Shockingly bad local article

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Tvan

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If I were the vendor, I would certainly make as big a stink as possible, and as public a one, as I and my lawyers could contrive!

The vendor in the article is a local "smoke shop". I know for a fact they didn't even sell "Roc juice" three months ago. I assume they couldn't get any of the local reputable B+M's to participate in this story.
 

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Thanks for the link FC, this story is preposterous and, at best. will actually get some kid buying it and drinking it figuring he'll get tuned. I can't even imagine drinking a little of the stuff.
I have gotten to taste of a couple of e-liquids from a leaky clearo etc..., not pleasant at all. Matter of fact....completely horrid! What a shame this nonsense makes it to the news. As A.A mentioned, some dopey kid may get the idea, thanks to bad reporting!
 

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Oh THAT is what they were referring to!!! Duh... Sorry, I am from Germany and not familiar with such terms... unless I get some prodding.
Jeez.... that is taking FUD to new lows indeed! :glare:

Sorry, I have to quote myself:


("somebody" referring to the jerks who used that word to make a reference to a very nasty substance, not to the poster, of course)

I don't think too many people would get the connection if they weren't from the area. It really didn't seem like a well thought out product name. If you ever wanted to sell your brand on the internet, people from other places would see "Rock" and automatically think of the drug.
 

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I imagine you can get pretty much the same "high" from eating Folgers Cystals.


Sorry to say but last week at Wallmart I tried to self-checkout with a box of No-Doze (caffeine). The register stopped with "approval needed"
and the clerk had to come over and scan the item. Unbelievable. Forget about sending your 13 year old to the store for a bag of coffee now I guess.

Western Society has gone totally nuts.
 

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Unfortunately, I worry that, youth being... well, youthful... some kids who are vapers (and who haven't gotten high from their ecigs, btw) will think "Oh great! I have the juice, now all I have to do is drink some to get really high..." That's what scares me most of all...

(What comforts me a bit is knowing that one taste of e-liquid, of whatever flavor, will hopefully disabuse most them of the idea pretty quick!)


You might take comfort in the fact that oral poisoning via nicotine tends to be "self-correcting". The reason for that is the same reason why no enterprising pharmaceutical company has given us a nicotine pill we can take instead of smoking. Nicotine and stomach acid do not get along well.

Infants and toddlers have a tendency to eat anything they can get their little mitts on, and that includes the cigarette butts in your ashtray or on the ground outside. The next thing that happens is that they start vomiting.

I experienced this effect once when I accidentally swallowed a chunk of a 4 mg Commit lozenge. Once I emptied out my stomach, the room stopped spinning. After I rested for a few minutes, I was good as new.

This study describes a review of twenty-seven years of annual reports by American Association of Poison Control Centers analyzed for occurrence and outcomes associated with accidental ingestion events involving tobacco and pharmaceutical nicotine products among young children. "One fatality was reported, however the co-ingestion of both cigarettes and diazepam complicates an assessment of a contributory role of tobacco."

Frequency and outcomes of accidental... [Regul Toxicol Pharmacol. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI

This case study involves a fatality of a 42-year old adult who had a blood alcohol level of 2.1 g/L in femoral venous blood (I'm not sure how that converts to the system used by most police departments to assess whether a suspect is "under the influence.") "Some labeled chemical bottles found at the scene contained various substances, including nicotine and brucine." It isn't made clear in the abstract, but it is possible that the bottle containing nicotine was insecticide, which uses about a 40% nicotine concentration (compared to e-liquid which ranges from 0% to 3.6% on average. To convert to mg/ml, multiply the number in front of the percent sign by 10.)

Death due to ingestion of nicotine-containi... [Forensic Sci Int. 2010] - PubMed - NCBI

Notice that both of these cases involved an additional drug (Valium in the case of the child and alcohol in the case of the adult) which could cause loss of consciousness. Valium can suppress the muscle spasms involved with vomiting, and may have contributed to the child's death.
 

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Read an article where kids was purchasing pre paid CC at wal mart to buy ejuice on line and various other items... but I agree with screaming eagle

Despite every law and regulation on the books, kids will always find a way... (something the legislators and regulators don't seem to realize) The point is to educate them, not titillate them with articles implying a new way to get "high"! (something the media don't seem to realize...)
 

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Read the piece again and found only one line that had an air of truth about it-only one mind you...


" Wesley told 13 WHAM: "It would be like eating a pack of cigarettes, nicotine is a poison in high amounts."

Yep

All those medical school fees and study paid off then Wes.
Credibility fail for getting involved-and your name all over a 'shock and awe' BS article.
 
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