Should we boycott businesses that ban vaping in their establishments?

[john333]

Our numbers are growing daily. The equipment we use is improving. We all just need to hold the course. At some point the worm will turn, the scales will tip and our voice will he heard.

 

[Robino1]

The bar that we frequented in Delaware, had to get smoke eating machines. That bar, when it was a smoking bar before the State decided to go all non-smoking, was probably the least offensive bar I had been in. He had two of those smoke eaters and they did a great job. The owner was not happy when he was told that his place HAD to conform to non smoking.

He knew who his money makers were. He did try to accommodate his smoking clientele by creating a heated Three sided area out in front. I felt bad for him. In the winter business never did get back to where it used to be before the bans.

 

[JRudey]

I've spoken to quite a few bar owners and their business has declined quite a bit because of the 3 year old smoking ban. bars I used to visit on a weekend that were packed are practically empty on a Saturday night now. The owners say they haven't had much of an increase in non-smokers coming in, but smokers are choosing to stay home and drink or have parties where they can relax and smoke. In the cold Wisconsin winters, no one wants to have to go outside. It was weird to be in a bar and have it practically empty out every 1/2 hour or so as the smokers left and hung around outside the front door.

Bar owners understand the relationship between drinking and smoking. Smokers in general drink more than non-smokers. Google it. Lots of studies have been done about the relationship between the two habits.

 

[EddardinWinter]

You guys are cray... be it fog or smoke or pixie farts nobody wants to breath whatever it is that comes out of these machines unless they have some background knowledge of what it is. E-Cigs are an order of magnitude safer than cigarettes but be that as it may people would still rather breath clean air if they don't have any idea what vapping is. You can boycott or whatever and maybe you will hurt their business but whatever pain you cause them will be repaid in kind with a backlash from the vast majority of people who have no idea and really don't want to have any idea what vaping is or does for anyone.

I must be cray.

But, sir, is it vapping or vaping?

Us cray people get confused so easily. I brace myself for you riposte. I am sure it will be even more clever than your last effort.



Tapped out

 

[iz2sick]

"no other way to look at it" How open minded of you! Such a declaration seems to contradict your signature line. Thanks for coming in a blowing up the thread. This morning, we seemed to have a helpful consensus moving forward. You have managed to bait several members into feeding your confrontational hogwash and turned it into something less good.

I will take the bait as well, and entertain your argument. You find indoor vapor obnoxious, yes? I find small children obnoxious, loud, and disruptive. I bet the majority of other diners in any restaurant do as well. I don't want to put up with someone else's children in a restaurant, but still the parents bring those squalling, whining, obnoxious little monsters where I like to eat and drink. Are these parents selfish, too, since they infringe on the majority?

The business has the right to dedicate a section to vaping. They have a right to dedicate a kid-free section. They have a right to establish any section they damn well please. No one here seeks to mandate anything to a business owner. We seek to preserve the property rights of the owner to use the space as they see fit. If they cater to our specific need, we reward them with our business. If they don't, I will spend my money elsewhere when it is practicable. If you don't like that, I couldn't care less. I am not asking your permission for what I do.

I am selfish and proud of it. I am looking out for me, because no one else is qualified to do so. Crucify me, if you are able.

I own my selfishness, and I wear it as a badge of honor!

But... my kids are very adorable. I mean come on... Asian babies...

 

[Baldr]

OP... Seriously no!

You should man the f up and think of the people around you not your "right" to vape. I don't want to sit at the booth next to you while you vape clouds into my table while I'm trying to eat out with my kids. Some people just don't get that the world doesn't revolve around them. Bowling is a perfect example last thing I want is a bunch of vapers blowing clouds inside a bowling alley while children are running around, think of others around you not just yourself!

Funny how you want to take your kids out and let them run around raising hell, but you ..... and whine about someone vaping in the building. That part about how the world doesn't revolve around everyone else applies to you, too.

 

[DarthSnoopyFish]

Posted in wrong forum. Deleted post.

 

[CaliforniaGirl]

I must be cray.

But, sir, is it vapping or vaping?

Us cray people get confused so easily. I brace myself for you riposte. I am sure it will be even more clever than your last effort.



Tapped out

The idea of vapping scares me, it almost sounds like some weird parlor trick the bad girl in school might have done. Or something that might end up on Youtube with a warning before it plays.

 

[CaliforniaGirl]

I am going to open up an establishment called "No Shirts, no Shoes, no Smokers, no Vapers, no Babies, no Business." I wonder is it will be a popular hangout??? lol

I have seen many a "All children left unattended will be handed a puppy and a cup of espresso" sign at establishments in my area. As a parent myself, I find that hilarious and not just a little bit fitting.

 

[kristin]

My ex used to work in teen smoking prevention and the slogan one of the kids came up with was "A non smoking section in a restaurant is like a non ...... section in a pool"

They were probably taught typical ANTZ propaganda. The truth is more like "A non-smoking section in a restaurant is like a non-...... section in Lake Michigan."

 

[kristin]

Bar owners understand the relationship between drinking and smoking. Smokers in general drink more than non-smokers. Google it. Lots of studies have been done about the relationship between the two habits.

I'm well aware of that fact - and vise versa - without having to Google it. I was in the bar/restaurant business for over 12 years. I'm not sure what you are trying to convey here?

people would still rather breath clean air if they don't have any idea what vapping is.

What "clean air" will they breathe? Do they live in Antarctica?

 

[Penn]

"Should we boycott businesses that ban vaping in their establishments?"

Nope.

However, if a company was active, far reaching, and politically ambitious outside of their business in banning vaping nationwide via our government I would. A company behaving just like that on another issue is the reason I haven't patronized a Chick-fil-A in years.



If you're really into boycotting stuff, there is an app that helps you avoid products you wish to not support for the iPhone called "Buycott." Download it, and prepare to freak out when you see how hard it is to eat ANYTHING that didn't somehow come from Monsanto at your local grocery store; now that's scary.

Bigger fish to fry than a ban on recreational vaping indoors, in someone else's place, man.


-B

Would you patronize a store that supports the American Lung Association? The ALA does more than anti-smoking and anti-vaping so the store doesn't directly support antz. Not going to Chick Fil A is the same. They donated to christian organizations then those organizations did multiple things with their money which happen to include the issue you probably chose to boycott them because of. There we have one of the reasons boycotts aren't effective. When you get down to it, they rarely address the actual issue (sometimes not even on purpose, lol).

 

[Penn]

This is 100% false. Overall, bars in this area lost about 30% of their business. Some of them were not able to handle that drop and went out of business. The ones that were able to survive that 30% drop in business then managed to re-grow some of their business by picking up some of the business from other (now out of business) bars.

Pretending that more people are drinking after the non-smoking laws is BS.

Bars didn't go to non-smoking because they wanted to, or because it would bring them more business, they did it because the law made them. If there had *actually* been a big market from non smokers who wanted a non smoking bar, then many bars would have gone non smoking before the law made them, and those bars would have had a ton of business. It didn't happen that way. It happened because the law made them. Most of the people voting for those laws don't go to bars at all, they just think they should tell everyone else how to live.

Yet another situation of not actually paying attention to the statement. Regional differences fall under "specific type of clientele. However, I used bars as an example for a reason and even stated it was an obvious reason but since it apparently isn't I'll clarify. It is an acknowledgement that they are the most impacted by smoking bans. If you notice I also stated both smoking and vaping should not be banned by law FOR THAT REASON.

Feel better about scoring a point on misinterpretation now?

 

[kristin]

Would you patronize a store that supports the American Lung Association? The ALA does more than anti-smoking and anti-vaping so the store doesn't directly support antz. Not going to Chick Fil A is the same. They donated to christian organizations then those organizations did multiple things with their money which happen to include the issue you probably chose to boycott them because of. There we have one of the reasons boycotts aren't effective. When you get down to it, they rarely address the actual issue (sometimes not even on purpose, lol).

Businesses publicly support organizations like the ALA because they want the public to see them as generous and charitable so they'll patronize the business.

Making that choice known to the public can go one of two ways - gain customers or lose them. It's a choice the store makes. It's different from an owner that is "outed" for his/her personal beliefs.

Just last year I refused to allow my daughters to participate in a school walk to benefit the American Cancer Society. Does the ACS claim to do things other than oppose harm reduction policies? Yes. Do I think those things outweigh all of the damage their decades of lies have done and are doing to tobacco and e-cigarette users? No.

 

[KnurledNut]

I haven't smoked inside any establishment for so long it doesn't bother me. That being said, if I'm sitting outside and vaping I get a little perturbed if they say something. I ask them to prove that I am smoking since I am merely inhaling a water vapor. If they persist on being idiots I ask them politely to ask me to leave. Then I leave, without paying the bill.

 

[degnr8]

The idea of vapping scares me, it almost sounds like some weird parlor trick the bad girl in school might have done. Or something that might end up on Youtube with a warning before it plays.

Vapping= vaping + fapping?

 

[Penn]

Businesses publicly support organizations like the ALA because they want the public to see them as generous and charitable so they'll patronize the business.

Making that choice known to the public can go one of two ways - gain customers or lose them. It's a choice the store makes. It's different from an owner that is "outed" for his/her personal beliefs.

Just last year I refused to allow my daughters to participate in a school walk to benefit the American Cancer Society. Does the ACS claim to do things other than oppose harm reduction policies? Yes. Do I think those things outweigh all of the damage their decades of lies have done and are doing to tobacco and e-cigarette users? No.

To an extent you reiterated my point.

The "outed" comment is inaccurate. His personal beliefs were never known until AFTER it reached critical mass attention. People had an agenda won their point but some may be surprised to know, Chick Fil A actually got a win out of it. As you said, the door of results to a boycott can swing both ways and in that story, it did.

 

[Ken_A]

I must be cray.

But, sir, is it vapping or vaping?

Us cray people get confused so easily. I brace myself for you riposte. I am sure it will be even more clever than your last effort.



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The idea of vapping scares me, it almost sounds like some weird parlor trick the bad girl in school might have done. Or something that might end up on Youtube with a warning before it plays.

Vapping= vaping + fapping?

Oh, sure... let the Dyslexic guy get an answer...
look at it this way
Tape is a narrow strip of material, typically used to hold or fasten something.
Taping is to fasten or attach (something) with adhesive tape.

Tap is to strike gently with a light blow or blows
tapping is the action of a person or thing that taps.

so.. if you vap, then you would be vapping
and if you vape, then you would be vaping.

basically, if it ends in an "e" you drop the "e" and add "ing"
if it ends in a consonant, you double the consonant before adding "ing"

is it strange that a Dyslexic person knows this?

 

[degnr8]

Oh, sure... let the Dyslexic guy get an answer...
look at it this way
Tape is a narrow strip of material, typically used to hold or fasten something.
Taping is to fasten or attach (something) with adhesive tape.

Tap is to strike gently with a light blow or blows
tapping is the action of a person or thing that taps.

so.. if you vap, then you would be vapping
and if you vape, then you would be vaping.

basically, if it ends in an "e" you drop the "e" and add "ing"
if it ends in a consonant, you double the consonant before adding "ing"

is it strange that a Dyslexic person knows this?

Not at all. I'm lysdexic too. BTW, if my definition is right vapping is definitelysomething I want banned in public places

 

[cdsaint66]

Chick Fil A actually got a win out of it. As you said, the door of results to a boycott can swing both ways and in that story, it did.

This is the point I was trying to make earlier. A buycott was revved up in retaliation to the boycott, and Chik fil A did a booming business as a result. Additionally, the scenes of the buycott were of families politely eating at the restaurant enjoying themselves, and undoubtedly included many people who were unaware of the controversy. The most memorable video clip I saw of the boycotters was a man being rude and abusive to a teen restaurant employee who handled herself very well in spite of the vitriol that was aimed at her.

There are many reasons to avoid an organized boycott, all of which have been covered in this thread, but they all boil down to: more often than not boycotters make themselves look like jerks.

I have no problem with a person deciding not to do business with an establishment that doesn't allow vaping. I will however make a point of supporting vape friendly businesses