Well, I'm talking about the fog machines people put out in front of their houses to create atmosphere...is that dry ice?
Should we boycott businesses that ban vaping in their establishments?
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Well, I'm talking about the fog machines people put out in front of their houses to create atmosphere...is that dry ice?
Yeah, theatrical fog machines use a solution of Propylene Glycol to create fog like a personal vaporizer.
There is a funny vaping video out about this....
NO WONDER!!!! Here's a tip, don't waste your flavoring by mixing it with dry ice. I thought all my wicks went to hell at the same time....now I see where I went wrong!
LOL, I'll add this to my list of what not to do. "Use Kotex as your wick" is in there, too.
The things you learn.
Please don't tell me that doesn't work too....although, at the store, I couldn't honestly say "they're not for me"!
LOL. I am imagining the look on the store clerk's face when you tell them, "These wick like nobody's business! Can't wait to go home and get stuffing."
But yeah. Seriously. No Kotex.
Always Infinity are okay.
Businesses should be free to allow or prohibit whatever behavior they want and we should honor that request or go elsewhere to a business that allows what we want to do. If enough businesses are doing better because they allow vaping then that will change some policies.
Unfortunately, while businesses are free by law to BAN certain behaviors, they are prohibited from ALLOWING smoking and vaping (even if they want to) by laws that trample on the rights of individual property owners.
Non-smokers used to vote with their dollars (ie., boycott) by electing to go to smoke-free establishments when smoking wasn't illegal everywhere. Vapers have that same right to elect to go where they are welcome - until the government intercedes and removes that right by taking away the right of businesses to offer vapers (and smokers) a welcome place.
As smokers (and now vapers) we may have made up only 20% of the population, but we made up 90% of the income for the places that welcomed us.
Unfortunately, while businesses are free by law to BAN certain behaviors, they are prohibited from ALLOWING smoking and vaping (even if they want to) by laws that trample on the rights of individual property owners.
Non-smokers used to vote with their dollars (ie., boycott) by electing to go to smoke-free establishments when smoking wasn't illegal everywhere. Vapers have that same right to elect to go where they are welcome - until the government intercedes and removes that right by taking away the right of businesses to offer vapers (and smokers) a welcome place.
As smokers (and now vapers) we may have made up only 20% of the population, but we made up 90% of the income for the places that welcomed us.
This is 100% false. Overall, bars in this area lost about 30% of their business. Some of them were not able to handle that drop and went out of business. The ones that were able to survive that 30% drop in business then managed to re-grow some of their business by picking up some of the business from other (now out of business) bars.
Pretending that more people are drinking after the non-smoking laws is BS.
Bars didn't go to non-smoking because they wanted to, or because it would bring them more business, they did it because the law made them. If there had *actually* been a big market from non smokers who wanted a non smoking bar, then many bars would have gone non smoking before the law made them, and those bars would have had a ton of business. It didn't happen that way. It happened because the law made them. Most of the people voting for those laws don't go to bars at all, they just think they should tell everyone else how to live.
Fog machines make fog. It's a vapor. It isn't smoke. Nothing get burned, and it isn't smoke. And I know quite a few bars that run heavy duty fog machines off and on during the night. When they turn them off, the fog clears pretty quick.
I don't see any point in any major "All vapors should avoid this business!" kind of organized boycott. But I will certainly vote with my money. If one restaurant will let me vape and another one will not, then why should I go to the one that won't let me? If one bar will let me, and one will not, why visit the one that will not?
Overall, I vape pretty much everywhere I go. Mostly openly, but I do stealth in a few places. I've never been told "you can't do that here", except for one place, and there, they thought I was smoking. As soon as the manager saw my PV he said "Oh, it's one of those, you are fine".
Since essentially everywhere allows me to vape, if I went someplace and they told me I couldn't, I'd just take my business elsewhere.
When it comes to restaurants I go to the one with better food. Vaping will never be a factor for me.
Some fog machines use "fog juice" with oils (such as mineral oil) or oils mixed with PG. Those can be pretty harsh on the eyes, nose and throat. I believe many use industrial grade PG (with a noticeable odor and taste) instead of the 99.5% pure food-grade PG/VG used in e-liquid and other consumable products.
I'm sorry but you are wrong. If smoke is what came out of fog machines then they would call them smoke machines. The reason fog machines are allowed to be used in nightclubs and Vegas shows is BECAUSE it is NOT smoke, even if it looks similar to the naked eye.
Smoke and fog are chemically different. When you boil water and the room fills with vapor is that the same as when you burn your bacon and the room fills with smoke? Do you have to rush to open the windows because you are choking and your eyes are watering from the steam coming from a tea kettle?
Fog/steam/vapor from e-liquid is just PG in another form - just like ice and steam are different forms of water. When steam/fog cools and/or condenses, it turns right back into water/PG at room temperature (ie. liquid water/PG.) When smoke cools and condenses, it does not turn back into wood or tobacco. It's been fundamentally changed into something else - chemicals and ash particles.
Just because it looks similar to smoke doesn't mean it IS smoke.
My ex used to work in teen smoking prevention and the slogan one of the kids came up with was "A non smoking section in a restaurant is like a non ...... section in a pool"
WRONG!!!!
What comes out of a FOG MACHINE IS FOG, NOT SMOKE.
FOG is WATER VAPOR DUDE!!!!
WAKE UP!!!!!!
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Honestly, it is very rare that I feel the need to vape in a restaurant. My husband took me out for a nice dinner for my birthday this past weekend and I was fine not vaping until we left (the restaurant doesn't allow vaping - but ironically, the kids running around screaming were fine with them.)
But when we went out to a new local pub after dinner, we asked the owner if it was OK to vape and she said "as long as it doesn't make smoke or ash and cause me a fine, I'm good with it!" (My state has a statewide smoking ban that doesn't include e-cigarettes.) Had she said "no," we would have left and gone to another bar that we know allows vaping. For 3 hours we vaped happily at the bar (and answered quite a few questions from smokers walking past us to go outside and smoke, lol) and she made quite a bit of money off of us and the bartender got a really good tip.
I've spoken to quite a few bar owners and their business has declined quite a bit because of the 3 year old smoking ban. bars I used to visit on a weekend that were packed are practically empty on a Saturday night now. The owners say they haven't had much of an increase in non-smokers coming in, but smokers are choosing to stay home and drink or have parties where they can relax and smoke. In the cold Wisconsin winters, no one wants to have to go outside. It was weird to be in a bar and have it practically empty out every 1/2 hour or so as the smokers left and hung around outside the front door.
The ANTZ like to point out the increase in revenue or lack of decrease judging by the sales, but they include restaurants and bar & grill establishments that didn't cater to smokers. If you just pull the bar, VA hall, casinos and bingo parlors from the stats, you can see a lot of them are going out of business. In the few states where casinos were included in smoking bans (most successfully lobby for separate smoking sections) the casinos have been asking for exemptions because they have been seeing serious declines in revenue.
But when we went out to a new local pub after dinner, we asked the owner if it was OK to vape and she said "as long as it doesn't make smoke or ash and cause me a fine, I'm good with it!" (My state has a statewide smoking ban that doesn't include e-cigarettes.) Had she said "no," we would have left and gone to another bar that we know allows vaping. For 3 hours we vaped happily at the bar (and answered quite a few questions from smokers walking past us to go outside and smoke, lol) and she made quite a bit of money off of us and the bartender got a really good tip.
I've spoken to quite a few bar owners and their business has declined quite a bit because of the 3 year old smoking ban. bars I used to visit on a weekend that were packed are practically empty on a Saturday night now. The owners say they haven't had much of an increase in non-smokers coming in, but smokers are choosing to stay home and drink or have parties where they can relax and smoke. In the cold Wisconsin winters, no one wants to have to go outside. It was weird to be in a bar and have it practically empty out every 1/2 hour or so as the smokers left and hung around outside the front door.
The ANTZ like to point out the increase in revenue or lack of decrease judging by the sales, but they include restaurants and bar & grill establishments that didn't cater to smokers. If you just pull the bar, VA hall, casinos and bingo parlors from the stats, you can see a lot of them are going out of business. In the few states where casinos were included in smoking bans (most successfully lobby for separate smoking sections) the casinos have been asking for exemptions because they have been seeing serious declines in revenue.
You guys are cray... be it fog or smoke or pixie farts nobody wants to breath whatever it is that comes out of these machines unless they have some background knowledge of what it is. E-Cigs are an order of magnitude safer than cigarettes but be that as it may people would still rather breath clean air if they don't have any idea what vapping is. You can boycott or whatever and maybe you will hurt their business but whatever pain you cause them will be repaid in kind with a backlash from the vast majority of people who have no idea and really don't want to have any idea what vaping is or does for anyone.
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