Seed steeping advice?

[Hans Wermhat]

I've been trying it with my tobaccos and I'm getting some results, but I'm not sure if they are in the same ballpark you guys describe. I'm wondering what your methods are. How much do you leave in the bottle vs. how much you add to the top? I've tried it at 10% seed to 30% seed and find that I still need to let it sit for a week or so to get good results. Some of the posts I've seen make it sound like no further steeping is needed. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks, y'all.

 

[dannyv45]

Seed steeping is combining 10 - 15% already steeped juice with a freshly mixed juice. It cuts steeping time to 2 - 3 days instead of weeks. Some mixes can take up to a week as you describe but that's still better then waiting 3 - 5 weeks.

For more on steeping read my blog.

Everything you wanted to know about steeping and then some. | E-Cigarette Forum

 

[Jdurand]

I just tried this method myself, with a custard recipe I love. Custards will turn a certain yellow/gold color when they are ready. With adding 15% steeped to a fresh bottle, by morning the whole new bottle turned that nice color from almost clear. I'm going to give it a try Saturday morning, but it looks ready to vape right now.

 

[dannyv45]

I just tried this method myself, with a custard recipe I love. Custards will turn a certain yellow/gold color when they are ready. With adding 15% steeped to a fresh bottle, by morning the whole new bottle turned that nice color from almost clear. I'm going to give it a try Saturday morning, but it looks ready to vape right now.

It very well could be ready now so give it a try. You have nothing to loose except needing to wait a little longer.

 

[Jdurand]

I agree, going to try it when I get home today. I'll do my best to remember to report back.

And thanks Danny, your blogs have helped me out a lot.

 

[Hans Wermhat]

Thanks guys. It's working better for some flavors than others. A couple are right overnight. A couple more in a day or 2. But there's one that's been steeping for a week and still isn't up to snuff. I was just curious if I was missing something.

 

[dannyv45]

Thanks guys. It's working better for some flavors than others. A couple are right overnight. A couple more in a day or 2. But there's one that's been steeping for a week and still isn't up to snuff. I was just curious if I was missing something.

You seem to be doing it correctly. The only thing I can think of is maybe you didn't add enough seed juice. Maybe it needs 20%. Or maybe the formulation of the new juice was off a bit.

 

[Hans Wermhat]

It's IW Captain Jack for Pipe that's giving me issues. It's an awesome strong tobacco with hints of cocoa, but the tobacco is overpowering when it's fresh. The cocoa doesn't really come through till about the one month mark. It's not an ADV, but I vape a tank just about every day when I have a bottle that's ready. I 'd like to shorten the steep time on it so I don't have to keep 50+ml of it made up with another steeping. I'm working on a mix with it and vanilla swirl and cappuccino as well that could be an ADV if I can find a way to steep it faster. I may have to try a heat steep with it.

 

[dannyv45]

It's IW Captain Jack for Pipe that's giving me issues. It's an awesome strong tobacco with hints of cocoa, but the tobacco is overpowering when it's fresh. The cocoa doesn't really come through till about the one month mark. It's not an ADV, but I vape a tank just about every day when I have a bottle that's ready. I 'd like to shorten the steep time on it so I don't have to keep 50+ml of it made up with another steeping. I'm working on a mix with it and vanilla swirl and cappuccino as well that could be an ADV if I can find a way to steep it faster. I may have to try a heat steep with it.

Chocolate is a hard nut to crack. I work with chocolate all the time and find it needs far more steeping time then others that I mix. So what your seeing is not unusual but seed steeping should speed things up it just takes longer.

I usually don't give recipe advice but add 1 - 1.5% inawera CZEKOLADA (Chocolate) to it or any nutty, earthy or fruity tobacco mix and it will blow your mind. It's the best chocolate I've found for tobacco mixes.

 

[FrankRice]

Seed steeping is combining 10 - 15% already steeped juice with a freshly mixed juice. It cuts steeping time to 2 - 3 days instead of weeks. Some mixes can take up to a week as you describe but that's still better then waiting 3 - 5 weeks.

For more on steeping read my blog.

Everything you wanted to know about steeping and then some. | E-Cigarette Forum

Hey Danny,

Both my steeped and fresh juices are 10ml. So by adding 10 to 15 percent of the steeped juice to the fresh batch, do you mean just taking 1 to 1.5 ml of the old juice and adding it to the new? Sorry if that's a stupid question. Just wanted to make sure. Haha. Also, I'm planning to try seed steeping with a single flavour RY4 double. Any tips about what to expect?

Thanks.

 

[spalife]

Chocolate is a hard nut to crack. I work with chocolate all the time and find it needs far more steeping time then others that I mix. So what your seeing is not unusual but seed steeping should speed things up it just takes longer.

I usually don't give recipe advice but add 1 - 1.5% inawera CZEKOLADA (Chocolate) to it or any nutty, earthy or fruity tobacco mix and it will blow your mind. It's the best chocolate I've found for tobacco mixes.

Absolutely true.

I don't have Inawera CZEKOLADA (Chocolate) at the moment (will be in my next order).

Currently substituting by adding a drop of INW Cappuccino & INW Biscuit OR a drop of KAWA in 5 ml test batches to tobacco flavors....the taste and exhale are so well rounded...and finding new ADV's.

Coffee, Biscuit and Chocolate seem to mix well with tobacco's.

 

[spalife]

It's IW Captain Jack for Pipe that's giving me issues. It's an awesome strong tobacco with hints of cocoa, but the tobacco is overpowering when it's fresh. The cocoa doesn't really come through till about the one month mark. It's not an ADV, but I vape a tank just about every day when I have a bottle that's ready. I 'd like to shorten the steep time on it so I don't have to keep 50+ml of it made up with another steeping. I'm working on a mix with it and vanilla swirl and cappuccino as well that could be an ADV if I can find a way to steep it faster. I may have to try a heat steep with it.

Just a thought....

You can try with a 5 / 10 ml sample...


Step 1.
Heat steep the Fresh Jack for Pipe mix and when it is cooled down to about 80% i.e., (luke warm)
add about 10% of Jack for Pipe steep seed and

Step 2. leave it overnight in a airtight dark container

OR

Step 3. (skip step 2)
For a little bit better results turn on the microwave for about 10 seconds with nothing inside...
when the microwave finishes 10 seconds and is switched off...put the mixed Jack for Pipe bottle inside it for overnight steeping.

Next day you can try it on a dripper and see if it has matured / steeped to your tastes and
repeat above steps if required.

This seems to work for me with premixed flavors when i am trying to experiment to find new ADV's from my flavor collection.

 

[Hans Wermhat]

I don't like the results I got from heat steeping it. It brings out the piney note more than I like. I'm actually having some decent luck with normal seed steeping. I'm having to use a much larger seed % though. Like 50%. It steeps in 5 days instead of 5 weeks. The only downside is I have to keep 20 or 30 ml around for the seed.

 

[Alter]

I don't heat steep nothing other than warming up my VG with hot water to loosen it up a bit. IMO you can easily over heat your juice and it becomes caramelized garbage.
As for seeding, I put anywhere from 10-20% seed juice into a fresh mix. I know what juices I like so I mix 100mls at a time with added seed mix and my results are good.