Second-Hand Vapor and Pets

[Scaralouche]

I kind of hate saying anything regarding such a hot button topic, but personally I would make sure a room I vaped in with a pet would have adequate ventilation. Here's how I see it: Even a small amount of nicotine in the air could have consequences on an animal with such a small respiratory system. Nicotine is a stimulant, and a small amount could go a long way in such a small set of lungs. This is just my own opinion, and I don't own any pets. But when I visit my friend who has a very old dog, I sit by the open window when I vape. My choice. Just in case. Because if my friend's dear old dog suddenly died from tachycardia while I was filling the room with vapor, I'd never be able to live with myself.

of course, it's not your house. personally, i would go outside, just the same, if i were visiting someone else's house. didnt read if you got specific permission to vape inside. anyway, as i've said, 7 year old cats who've been vaped around for six of them, they're fine. they don't even leave the room.

EDIT: by the way.....FRELLING YOTS!!!

 

[Noble Gas]

of course, it's not your house. personally, i would go outside, just the same, if i were visiting someone else's house. didnt read if you got specific permission to vape inside. anyway, as i've said, 7 year old cats who've been vaped around for six of them, they're fine. they don't even leave the room.

EDIT: by the way.....FRELLING YOTS!!!

My friend loves it that I don't smoke anymore. She's not crazy about the vaping, but she's thrilled that I don't stink up her apartment for three days every time I come over. Which I did when I smoked, even though I never smoked indoors with her. So yeah, I have permission and she's never even asked if it might hurt her dog. She says 'sit anywhere you like', and I always sit by the open window and blow my vape towards it. And yeah, it might be completely harmless and if that were scientifically proven to me I would probably still do it out of habit and respect. At home, however, I have no ventilation in my tiny apartment and it usually looks like fogville in here, but I live alone so no one complains.

+1 like for the Farscape reference hehe.

 

[Despraci]

Sorry mate,

Do you get a coffee buzz from hanging out at Starbucks?

Please provide credible proof OR state it is ONLY your OPINION. (no anecdotal evidence please)

FUD is FUD... STOP THE FUD.


cheers
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The was a study done and I will see if I can find the link too into, and the studying was still in favor of e-cigs and vapor of being better and healthier. But if I recall correctly the exhaled vapor still contained nicotine and trace amounts of other chemicals, which was still significant lower then analogs.

The testing was done I a controlled environment using e-cigs like Blu or similar brand. The end result was that e-cigs exhaled vapor was significantly lower in any chemicals but still contained trace amounts of nicotine. It was not done with somebody cloud chasing in a small enclosed room either.

I am not attacking vaping or saying people shouldn't do something because I don't agree with their choice of where they vape. If you walked into Starbucks and every patron in there spit coffee down your throat, the yes you would get buzzed. The vapor we inhale into our mouths contains nicotine and other chemicals, it's why we vape. 100% of the nicotine and chemicals are not absorbed by the user. If it was just water vapor then it would have no odor at all and a person in the same room would not be able to detect and aroma. For a scent to be present there has to be a reason.

Personally in my opinion I try to be courteous of those around me. My friends have asked me to walk away when the aroma from certain flavors have made them nauseous. But on the reverse side, my fiancée that seems to be allergic everything has never had a single reaction to anything I vaped.

Again I am not attacking anything or anyone, I will see if I can find the article if possible, it did state vapor (even second hand was still safer and significantly lower then analogs). If you wish attack me, berate me, criticize me, humiliate me, because you believe vapor we exhale is 100% water then by all means do so. If you want to blow large clouds into your newborns face, go for it. If you want to kick you dog down the hall as you try out a new custard vape, I suggest some steel toed shoes. And if you want to spit your mouth full or your morning brew down the throats of another Starbucks customer, enjoy and post how pleased they were with you. Personally I don't care as long as it doesn't effect me.

 

[Izan]

The was a study done and I will see if I can find the link too into, and the studying was still in favor of e-cigs and vapor of being better and healthier. But if I recall correctly the exhaled vapor still contained nicotine and trace amounts of other chemicals, which was still significant lower then analogs.

The testing was done I a controlled environment using e-cigs like Blu or similar brand. The end result was that e-cigs exhaled vapor was significantly lower in any chemicals but still contained trace amounts of nicotine. It was not done with somebody cloud chasing in a small enclosed room either.

I am not attacking vaping or saying people shouldn't do something because I don't agree with their choice of where they vape. If you walked into Starbucks and every patron in there spit coffee down your throat, the yes you would get buzzed. The vapor we inhale into our mouths contains nicotine and other chemicals, it's why we vape. 100% of the nicotine and chemicals are not absorbed by the user. If it was just water vapor then it would have no odor at all and a person in the same room would not be able to detect and aroma. For a scent to be present there has to be a reason.

Personally in my opinion I try to be courteous of those around me. My friends have asked me to walk away when the aroma from certain flavors have made them nauseous. But on the reverse side, my fiancée that seems to be allergic everything has never had a single reaction to anything I vaped.

Again I am not attacking anything or anyone, I will see if I can find the article if possible, it did state vapor (even second hand was still safer and significantly lower then analogs). If you wish attack me, berate me, criticize me, humiliate me, because you believe vapor we exhale is 100% water then by all means do so. If you want to blow large clouds into your newborns face, go for it. If you want to kick you dog down the hall as you try out a new custard vape, I suggest some steel toed shoes. And if you want to spit your mouth full or your morning brew down the throats of another Starbucks customer, enjoy and post how pleased they were with you. Personally I don't care as long as it doesn't effect me.

Mark Twain once said

"What gets us into trouble is not what we don't know, it's what we know for sure that just ain't so?"

Cheers
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[madpiano]

The thing with cats is, that they just can't metabolize fragrances well. My vet warned me about this when I started soap making. My cat isn't bothered by Vaping either and does seem to positively enjoy some fragrances. Flavours and fragrances are made the same way and they do contain parts of essential oils. But I still think that scented candles and air fresheners are much worse for them

 

[WharfRat1976]

My GF has a teacup Chihuahua, all 3.55 pounds of her. Her name is Bella and I love her very much. After a torrid vape day/ session she got ill and liquid vomited (sorry for the visual) all over the carpet. Well, suffice it to say that was the end of my vape career inside my GF's apartment. I have to go out on the porch now to get my hits

I understand that Bella is such a tiny dog with the smallest of systems but my answer to the OP's question is yes, Vape bi-product has the ability to harm pets. She recovered perfectly well the next day. She acted quite punk for the duration of that day.

My 2nd hand vapor also makes my GF nauseous. Seriously nauseous.

 

[JMarca]

Sorry mate,

Do you get a coffee buzz from hanging out at Starbucks?

Please provide credible proof OR state it is ONLY your OPINION. (no anecdotal evidence please)

FUD is FUD... STOP THE FUD.


cheers
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If we live by these rules the burden of proof would fall onto the exhaled vapor not the safety precaution...

Fact is we can't prove there is anything wrong with it but at the same time we can't prove it isn't harmful either. When we have cases like this we take precautions over risks, until otherwise stated if you love your animals and don't want to take any chances just don't do it around them.

 

[Izan]

If we live by these rules the burden of proof would fall onto the exhaled vapor not the safety precaution...

Fact is we can't prove there is anything wrong with it but at the same time we can't prove it isn't harmful either. When we have cases like this we take precautions over risks, until otherwise stated if you love your animals and don't want to take any chances just don't do it around them.

Okay....



FUD IS FUD
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[JMarca]

Okay....

FUD IS FUD
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The skepticism or in this case fact is that you are vaporizing different elements and releasing them into the air in vapor form.
Whether or not it is harmful we just don't know yet, but that's not skepticism that's a fact, you're video doesn't really apply here.
Unless you can scientifically prove otherwise precaution > risk.

 

[WharfRat1976]

The skepticism or in this case fact is that you are vaporizing different elements and releasing them into the air in vapor form.
Whether or not it is harmful we just don't know yet, but that's not skepticism that's a fact, you're video doesn't really apply here.
Unless you can scientifically prove otherwise precaution > risk.

I can definitively prove it is not "helpful."...LOL

 

[WharfRat1976]

randi randi randi should have stayed frozen in that ice block.

 

[WharfRat1976]

errrrr meeeer geeeeeerd

 

[WharfRat1976]

yea yea yea yea yea

 

[crxess]

My
Casual Vaping - You know, the kind that gets us off Cigs, would not have any harmful effect. Not real sure what all these chemicals are you people keep worrying about but my e-liquid:
A)Nicotine Base @3mg/ml
B)FDA GRAS Flavoring
C) FOOD GRADE (USP) PG
D)FOOD GRADE(USP) VG

Most of this is directly filtered on Inhale (for me) and there is not much of it to start with.
Is your Kitchen a Hazard Zone because you are cooking with Herbs, Spices and Oils? All of that Steaming into the air to be breathed!

As to (MY) thoughts on getting a Second Hand Buzz from a Cloud Chasing Session:
Maybe possible.........
Closed Small room, Big Clouds, Heavy inhaling and lots of exhaling CO2 - I call it Oxygen deprivation.
You can get the same from sleeping in a small room with Doors and windows closed. Commonly noticed be couples. Less air to share.

 

[Rocketpunk]

I know the OP's question was regarding cats and dogs, but I've had two guinea pigs for around two years now and I vape 24 mg/18 mg and they're still fiesty, rambunctious, naughty little girls. And hey, of all animals, being literal guinea pigs, aren't they ripe for Q&A?

 

[Towmotor]

A couple of posts suggest that cats dont handle fragrances well. I dont know anything about that, but I did read recently that cats and PG dont mix. Subsequently while PG is commonly used in Dog food it is not used for Cat food. Perhaps it would be wise not to exhale PG vapor directly into Kitty's face wether she seems to like the aroma or not

 

[sincerelysasquatch]

Personally, I do not vape PG because of my cat and my baby. PG can cause problems in cats and it is a mild irritant (which is why it produces a "throat hit") so I don't want it around my son, eithef.

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[skoony]

Well, first of all, thank you so much to everyone for their kind input. I don't think I'll worry much about my lil' mutt and vapor anymore. However, I was a bit disconcerted by Izan's comment.



Izan, whatever Starbucks you go to must vaporize coffee or something, because I'm a bit confused on your claim, and frankly, despite your "Ultra Member" title, can't tell if you're trolling or just chose a really bad metaphor. A person smoking a cigarette will exhale smoke, that can be inhaled by nearby humans and animals. Same thing goes for vapor. Starbucks doesn't vaporize and emit inhalable coffee vapor.

the coffee is vaporizing but,as it contains no PG/VG you cant see it.
regards
mike

 

[TamiP]

Dog, cat, 55 gal fish tank and Yellow Naped Amazon Parrot (parrot and other birds are VERY suseptible to any hazardous material in the air, and even burning teflon from an oven or frying pan can kill them) and none of them have ever had a reaction to my vaping constantly in the same room with them. Dog and cat do not leave although of course, I don't blow it in their faces, that's just rude, lol. Bird has never shown even a minor effect, and fish are all alive and healthy. Small room, small house, no problems.

 

[Boletus]

yea yea yea yea yea

OK, so just how much time do you spend trying to derail threads? You tried to stifle a valuable conversation I was having too. If the discussion is not to your liking, to bad. If it's not something you feel should be reported to the Mods, you can always stop reading and do something else. Not everyone is fragile enough to need to close their minds when something makes them a bit uncomfortable.