of hundreds that were bothered by the vaper itself (dry eyes, throat irritation). That's why I thought it was a bit strange...
 

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If he has a throat sensitivity, then that pretty much explains it. Vapor is irritating to the throat, that's why we get a throat hit. I have had a couple of people complain, one was legitimate and one is just this idiot who smokes and has some sort of insecurity, some of her gem comments include: "Hey, aren't you like, smoking like, battery acid? You know, since there's like, batteries in that thing?" and "Smoking is so much better, I don't care if I die!", as well as fake coughing when walking by me. So if he's just telling you straight up it's bothering him, not being snarky or an ... about it, then it's more than likely legitimately bothering him. Some of my suggestions are: vape in another room or room(s) from the one right near his, if that's not possible then rearrange the furniture in the room you vape in in a way that's conducive to keeping the vapor away from his curtain, ask him go splits on a fan, open his window, or just deal with it (since you own the place, it seems). If he won't compromise, then you know he's just being a jerk :)
 

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I am overly conscious about the effect my vaping has on others around me. I suppose this is a remnant from the time when I was a smoker and tried not to annoy anyone with the smoke. My girlfriend has been very supportive since I started almost four months ago. She tells me that she usually doesn't smell anything when I vape (except from one particular flavor, but she said that it was not strong nor unpleasant). I vape inside in our bedroom where I have my computer and every so often she coughs, especially after she has gone to bed. I think that this is due to the fact that our room has poor ventilation and the vapor accumulates in the ambient air. I also think that she is more sensitive than most with olfactory stimuli. I supect that the PG in the vapor may be causing her to cough. Nobody has ever complained to me, even when I vape indoors or inside a vehicle. I certainly don't feel that I am harming them in any way. I do avoid vaping when there are tots and babies present.
 

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I would let a renter control me to a certain extent if they're easy to live with and pay rent :).

Since I'm at home I looking at a distance of more like 10ft from where I was vaping to his curtain. I suspect he can smell it a touch and is making a deal out of it. Especially since it's so hard to find other similar circumstances on ECF.

Anyway I'll suggest the fan and if that's not enough, then will have to think of Plan B, which could be more drastic.
 

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Found some info to verify my hypothesis, from Wiki on PG:
"Prolonged contact with propylene glycol is essentially non-irritating to the skin.[16] Undiluted propylene glycol is minimally irritating to the eye, and can produce slight transient conjunctivitis (the eye recovers after the exposure is removed). Exposure to mists may cause eye irritation, as well as upper respiratory tract irritation. Inhalation of the propylene glycol vapors appears to present no significant hazard in ordinary applications. However, limited human experience indicates that inhalation of propylene glycol mists could be irritating to some individuals.[17] Some research has suggested that propylene glycol not be used in applications where inhalation exposure or human eye contact with the spray mists of these materials is likely, such as fogs for theatrical productions or antifreeze solutions for emergency eye wash stations.[18]"
 

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IMO sounds like the same people who complained overly loud every chance they got and to anyone who would listen, about cigarette smoke.

Being off analogs for a couple of weeks now, I can understand to a point, they DO stink but Ive often wondered how those same people made it to work or out to eat if they were so sensitive.Seems like cracking a window and getting a hint of exhaust fumes SHOULD have made them violently ill.Same thing goes for standing in line and catching a whiff of body odor.

Some people just want to complain.
 

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Steam from a hot shower, the rich vapor from a fresh brewed pot of coffee, pasta cooking on the stove, the smell of microwave popcorn while cooking, a foggy morning, his own flatulence, house dust, deoderant spray, bacon frying in a pan.

If your vaping is bothering him then these things should be putting him near death, seriously, I can understand a complaint about a flavor but I have no empathy for someone complaining about the water vapor exhaled from my lungs.

Punch him in the berries..
 

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My niece was here for the first time since I started vaping, and when I blew vapor out, she automatically started to wave her hand in front of her face (which absolutely irritates me to no end when people do this, especially when they would follow me around OUTSIDE while I was smoking) and then she sniffed and apparently liked the smell because she smiled. Can't really blame her because she has an ignorant mother who is training her to like and dislike everything she (the mother) does.
 

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OK this has no doubt been discussed on ECF?:

"A number of studies have been published on the potential health effects presented by exposure to glycol based theatrical fogs and artificial mists.

Two studies, a Health Hazard Evaluation completed in 1994 by the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health,[3] and another one in 2000 by the Department of Community and Preventative Medicine at the Mount Sinai School of Medicine and ENVIRON;[4] both prepared for Actors Equity and the League of American Theatres and Producers, focused on the effects on actors and performers in Broadway musicals. The conclusion of both studies was that there was irritation of mucous membranes such as the eyes and the respiratory tract associated with extended peak exposure to theatrical fog. Exposure guidelines were outlined in the 2000 study that, it was determined, should prevent actors from suffering adverse impact to their health or vocal abilities.

Another study [5] focused on the use of theatrical fog in the commercial aviation industry for emergency training of staff in simulated fire conditions. This study also found eye and respiratory tract irritation.

In May 2005, a study published in the American Journal of Industrial Medicine,[6] conducted by the School of Environment and Health at the University of British Columbia, looked at adverse respiratory effects in crew members on a wide variety of entertainment venues ranging from live theatres, concerts, television and film productions to a video arcade. This study determined that cumulative exposure to mineral oil and glycol-based fogs were associated with acute and chronic adverse effects on respiratory health. This study found that short-term exposure to glycol fog was associated with coughing, dry throat, headaches, dizziness, drowsiness, and tiredness. This study also found long-term exposure to smoke and fog was associated with both short-term and long-term respiratory problems such as chest tightness and wheezing. Personnel working closest to the fog machines had reduced lung function results.

The Entertainment Services and Technology Association (ESTA) has compiled a standard for theatrical fogs or artificial mists compositions for use in entertainment venues that "are not likely to be harmful to otherwise healthy performers, technicians, or audience members of normal working age, which is 18 to 64 years of age, inclusive."[7] This standard was based primarily (though not exclusively), upon the findings of a report commissioned for ESTA by the Cohen Group[8] and applies only those fog fluid compositions that consist of a mixture of water and glycol (so called "water based" fog fluid).

Short term exposure to glycol fog can be associated with headaches, dizziness, drowsiness and tiredness. Long term exposure to smoke and fog can be related to upper airway and voice symptoms. Extended (multi-year) exposure to smoke and fog has been associated with both short-term and long-term respiratory health problems. Efforts should be made to reduce exposure to theatrical smoke to as low a level as possible. The use of digital effects in post production on film and television sets can be considered a safer practise than using theatrical smoke and fog during filming,[9] although this is not always practical."

I've experienced chest tightening, but thought it was the SOB from quitting smoking, and my throat got irritated this week from vaping. Have been using more VG which is harder on my system. The above info is scary - long-term vaping is surely to produce the same results, yes?
 

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OK this has no doubt been discussed on ECF?:

"A number of studies have been published on the potential health effects presented by exposure to glycol based theatrical fogs and artificial mists.

Two studies, a Health Hazard Evaluation completed in 1994 by the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health,[3] and another one in 2000 by the Department of Community and Preventative Medicine at the Mount Sinai School of Medicine and ENVIRON;[4] both prepared for Actors Equity and the League of American Theatres and Producers, focused on the effects on actors and performers in Broadway musicals. The conclusion of both studies was that there was irritation of mucous membranes such as the eyes and the respiratory tract associated with extended peak exposure to theatrical fog. Exposure guidelines were outlined in the 2000 study that, it was determined, should prevent actors from suffering adverse impact to their health or vocal abilities.

Another study [5] focused on the use of theatrical fog in the commercial aviation industry for emergency training of staff in simulated fire conditions. This study also found eye and respiratory tract irritation.

In May 2005, a study published in the American Journal of Industrial Medicine,[6] conducted by the School of Environment and Health at the University of British Columbia, looked at adverse respiratory effects in crew members on a wide variety of entertainment venues ranging from live theatres, concerts, television and film productions to a video arcade. This study determined that cumulative exposure to mineral oil and glycol-based fogs were associated with acute and chronic adverse effects on respiratory health. This study found that short-term exposure to glycol fog was associated with coughing, dry throat, headaches, dizziness, drowsiness, and tiredness. This study also found long-term exposure to smoke and fog was associated with both short-term and long-term respiratory problems such as chest tightness and wheezing. Personnel working closest to the fog machines had reduced lung function results.

The Entertainment Services and Technology Association (ESTA) has compiled a standard for theatrical fogs or artificial mists compositions for use in entertainment venues that "are not likely to be harmful to otherwise healthy performers, technicians, or audience members of normal working age, which is 18 to 64 years of age, inclusive."[7] This standard was based primarily (though not exclusively), upon the findings of a report commissioned for ESTA by the Cohen Group[8] and applies only those fog fluid compositions that consist of a mixture of water and glycol (so called "water based" fog fluid).

Short term exposure to glycol fog can be associated with headaches, dizziness, drowsiness and tiredness. Long term exposure to smoke and fog can be related to upper airway and voice symptoms. Extended (multi-year) exposure to smoke and fog has been associated with both short-term and long-term respiratory health problems. Efforts should be made to reduce exposure to theatrical smoke to as low a level as possible. The use of digital effects in post production on film and television sets can be considered a safer practise than using theatrical smoke and fog during filming,[9] although this is not always practical."

I've experienced chest tightening, but thought it was the SOB from quitting smoking, and my throat got irritated this week from vaping. Have been using more VG which is harder on my system. The above info is scary - long-term vaping is surely to produce the same results, yes?

Well, one big difference is that fog machines use triethylene glycol more than propylene glycol. I'm not sure what difference that would make, but it is different.
 

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Found this straight from ESTA via ECF:

Prolonged and repeated inhalation of triethylene glycol and propylene glycol concentrations well
above those present in high-density fog theatrical productions has been repeatedly demonstrated
to not pose a health hazard to human subjects. Both glycols have generally been found to be not
irritating to the eyes and skin, although splashing the pure compound into the eye may produce
transient irritation. However, even though propylene glycol is widely used in topically applied
cosmetics and pharmaceuticals, it is known to produce allergic skin reactions and/or primary
irritation in unusually sensitive individuals.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...able-glycerin-vg-polyethylene-glycol-peg.html

Weird that the Wikipedia quote above (sorry forgot to reference in my previous post) contradicts the ESTA study: Fog machine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oh well, I obviously wasn't concerned enough to stop smoking for so many years, and vaping is still better. It isn't natural to be intentionally inhaling stuff so there's bound to be some potential consequences. Stuck with an overly sensitive roomy, will just have to deal with it! But I ain't going outside to vape :).
 

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Sure were. Here's what I got:

Unobtainium Peanut
scaled.php

I really like that peanut!
 

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Hell to the YEAAH!

Oriana... off-topic: I see in your sig that you've saved more in a month & a half than I have in almost 4! OMFG!! How much are smokes in Toronto??

Anywhere from $10.50 (that was a deal) to $12/pk. Benson & Hedges
Pretty expensive brand and also expensive here (taxed to the nines) :(

How much did you pay per pack?
 

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Ahh that would be the dumps having to vape on someone elses terms. I could suggest blowing it into the old tried and true toilet paper tube with laundry sheets, but part of the reason you like vaping is cause you don't have to worry about any of that bs.

Initially I thought your roomy was just one of those people who like to find something to complain about. But if he's really more easy going than that, I could understand that his room is his private space, and he doesn't want anything he can't control invading it.

For an example: In my apartment, my neighbours can get really 420 friendly on some days to the point where it seeps through my walls, stinks up my place and even effects me (negatively, unfortunately) while I'm trying to bump out a project. I've got no qualms with anyone who partakes in something like that, but when it starts invading my personal space with no means of me controlling it, I can't help but get a bit upset.

Either way, I hope you can remedy the situation. Sounds funny, but vaping/smoking in an empty bathtub with a book or a laptop is pretty relaxing.
 
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