Shake, Stir, Heat, Vibrate or let it sit?

[psycheval]

Let's see if we can wake Hoosier up. This can make your head hurt but herein lie some answers to some fairly hotly contested debates. Now these are just the things I have found and I am hopefully only using the principles in each correctly that apply to what we are doing with juice to come to my conclusion. You make your own. It looks fairly plain cut to me. I see why some people refuse to debate it. I do also after studying on this for a few days. This is very plain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_(arrow_of_time)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-theorem

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loschmidt's_paradox

What I get out of this is you put different stuff in a bottle and can either let it set and time will in our application steep it. But eventually everything in there is going to mix. To increase it's ability to do that you do something to it. Add heat, stir, shake, or agitate in any way. You put it in motion. Once you do that it can't be undone. That means the molecules mixed. To increase the rate at which the molecules mix over time you have to increase the agitation. Means to me you heat it up and shake the crap out of it and it's going to mix quicker. The longer you do both the faster that happens.

Again I put this out there for the info I'm not going to debate it. It's plain.

 

[psycheval]

Just an add to:

Thermodynamics

Second law of thermodynamics

 

[BdMoore85]

Lol love it! People get "oxidizing" and "steeping" mixed up all the time.... I finally decided its not worth arguing over it and just started to ist back and read the threads about it...but usually you can gain SOME info out of it

 

[Horselady154]

I guess I am wondering why you think your conclusions in the OP are earth-shattering. I've seen the same suggestions/conclusions posted many times and honestly, I haven't seen anyone claiming it wasn't true.

Did I miss something?

 

[dannyv45]

I perfectly understand none of this so I guess I'll contiue to shake and bake as I've always done and stay out of any arguments.

 

[Kemosabe]

what in the world is the debate your talking about? is it shaking vs not shaking? i had no idea people were arguing against shaking. o_0

 

[dannyv45]

I gather the debate is over express steeping (Shake, hot water bath etc...) or just waiting.

 

[psycheval]

I gather the debate is over express steeping (Shake, hot water bath etc...) or just waiting.

Yes that is my meaning. Some of us are not quite as on this as the rest. Rest assured I intended nothing earth shattering. I figured if you already had it in your mind it wouldn't affect you. The way I understand what I'm reading is just what I put up there. I'm not looking at oxidizing. I'm looking at entropy. And how to increase it.
May be just me but I have seen some stuff here where folks get fairly agitated if you tell them shaking and heating makes things better compared to putting it in the bottle and letting it set without touching it. First rate heated discussions and others putting in about getting popcorn and such to watch.
Folks this stuff is fairly new to me form the side of the house that's causing these little changes to happen. Do I not know that you heat something up and shake it it will blend quicker? Why Yes. I would not mind trying to understand what is happening here in total not a fly by and get it to work knowledge base. To me, I need to possess the knowledge of the system to understand it. I am very mechanical. This is me. Not you. Sure I can put some stuff in a bottle and just leave it alone but that's not me. I like to know why.
If I incorrectly assumed that there might be one or two other folks that might have a leaning this way and get something out of it. My bad. That was not my intention.

 

[dannyv45]

You seem like a very astute individual and you will get no argument from me. I think a better understanding of the steeping process and how it works is necessary. I applaud your effort in the links you posted and think that your attempt is a job well done. It may be bit technical for the average reader but still well done.

 

[psycheval]

I think too much. Sometimes that's not good. I earned my tag. I also know I'm not the only one that thinks too much. I also luckily understand what happens when 2 smart***es meet. Much less a whole group. It takes a minute for things to calm down. If I didn't want to know I wouldn't be looking for answers. I learned a long time ago your never too old to learn. I'm not afraid of attempting to do such.

 

[BakuPeg]

umm..

No debate needed or wanted. Steep the way you want to steep. Or dont steep.
Or steep on your head, Steep while swimming, Steep in the spa, Steep on a plane, Steep in your sleep. Dont really care TBH.

vape your way steep your way. Enjoy!

/thread

 

[dannyv45]

I think too much. Sometimes that's not good. I earned my tag. I also know I'm not the only one that thinks too much. I also luckily understand what happens when 2 smart***es meet. Much less a whole group. It takes a minute for things to calm down. If I didn't want to know I wouldn't be looking for answers. I learned a long time ago your never too old to learn. I'm not afraid of attempting to do such.

Were in the same boat. I myself think and sometimes overthink things. I like to know how things work and am adapt at researching until I fully understand what ever the subject is. It is not a crime to want to possess knowledge so keep asking questions until you find the answers you need.

 

[Aheadatime]

umm..

Steep the way you want to steep. Or dont steep.
Or steep on your head, Steep while swimming, Steep in the spa, Steep on a plane, Steep in your sleep.

Or steep on a plane,
or steep in the rain!
You can steep on your feet,
you can steep in your seat!
I've steeped on a box,
I've steeped with a fox.
And oh what a ball,
to steep as I crawl!
Juice steeps in the cold,
it steeps young and old!
The juice doesn't mind,
so long as we try.
So next time you blend,
remember - pretend!
Pretend that the cold,
is daring and bold.
Pretend that the heat,
can never be beat.
Pretend that the shake,
is never at stake.
For all that we know,
is all that we try.
These ciggys must go.
Or else we all die!

 

[Norman Clature]

I'm of the mind that nothing makes a mix gel as thoroughly as time will and there are no shortcuts.

I'm of that mind because I'm too stubborn to shell out $100 or so for a nice ultrasonic cleaner.

But seriously, once I'm sure of a mix/recipe and I've repeated it a few times I go ahead and make 200ml of it and put it in 2 separate 4oz amber bottles and "cheat" with one and let the other one "steep" fully.

Thanks,

Norman

 

[Dvx67]

Those are some steep reads.

 

[Hoosier]

Let's see if we can wake Hoosier up. ..

I'm awake, but I'm not sure why I was jostled...

 

[zoiDman]

... It looks fairly plain cut to me. I see why some people refuse to debate it. I do also after studying on this for a few days. This is very plain.

...

Since it is so Plain, why don't you Explain it to us Simple Folk.

BTW - Does Oxygen play any role in "Steeping"?

 

[psycheval]

Since it is so Plain, why don't you Explain it to us Simple Folk.

BTW - Does Oxygen play any role in "Steeping"?

The man that posted above you will be way better at explaining it than me(both). I'm trying to learn it. I am one of the simple folk.
The plain I'm meaning is if you look at those links and the things there that pertain to what we do with juice. Any of it. No not them complicated funny looking little things on the page with all the funny letters. I don't even want to know what they represent. I am too old for that. I took all the Engineering classes I could take with the least amount of math(seriously). I hear any Engineers out there laughing already. The paragraphs surrounding those are what I'm interested in.
I understand there are alot of people just want to make juice. No more no less. If thats all you want that's cool. That's your thing.
Now.
If I'm not looking at the right information and interpreting what I'm seeing correctly where do I go to find it? I can run around on the internet for hours or poke some people here and wake them up. I have a thing I'm stumped on. Till I solve that thing I won't let it go. I can also run into the issue of thinking I'm looking at the correct principle or property and I'm not. No genius here.
I can teach my self if necessary. I cultivated that about the time I learned I didn't know everything. That defeats this whole forum for me to do that. I taught myself how to get to where I am at this little operation already. Not as many people are going to get any benefit out of it that way. That want the benefit.

 

[psycheval]

Somebody got to jostle Hoosier every now and then anyway. Ya'll let him take too many naps.

 

[Hoosier]

I'm getting the impression the OP is looking for a specific answer and we're all failing to see the question.

I like the math. That's the best part of doing CFD analyses or circuit design. Just not understanding what the question is.

If it is the title of the thread the answer is yes, those all work, but I question what is reasonable.