Sigelei Zmax V3 and V5 Telescopic: User's Group

[roberted5]

Directions for the sigelei Zmax Telescope V3 VV/VW?


Watts stay where set,but volts and watts go back to values of 3.0 if mean/average is chosen no matter if it's set to watts or volts.
Mean/average can be confusing.It can cause watts and volts to go back to 3.0,and reads the same as battery voltage as does battery life.I just set watts and then adjust voltage.

In Led setting pressing voltage changes it from volts to watts,depending on last chosen.There is no voltage and power selection.Just hold when it says voltage and it'll change from volts to power,unlike other menu where power or voltage can be chosen..


I found this to be the most useful:
If you pick watts and set it,then choose volts,watts will stay the same,and adjust voltage and as long as you stay in voltage you'll see voltage up or down it won't go back to 3.0 and you can increase or decrease,but go to watts in any setting and volts goes back to 3.0 and you have to start over with volts or watts depending on what button you pressed.
Confusing yes,but once you get the hang of it you can fine tune.
Just remember average/mean is confusing and causes volts and watts to go to 3.0.Same with going from volts to watts,you have to start all back over and set watts 1st and then set volts all over again.You cannot choose volts then adjust watts.Volts go back to 3.0.

 

[roberted5]

Directions for the sigelei Zmax Telescope V3 VV/VW?


Watts stay where set,but volts and watts go back to values of 3.0 if mean/average is chosen no matter if it's set to watts or volts.
Mean/average choice is useless.Doesn't take any averages or means of anything.It just reads ohms of cart,causes watts and volts to go back to 3.0,and reads the same as battery voltage as does battery life.

In Led setting pressing voltage changes it from volts to watts,depending on last chosen.There is no voltage and power selection.Just hold when it says voltage and it'll change from volts to power,unlike other menu where power or voltage can be chosen..

Poor design on menu is my personal feedback.
I found this to be the most useful:
If you pick watts and set it,then choose volts,watts will stay the same,and adjust voltage and as long as you stay in voltage you'll see voltage up or down it won't go back to 3.0 and you can increase or decrease,but go to watts in any setting and volts goes back to 3.0 and you have to start over with volts or watts depending on what button you pressed.
Confusing yes,but once you get the hang of it you can fine tune.
Just remember average/mean is useless and causes volts and watts to go to 3.0.Same with going from volts to watts,you have to start all back over and set watts 1st and then set volts all over again.You cannot choose volts then adjust watts.Volts go back to 3.0.

Short version:

Here's a quick set of directions for the sigelei Zmax Telescope V3 VV/VW:
1. Set watts,then set menu to voltage you can adjust voltage up or down to get vapor you want.

That's it plain and simple if you adjust voltage or try to check it when in watts by switching to voltage in any menu it will go back to 3.0volts and repeat step one.


You can not set watts go to volts and back to watts and try to set volts,volts will go back to 3.0
Anytime your in power and you go to voltage,voltage will go back to 3.0.

You can read ohms of cart,battery life,there is a menu for that.

Mean/average RMS menu is useless.Leave it alone.
It just reads battery life left and ohm of cart.Reading those values has their own menu.
If you try to get a average or mean of volts or RMS of watts,both go back to 3.0.


Set watts,then adjust voltage to you liking.That's all it can do and read cart in ohms,read battery life.

It may be a good thing to keep you from burning up carts.

It's a good 1st APV.It does work and can be tuned.
Just don't use #8.It's just a button to play with and can cause values of watts and volts to go back to 3.0.

 

[Thayamax]

The #8 setting should be set on RMS and left there. Many newer VV/VW mods don't even offer the option of Mean since RMS is much more consistent.

You can't use VV and VW at the same time. You must choose one or the other. If you decide to use watts (power) the device reads the ohms of your coil and adjusts itself automatically to maintain the power setting you chose. If you decide to use volts (voltage) you must determine the ohms of the coil yourself and adjust the voltage setting manually each time you change your delivery device.

The LCD Display setting is used to set up what you wish to display when you press the activation button. If you choose Voltage it will display the Power or Voltage setting you have previously set each time you press the button. Resistance shows the ohms of your coil when pressing the button and Battery shows how much voltage is left on your battery.

Voltage settings reset to 3v each time you change the battery for protection, as Katya said. There's no need for wattage to reset since it determines the ohms of your coil and adjusts automatically. If you change from RMS to Mean or vice versa, they both reset to 3, but there's never a need to do that. Always stick with RMS.

 

[roberted5]

Short version:

Here's a quick set of directions for the Sigelei Zmax Telescope V3 VV/VW:
1. Set watts,then set menu to voltage you can adjust voltage up or down to get vapor you want.

That's it plain and simple if you adjust voltage or try to check it when in watts by switching to voltage in any menu it will go back to 3.0volts and repeat step one.


You can not set watts go to volts and back to watts and try to set volts,volts will go back to 3.0
Anytime your in power and you go to voltage,voltage will go back to 3.0.

You can read ohms of cart,battery life,there is a menu for that.

Mean/average RMS menu is useless.Leave it alone.
It just reads battery life left and ohm of cart.Reading those values has their own menu.
If you try to get a average or mean of volts or RMS of watts,both go back to 3.0.


Set watts,then adjust voltage to you liking.That's all it can do and read cart in ohms,read battery life.

It may be a good thing to keep you from burning up carts.

It's a good 1st APV.It does work and can be tuned.
Just don't use #8.It's just a button to play with and can cause values of watts and volts to go back to 3.0.

Mistake,I'll do more looking into it.

 

[Thayamax]

Apparently you don't understand the purpose of RMS and Mean on a VV/VW device. It isn't intended to be used as a readout of any kind. Read this thread for an explanation.

 

[DaveP]

Root mean square is a measure of the average level of a sinusoidal waveform. It's an attempt at deriving the power of a waveform as compared to a DC voltage. With a sine wave, the constant is something around .667 times the peak voltage, but that only works for sine waveforms. When you deal with square or triangle waveforms, the constant changes with the pulse length and the amplitude of the pulse. Measuring the voltage at multiple points in the pulse and averaging them is the aim of the calculation. From that, a formula is created to match the shape of the waveform.

Since our mods depend on varying the amplitude, shape, or frequency of the variable voltage pulse, different equations come into play depending on the method. The objective of RMS is to provide a voltage that is meaningful when compare to DC voltage.

What is RMS Voltage or Current

 

[roberted5]

I may have jumped to conclusions to quickly.
I just found that it's easier to set watts,then you can adjust volts.
It's a good mod,but by all values going to 3.0 I just avoid using those buttons.
Here is the true formula,It's Calculus
The RMS value of a set of values (or a continuous-time waveform) is the square root of the arithmetic mean (average) of the squares of the original values (or the square of the function that defines the continuous waveform).

In the case of a set of n values \{x_1,x_2,\dots,x_n\}, the RMS value is given by this formula:

x_{\mathrm{rms}} = \sqrt{ \frac{1}{n} \left( x_1^2 + x_2^2 + \cdots + x_n^2 \right) }.

 

[roberted5]

Apparently you don't understand the purpose of RMS and Mean on a VV/VW device. It isn't intended to be used as a readout of any kind. Read this thread for an explanation.

Could you please explain how to use #8 setting?

 

[roberted5]

The #8 setting should be set on RMS and left there. Many newer VV/VW mods don't even offer the option of Mean since RMS is much more consistent.

You can't use VV and VW at the same time. You must choose one or the other. If you decide to use watts (power) the device reads the ohms of your coil and adjusts itself automatically to maintain the power setting you chose. If you decide to use volts (voltage) you must determine the ohms of the coil yourself and adjust the voltage setting manually each time you change your delivery device.

The LCD Display setting is used to set up what you wish to display when you press the activation button. If you choose Voltage it will display the Power or Voltage setting you have previously set each time you press the button. Resistance shows the ohms of your coil when pressing the button and Battery shows how much voltage is left on your battery.

Voltage settings reset to 3v each time you change the battery for protection, as Katya said. There's no need for wattage to reset since it determines the ohms of your coil and adjusts automatically. If you change from RMS to Mean or vice versa, they both reset to 3, but there's never a need to do that. Always stick with RMS.

Could you please explain how I use #8 menu.To set RMS I need to be in power/watts mode,but why does it always go back to 3.0watts?

 

[roberted5]

It works and I can adjust voltage,once I set watts,and that's okay for 1st APV.I can fine tune by adjusting voltage after I set watts.

 

[Thayamax]

Could you please explain how to use #8 setting?

Simply set #8 to RMS and then forget that setting exists. If you prefer the Mean setting, set #8 to Mean and then forget that setting exists.

Could you please explain how I use #8 menu.To set RMS I need to be in power/watts mode,but why does it always go back to 3.0watts?

You don't have to be in power mode to set the device to RMS, you can set it to RMS from voltage mode, too. It only resets to 3 watts if you change from RMS to Mean or vice versa since you're changing the way the device measures the current. Pick one and stay there.

It works and I can adjust voltage,once I set watts,and that's okay for 1st APV.I can fine tune by adjusting voltage after I set watts.

Once you set the ZMax to power, you're only changing the wattage with the up and down settings, voltage is no longer in effect. When you set it to voltage, only the voltage is changed with the up and down setting, and wattage is no longer in effect. You can't use both at the same time. Changing from one to the other cancels the other out. Again, pick one and stay there. I think you're making it more difficult than it really is.

 

[roberted5]

Simply set #8 to RMS and then forget that setting exists. If you prefer the Mean setting, set #8 to Mean and then forget that setting exists.



You don't have to be in power mode to set the device to RMS, you can set it to RMS from voltage mode, too. It only resets to 3 watts if you change from RMS to Mean or vice versa since you're changing the way the device measures the current. Pick one and stay there.



Once you set the ZMax to power, you're only changing the wattage with the up and down settings, voltage is no longer in effect. When you set it to voltage, only the voltage is changed with the up and down setting, and wattage is no longer in effect. You can't use both at the same time. Changing from one to the other cancels the other out. Again, pick one and stay there. I think you're making it more difficult than it really is.

I think I understand.
For ex:Starting from a new battery inserted.
If I get in power mode and go to RMS/Mean and pick RMS,it sets watts to read in RMS starting at 3.0watts.Then I can adjust watts and it gives a RMS reading in watts when I increase or decrease power in watts.
After I find a watts reading in RMS I like,leave watts and RMS alone,then switch to voltage and tune voltage to vapor I like.

 

[Katya]

I think I understand.
For ex:Starting from a new battery inserted.
If I get in power mode and go to RMS/Mean and pick RMS,it sets watts to read in RMS starting at 3.0watts.Then I can adjust watts and it gives a RMS reading in watts when I increase or decrease power in watts.
After I find a watts reading in RMS I like,leave watts and RMS alone,then switch to voltage and tune voltage to vapor I like.

To simplify things: Set your mode to RMS and forget about it altogether for the time being.

Choose power mode (watts) if that is the mode you want--as opposed to voltage. As Thayamax explained, you have to choose to be either in VV or in VW--you can't do both. If you choose your favorite wattage (say 6 watts), the chip does the math for you. It reads the resistance of the atomizer you put on the battery and adjusts the voltage for you--you can't adjust the voltage in power mode.

If you want to be in volts, you set the volts to your liking, but then you can't adjust the power. If you set your voltage at 3.8v, say, and then screw on your atomizer, the wattage will be determined by the laws of physics, not by you. You will be able to read your wattage, but not adjust it.

The Ohm's Law: Power (Wattage) = Voltage squared divided by resistance.

In other words, you can only control two variables of the above equation--not all three.

 

[Katya]

Here's a video that may help you:

 

[Recon Number 54]

I think I understand.
For ex:Starting from a new battery inserted.
If I get in power mode and go to RMS/Mean and pick RMS,it sets watts to read in RMS starting at 3.0watts.
Then I can adjust watts and it gives a RMS reading in watts when I increase or decrease power in watts.
After I find a watts reading in RMS I like,leave watts and RMS alone,then switch to voltage and tune voltage to vapor I like.

It's even easier than that.

I think I understand.
For ex:Starting from a new battery inserted.
If I get in power mode and go to RMS/Mean and pick RMS,it sets watts to read in RMS starting at 3.0watts.
Then I can adjust watts and it gives a RMS reading in watts when I increase or decrease power in watts to vapor I like.

Let the mod do the calculating. You just adjust the wattage to get the vape that you like and it regulates the voltage itself. If you change tank/carto/head, just adjust your wattage (up/down for your optimal vape) and the device recalculates the voltages based on the resistance of the new head.

Plus, this setup "survives" battery swaps.

 

[roberted5]

I do it the opposite way,set watts then adjust voltage for watts stays the same even if you remove battery,but I'll try it your way and see how I like it.
Like I said in the very beginning leave mean/RMS alone,pick watts or volts,I prefer watts 1st for it stays the same while you go up or down in voltage.
thanks for the help
We went in a circle.

 

[Recon Number 54]

....I prefer watts 1st for it stays the same while you go up or down in voltage.

No, that's not quite right. The wattage CAN'T "Stay the same as you adjust voltage". That's the point I am trying to make. The VV/VW aspect of the mod is not "both user-controlled", it is "either/or" where the circuitry in the mod either automatically adjusts the voltage as the user changes the wattage OR it automatically adjusts the wattage as the user changes the voltage. Both based against the resistance of your coils.

If you are using the VV setting (where you manually adjust the voltage), then the circuitry in the mod will alter the wattage as you change the voltage, and will do so based on the resistance of your unit (it has to balance the equation in order to not violate the laws of physics).

If you are using the VW setting (where you adjust the wattage), then the circuitry in the mod will auto-adjust the voltage to to meet your wattage setting, and will do so based on the resistance of your unit.

It will not allow a user to initially "set the wattage", then change the operating mode to variable voltage and keep the wattage at the previous wattage setting, as the user alters the voltage. Or vice-versa.

Ohm's Law is non-negotiable.

 

[yzer]

Yes Recon, you are correct.

Look, the Sigelei Zmax is at it's best as a variable wattage device.

Set it this way. It's simple and accurate and will adjust to any variables you could want.

Menu Item #1. (1. ON/OFF). Set for ON. This function is placed as #1 so you can use it to disable/enable the fire button quickly for pocket carry.

Menu Item #2 (2. Power or voltage UP) Adjust for voltage or wattage (power) as you wish. Round Robin capability.

Menu Item #3 (3. Power or voltage DOWN). Adjust for voltage or wattage (power) as you wish. Round Robin capability.

Menu Item #4. (4. Batte Voltage): This display function depends on what you choose in Menu Items #5 (LCD Display) and Menu Item #7 (POWER/VOLTAGE). It can be battery voltage or vaping wattage (or voltage) or atomizer resistance. Whatever you chose in Menu Item #5 + Item No. 7 will be displayed in Menu Item #4.

Menu Item #5.(5. LCD DISPLAY) Chose to display battery voltage, voltage or wattage to atomizing device, or atomizer resistance. This value will appear every time you hit the fire button.

Menu Item # 6: (6. LCD ON/OFF): Do you want the display to light up every time you use the device? Hit ON if you do.

Menu Item #7 (7. POWER/VOLTAGE): Do you want the device to show wattage (power) or voltage (voltage) values? Choose one or the other. Power values (wattage) will be saved during battery changes, voltage values will not be saved during battery changes and will default to 3.0 volts as a safety measure.

Menu Item #8. (8. RMS & MEAN). For God's sake, choose RMS whether you are using voltage or wattage. MEAN is a throwback value used by Chinese mod builders before they completely understood PV electronics.

Menu Item #9. (9.????) This has something to due with the external battery charging features of Vmax V5, not V3. I don't understand it.

The logic behind all of this is Eastern, not Occidental.

 

[roberted5]

Thanks for the directions.
It's not a bad mod in any way.
Like I said the watts stay where at set,then you can change to voltage and increase or decrease.

Try it and see,go to #7 and then choose power,then increase or decrease to 4.0watts by using power up or power down-#3 or #4,go back to #7 and choose voltage and increase or decrease voltage #3 or #4 and choose 3.7.If you go back to power it will still be at 4.0 watts.Mine does.
QED

 

[DaveP]

Thanks for the directions.
It's not a bad mod in any way.
Like I said the watts stay where at set,then you can change to voltage and increase or decrease.

Try it and see,go to #7 and then choose power,then increase or decrease to 4.0watts by using power up or power down-#3 or #4,go back to #7 and choose voltage and increase or decrease voltage #3 or #4 and choose 3.7.If you go back to power it will still be at 4.0 watts.Mine does.
QED

You are changing modes when you do that. Yes, it will remember where the wattage setting is when you SWITCH to voltage mode, but you aren't using both modes at once. When you switch to voltage mode, the effective wattage changes as you change the voltage, since power =E^2/R. It you change atomizers (to a different resistance) in voltage mode, the effective power output will vary with the resistance while the voltage stays the same. In power mode, you can change the resistance of the atomizer and the V3 logic will automatically change the voltage for you to maintain the power setting you choose.

The entire point of using Power (wattage) mode is so that the vape remains the same with atomizer coils of different resistances by changing the voltage for you. You tell it how hot you want the vape to be and it stays there, even when you change from a 2 ohm to a 3 ohm coil. It's like an automatic transmission for your ecig. When you switch to voltage mode, you switch the transmission gears (voltage) yourself to suit your own taste and must do that again if you switch to an atomizer with a different resistance. You can't have it both ways.

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