Should we disregard every review??

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j4mmin42

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Best way to be safe is to not buy the latest gadget. Wait until it's been out in circulation awhile. Ignore the reviewers. They are paid shills who will get you banned from ECF. Get the community consensus, let somebody else be the guinea pig.

LOL

I want "shills"...

The most that the majority of us reviewers can hope for is some free juice and devices, and maybe the chance to turn our exposure into some sort of business, i.e. Rip Trippers w/ the AC9 or Grimm/CJ with their juice companies. Scott is probably the only person I know who gets paid-not for doing the review, but thru clickbacks...and he just puts the cash into buying more gear to review.

If you haven't noticed, I really do HATE the misperception that reviewers are out for $$. Totally untrue in nearly ALL situations in the e-cigarette realm.
 

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I take reviews with a grain of salt. Its nice to see what others have thought of it, if they had a problem, or if there was no problem. With juice its very subjective. My taste buds may not get the same thing as the next person, I believe like or dislike of a juice is personal and you just need to test them for yourself, of course if a juice has alot of neg reviews Id probably not try it to begin with.

Looking at reviews all over the many people that tryed the item, watching what pbusardo has to say about the item and kinda getting a big picture of the item. Alot is going to have to do with what battery you are using with the juice, what tank or clearo, or whatever you are using. There is so many combinations that one person may get one result and an other person gets an other. In a good review (like with youtube) they will tell you what they are using to vape with. But when it comes down to it, you will have to make your own opinion about the item yourself. I believe all of what you do with your PV is very personalized, and fits to the person.

I got my anyvape BCC when they first came available, I dont love it and I dont hate it. Is there better yes is there worse yes, but there again that is my opinion and others may just love it. Im not scared to try something that is brand new, if nobody were to try them and wate till others had then it nobody would know. I have a few things that were a total fail for me but thats np really cause ive found more that are a win.
 

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Vaping isn't the same thing as smoking and at least for the foreseeable future it won't be as easy as smoking was. I didn't go into vaping expecting perfection. I knew there would be days I'd need a bunch of patience and a sense of humor ;) I already knew before I started vaping that quality control wasn't a top priority for China mass produced products. :glare: I ordered my first ecig to use when it would be more convenient then smoking and the day it arrived decided to see "if" I could switch from smoking to only vaping. I've gotten much more satisfaction from vaping then I ever imagined was possible and couldn't be happier with the entire experience. Well I guess I could have lived without modding those dang cartridges with tea bags or blue foam :D :lol:

Reviews consist of telling some facts about a product with a lot of personal opinions thrown into the mix based on personal experience and expectations. I like seeing what different people have to say about new products but I also know my own experience with any product may be very different then those doing the reviews and in the end, my opinion is the only one that really counts to me.

In the two and a half years I've been vaping I've yet to try a single vaping supply (excluding juice) that I would describe as HORRIBLE. Sure, I like some things much better then others, and wouldn't recommmend everything to everybody but nothing I've bought couldn't be used even if I wouldn't buy it again. When I read reviews by those new to vaping that rant and rave about how horrible everything is that they've tried I have to wonder if vaping is for them because as much as I'd like it to be, the fact is vaping is not for everyone. ;)
 

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Nowadays you can find a horrible or glowing review for about every product or supplier out there.

How does a newcomer find his way? What makes for a successful Vet?

Personally, I'm just an ego/boge carto-tank/unflavored eliquid user, so I don't try alot of new things or order often.

I order small, especially from a new vendor, test it, then put in a larger order. If I have a slight problem, I consider user error and do further research.

What makes you successful??

Well disregard new member reviews as they are going to be thrilled with whatever gets them off analogs. Also disregard anyone who recommends the same setup no matter what the individual needs are. Disregard most juice fan boys.

You will know a good review when you read one, they are generally unbiased and point out even small flaws. Also keep in mind comparing $200+ mods to $15 ego batteries isn't really a fair fight.

Quite a ways back we had a huge discussion about what to recommend in the new members forum as it was getting very confusing. I believe we decided to stick to 510/808 cig a likes for light smokers, and egos with cartomizers for everyone else. The low initial cost and consistent performance meant that it would last them until they either decided it was good enough or they wanted an upgrade. It made things much easier, we also didn't link particular shops and just told them what to Google.

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Reviewers are good and bad. Just like anything else. When I started vaping, I ran out of my data limits on my iPad two months in a row because I was watching every review I could find on YouTube. From those masses and masses of reviewers, I chose the ones that seemed to be giving good information. One or two of them were "new" at the time. Just remember that anyone can make a review, but not everyone will give you the type of information you are looking for.
 

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I get frustrated when I read what everyone suggests when a newbie asks "what should I buy". No wonder their heads start spinning. I started 6 months ago with 808s and cartos. I still use 808s and cartos. I've tried egos, CE3s, nanos Stardusts, dripping...and I still use 808s and cartos. If I had asked "what to buy" 6 months ago, I doubt if many would have recommended 808s and cartos.
 

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I get frustrated when I read what everyone suggests when a newbie asks "what should I buy". No wonder their heads start spinning. I started 6 months ago with 808s and cartos. I still use 808s and cartos. I've tried egos, CE3s, nanos Stardusts, dripping...and I still use 808s and cartos. If I had asked "what to buy" 6 months ago, I doubt if many would have recommended 808s and cartos.

KR808D-1 is my favorite setup to recommend new users, it works good and is very simple. Glad to see it worked out for you.

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Well, I wasn't thinking of the professional reviewers, just the personal statements from regular folks here on the forums.

I like to help newcomers, but lately having a hard time findings what to suggest because of the scathing comments of some members.

So, it's mostly having to do good research, and buy small to start?

I think I'd like to chime in just a little bit. - You and I joined ECF about the same time and I've read many of your posts. I don't know about you, but I lurked the forum for 3 or 4 months before deciding to join. While reading for those few months, I figured out some people really knew what they were talking about and some people didn't. So, by the time I actually joined, I already had a few people I was really willing to listen to and a few I was sure I'd never be able trust much. A lot of the time, though, it wasn't such a simple thing because of differing opinions and differing preferences. i.e.: Just because something works really well for me doesn't end up making it true that it will work so well for the next person.

A few topics along the way really got my interest. Such as: Cartos. There were so many differing opinions and differing preferences with the cartos that were around a year and a half ago that I just couldn't sort it out. So... I bought nearly every carto that was available at the time and tried them all for myself. When I was done with that experiment, I discovered two things. 1) It was expensive to go about things that way. I don't recommend buying a box of everything to figure out what works. 2) My opinion was vastly different about a few of those items than the opinions of several people I was (and still am) certain knew what they were talking about. It just turned out that my preferences were different than their preferences.

So, that leaves a real difficulty when trying to recommend something. Sometimes it's really hard to describe why I like something == *AND* My reasons for liking something might actually end up being the exact reasons someone else hates it.

At the risk of making this too long and boring: Let's take the eGo-t for another example. Mine worked. Every single eGo-t atty I had worked except a couple of LRs I got from TW. My eGo-t's created plumes of vapor and delivered my nicotine to me very well. I never experienced leaking, flooding, or premature atty deaths. -- Well, by the end of the eGo-t craze, I felt like I was the only person who never had trouble with it. I even defended that device a few times because I just couldn't understand why mine always worked and so many other people had such troubles. I couldn't see how others could experience such a variety of problems (most of them serious problems, too) while mine never once failed to do what I expected.

That led me to another understanding: There are always variables that are impossible to account for whether they be in manufacturing, in the way a user operates the device, in different juices... etc etc or what-have-you.

So, when you see someone saying something works great and then see someone else saying it's a pile of junk, they might both be right. the best we can do in recommending things to others is to stick to what we know and do our best to describe why it works for us. If it doesn't end up working for whomever the recommendation was given to, well... that's unfortunate but it isn't like we deliberately tried to mislead them.
 

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I get frustrated when I read what everyone suggests when a newbie asks "what should I buy". No wonder their heads start spinning. I started 6 months ago with 808s and cartos. I still use 808s and cartos. I've tried egos, CE3s, nanos Stardusts, dripping...and I still use 808s and cartos. If I had asked "what to buy" 6 months ago, I doubt if many would have recommended 808s and cartos.

I remember when you joined Grimwald. I was on 808s and cartos too. :) They worked very well for me, and still do. I got into other stuff from curiosity rather than need. It was a youtube review from an Australian vaper, not very well known, that led me to buy them. I liked that she was quite honest - especially when she went through the juices, and she didn't have any agenda other than that she was a vaper and related how it worked for her. I should send her an email sometime actually. She doesn't even know how she helped me with that video.
 

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I order small, especially from a new vendor, test it, then put in a larger order. If I have a slight problem, I consider user error and do further research.

What makes you successful??

I do the same. If its something I haven't used before I don't want to end of with a pile of something I don't like to use. For the most part I check out the vendors as well - although I've taken a calculated risk that paid off too. But when I take a risk I'm not spending a lot of money. If I find something I like I stick with it and later add a few more things.

Its funny because back when I found a juice vendor I liked his juice was not popular. If I mentioned him the response was sort of like - oh yeah but you haven't tried xyz's juice. I kept ordering my juice, and now that vendor is extremely popular. So I guess good stuff builds its own reputation for the most part. It just can take some time. As far as juice reviews go - I hardly ever watch any or read any. Though if some-one says the flavor really does taste like apple, for example, I'm more inclined to give a small sample a shot.

So far I've had a good run with every vendor I've bought stuff from. I've had a couple of issues, and both vendors were quick to help sort them out. I used to look through the ECF suppliers linked at the top of the forum, and still occasionally do - and then I'd check out the reviews on them as well. I think you're right about research. Many people seem to ask ECF members to make their decision for them. Its never occurred to me to do that - I might ask questions about a product, but I do my research and the decision is mine.

I think we're spoilt for choice, and it can be confusing for new people. When I look back I just knew I needed an ecig, and bought the first one I could find at a corner shop on the way home from work. That kept me off the smokes until I found something better. So I think, for some people at least, they should just buy something and use it while they learn about what else is out there.
 
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