You have been anti Provari no matter how you try to appear neutral. Is it the Made in the USA which bothers you the most?
Should ALL reviews be compared to the Provari?
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You have been anti Provari no matter how you try to appear neutral. Is it the Made in the USA which bothers you the most?
You're free to state your opinion, of course. I don't think anyone is telling you otherwise
.That being said, if you want to compare mods, compare them by category. To do otherwise is one-sided and shows bias. I don't call it fan-boy, just bias. I have plenty of products I love and show my support for, but I don't get upset if someone else doesn't share my views and doesn't immediately convert. If they don't like it, they don't like it and I'm not going to argue with them as everyone has their own style, taste etc.
For me, the Provari (and all mods where you have to buy multiple tubes separately) are not my cup of tea. I don't care who makes them or how much they cost. Telescoping mods or mods that come with the tubes already are what works for me. If I'm going to spend that much on a mod (i.e. $170-$250), this should be standard. That's not a knock on just the Provari, but *all* mods that fall into that category.
As far as mods go, VV/VW and VV are two different beasts and comparing a mod that is VV-Only to a VV/VW is like comparing performance on a VV/VW to that of a Mechanical. There is no comparison. A VV/VW or VV-Only isn't going to sub-ohm (short of the DNA20 based mods) just as a mech isn't going to give good performance on high-ohm builds (without a kick) because you're running off pure battery voltage.
I honestly think the bickering and arguing over such trivial matters should just stop altogether, but it doesn't seem like they ever will. For me, I don't care who makes it or where it comes from. If it works, it works. Sure, I'd rather support and American company, but if they don't offer what *I* personally want, I'm not going to spend my hard-earned cash on something I won't use.
Is it my fault that I do not see the same level of overwhelming support and agreement for other devices? That is what I base my decision on. You cannot claim this as the number 1 forum and then bash the majority opinions. Obviously, you can. But the 'come backs' I read are more like envy or jealousy and hate, simply to go against the majority. NOT saying everyone. But when someone feels the need to combat a 'like' post with five or six negatives, it 'toned' pure envy to me. Like someone saying, I hate all this praise about Provari!! It read angry to me. More like, OH yea?? Well I'll show ya!!
I would guess that NOT the majority of Provari haters but, a shameful percentage hate Provari because it's made in the USA.
Sad. Very sad.
peace?
I would guess that NOT the majority of Provari haters but, a shameful percentage hate Provari because it's made in the USA.
Sad. Very sad.
peace?
I can't speak for Ref, but I have a few brilliant American mods. I have nothing against American made things whatsoever.
I do have something against rabid zealots, for whom the answer to everything is "This thing what I like!"
Provaris have their place, and I considered buying one. Are they the best? It's a ridiculous question. Like what is the best form of motorised transport? A Ducati or a hovercraft?
I'm not sure that many people outside of ECF have even heard of Provari. I've never seen one in a B&M vape shop.
The best reviews might compare comparable models, but also provide some kind of analysis of features against some kind of STANDARD.
For instance, it's interesting to say "the VAMO threads doesn't hold up as the ProVari's" - but it's even more useful to tell us the difference in materials, or to demonstrate the issue, or to test a few mods and give statistics.
That's something PBusardo TRIES to do - we get the "oh, this vapes great, and feels good in my hand" stuff - but at least we also get things like the oscilliscope tests, or the carto-puller tests. He's trying to provide FACTS to compare and it's helpful.
For instance, it's interesting to say "the VAMO threads doesn't hold up as the ProVari's" - but it's even more useful to tell us the difference in materials, or to demonstrate the issue, or to test a few mods and give statistics.
That's something PBusardo TRIES to do - we get the "oh, this vapes great, and feels good in my hand" stuff - but at least we also get things like the oscilliscope tests, or the carto-puller tests. He's trying to provide FACTS to compare and it's helpful.
To an extent, yes.
The Provari is like a bmw m3. Maybe at times it can be outclassed by rival products in certain aspects, but it seems to just do everything well, and enough so that its the bench mark for performance within the industry. While others will strive to beat it, its possible to get tunnel vision when designing a product and fall short on another element of design.
If you're comparing a lower price product with similar performance (lets say new 5.0 mustang to bmw m3) then yes, it should be compared, but you gotta point out what your money is getting you in each case. (mustang will be a lesser interior, and require more tallent to achieve the same levels of performance, MVP does not have replaceable batteries/different chipset etc)
If the bench mark has been set, and competitors are trying to surpass that benchmark, its a good thing, as only better and better devices will be created. If a device truly outclasses the provari in so many ways, then lets face it, everyone will compare everything to it. Provari has the top spot right now, but the competition is fierce, we will have to see what comes along that can match the build quality, reliability, and serviceability of the provari.
The Provari is like a bmw m3. Maybe at times it can be outclassed by rival products in certain aspects, but it seems to just do everything well, and enough so that its the bench mark for performance within the industry. While others will strive to beat it, its possible to get tunnel vision when designing a product and fall short on another element of design.
If you're comparing a lower price product with similar performance (lets say new 5.0 mustang to bmw m3) then yes, it should be compared, but you gotta point out what your money is getting you in each case. (mustang will be a lesser interior, and require more tallent to achieve the same levels of performance, MVP does not have replaceable batteries/different chipset etc)
If the bench mark has been set, and competitors are trying to surpass that benchmark, its a good thing, as only better and better devices will be created. If a device truly outclasses the provari in so many ways, then lets face it, everyone will compare everything to it. Provari has the top spot right now, but the competition is fierce, we will have to see what comes along that can match the build quality, reliability, and serviceability of the provari.
One of the two vape shops here carries them, and I live in frackin ARKANSAS man.
Do your vape shops carry anything by Super T or GG?
Great replies! I'm sorry but, the one who says NO in all categories just seemed to hate that a lot of people like Provari. IMHO.I do not own a Provari but, will get one. I call BS as far as calling those who love a proven product Fanboys. That is obviously meant as an insult or, blow off, without considering the facts. BIG YES to compare devices in the same class. I'm sure there are many more reasons but, three huge reasons I hear folks saying is, 1. Customer Service, 2. Built like a tank, 3. Consistent vape.
I have not heard any praises about warranty and customer service with any other devices. Some may have their experiences but, That is not an overwhelming theme. Are you aware, can you believe, that a huge amount of people HATE let's say the Yankees (baseball and USA) because they of their accomplishments??? I'm talking 'mature' adults! I'll bet there are those who hate the fact Provari is made in the USA also. Just for that horrible reason.
There's a connection in there somewhere, however random!!
I'm sorry but, the one who says NO in all categories just seemed to hate that a lot of people like Provari. IMHO.
I own a Provari, in fact it is sitting on my desk with a Zap on it right now. I am able to realize that it has limitations and am not going to limit myself to one device.
I have not heard any praises about warranty and customer service with any other devices. Some may have their experiences but, That is not an overwhelming theme.
You should go to the REO forum, you will find all the praises that you want. Some people don't feel the need to interject their opinion/praises about a device in every thread.
I'll bet there are those who hate the fact Provari is made in the USA also.
I am sure the fact that Provari is made in the U.S.A. has very little to do with anything. A vaper should appreciate a quality device regardless of where it is made.
I own dozens different mods, eGo types, VV, VW and mechs.
At home i use the mechs and a dripper because i get excellent flavour and clouds.
Out and about i use my ProVari and a carto tank because it will not fail me.
Up the pub i take eGo's and clearomisers because i often get drunk and leave things in the bar.
I use my VTR and iclear 30's when in company to get a reaction !
I own two Vamo's which i mainly use for ohm checking because the ProVari is too much effort.
(Since i stopped smoking 14 months ago i have continued to spend the same money on e-cigs, hence a LOT of mods)
Each device has its place in my day to day vaping journey and i don't compare them to each other, i use them as appropriate.
I wouldn't pick any one of them over the other because i don't have to.
Off topic...
ProVari haters really perplex me. It's a well made, dependable device that doesn't pretend to be anything it's not. It really is strange to hate on a metal tube with some wires and bits of silicon in it. ProVari's do the job they were made to do and do it well.
I havn't been a fanboi of anything since Mott the Hoople split up i just recognise and appreciate a well made mod.
At home i use the mechs and a dripper because i get excellent flavour and clouds.
Out and about i use my ProVari and a carto tank because it will not fail me.
Up the pub i take eGo's and clearomisers because i often get drunk and leave things in the bar.
I use my VTR and iclear 30's when in company to get a reaction !
I own two Vamo's which i mainly use for ohm checking because the ProVari is too much effort.
(Since i stopped smoking 14 months ago i have continued to spend the same money on e-cigs, hence a LOT of mods)
Each device has its place in my day to day vaping journey and i don't compare them to each other, i use them as appropriate.
I wouldn't pick any one of them over the other because i don't have to.
Off topic...
ProVari haters really perplex me. It's a well made, dependable device that doesn't pretend to be anything it's not. It really is strange to hate on a metal tube with some wires and bits of silicon in it. ProVari's do the job they were made to do and do it well.
I havn't been a fanboi of anything since Mott the Hoople split up i just recognise and appreciate a well made mod.
Is it my fault that I do not see the same level of overwhelming support and agreement for other devices? That is what I base my decision on. You cannot claim this as the number 1 forum and then bash the majority opinions. Obviously, you can. But the 'come backs' I read are more like envy or jealousy and hate, simply to go against the majority. NOT saying everyone. But when someone feels the need to combat a 'like' post with five or six negatives, it 'toned' pure envy to me. Like someone saying, I hate all this praise about Provari!! It read angry to me. More like, OH yea?? Well I'll show ya!!
I would guess that NOT the majority of Provari haters but, a shameful percentage hate Provari because it's made in the USA.
Sad. Very sad.
peace?
seems you didnt understand what the posters were saying, and how really neutral their comments were.. They're saying 'no' because the provari is not:
1. a mechanical
2. a device that can be used with sub ohm coils
3. a small device
4. a device that offers vw
i think that's pretty neutral. additionally, isn't made in the usa typically read as a positive thing around here?
Mott the Hoople!! I love it!! IF I'm getting your reference...
For me, my reference would be, since Temps broke up
BeaTles is a no brainer.
For me, my reference would be, since Temps broke up
BeaTles is a no brainer.
the provari is not:
1. a mechanical
2. a device that can be used with sub ohm coils
3. a small device
4. a device that offers vw
Would it be fair to also say, it's not a ham sandwich? :S
1. a mechanical
2. a device that can be used with sub ohm coils
3. a small device
4. a device that offers vw
Would it be fair to also say, it's not a ham sandwich? :S
The duke isn't vw ...
Regarding the OP, it's pretty obvious the answer is no. Whether you want to hear that or not.
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Thank you!
Would not hurt for Discussions that have Sub-forums to be held in those forums either. Per ECF Posting suggestions. We can pick the wrong place. Often the Mods will move them to the proper location.
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