Sigelei Zmax V3 and V5 Telescopic: User's Group

[AndriaD]

Well from somewhere about 4:40-4:45 till 10:40-10:45, the battery voltage dropped only to 3.9, so 6 hrs comfortably, and could probably go another hour before it got to 3.8, where I would feel *compelled* to switch batteries and charge this one. Lots more logistics to work out, with this! I vaped on it pretty much constantly as I always do, and of course playing with the menu incessantly to try and learn its navigation as well I know the vv3's, I know using an LCD draws a lot on the battery, so this might actually be the most I would ever use in about 6 hrs time. Very cool. I imagine the 18350s life will be much like that of the vv3, the same 800mAh.

I do know that this thing is indeed more powerful, and especially if I do use a lower-ohm coil, I get a slight burned taste more frequently than I did with the vv3, or maybe I just need to dry burn and re-flavorwick ALL my coils. I've been consistently lowering the wattage all evening, because I keep tasting that. *sigh* I still have one unused 2.5Ω coil, still in foil, so I could use that one while I work on all the others.

My order from Hong Kong has now left Opa Locka, FL, so I think it should probably be here by Friday or so. Yay! Just a bit over 3 wks, that's not too bad at all.

Andria

 

[JeremyR]

The settings are going to lower than what your used to. It puts out more real power. So don't be upset if you were at 10 now your at 9, because if that's the case your are actually getting the same power or more at the same power setting. Remove a few Strands of flavor wick so your wicking keeps up with the extra power, I sense your not wicking fast enough. We all go through the same progressions in vaping and your at one of them.

3.8v! why would you charge it, it has not even got to its battery rating of 3.7v, where it will spend most of its run Time. There is no need to charge before 3.6. None that I've ever seen... 3.6 is the highest I've seen recommended for extended life, 3.5-3.4 is just fine. You've still got 3-4 hours left on that battery.

The innokin vv3 you had couldn't push the lower ohms as strong as the sigelie can. 2.5 ohms gives you full range of full power in single mode to 14.4 watts . If you look at this chart I link below the amp limit in single mode of 2.5amps is in red. (Stacked limit is 4 amps)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...xZLVd5aDkwUEJEZXc&f=true&noheader=false&gid=1
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[AndriaD]

This is so timely! Glad that after I dry burned 6 of my coils, I left them sitting to dry a bit before I put in the flavor wicks and close 'em back up. That makes a lot of sense, losing some of the flavor wick; the couple I had that had been working just fine, suddenly started tasting burned, even with a silica flavor wick -- but yesterday I noticed that the ones I had removed the cotton flavor wicks from and used silica instead, were leaking, so I added a partial bit of another strand of silica to what was there. That had to be what was causing it! So now I know, a single strand of silica should be plenty.

Also when dry-burning them, I checked the Ω of each one, so I can keep the high-ohm separate from the lower ohm ones; I don't have a lot of the lower ohm coils, and even those aren't *terribly* low, about 2.2 or so, but those will still be fine to use with the vv3, and I'll save the 2.5-and-up for the Sig. Also I think it really is better to take the vv3 when I go out and about; I do wear reading glasses, without which I am nearly blind, up close, and the chars on the Sig display are much smaller than the chars on the vv3's display, which makes it damn near impossible to read when I'm wearing sunglasses instead of reading glasses! I took the Sig when we went out to the store tonight, because I wanted as close to "normal" usage as I could get, which for me means "constant", so I could judge the battery life.

It's good to know that I'm golden down to 3.6v, but when I get below 4v I get a little nervous. I'd probably go ahead and stick the batt in the charger when it gets to 3.7... because I never want the experience of trying to take a hit, only to find my battery is dead. I would say that's right up there with finding your cigarette has gone out, but with a cigarette, you just relight it; out in the world, your vape battery goes dead, and if you don't have another with you... a bit more of a problem than having to relight a cigarette.

I've also discovered that a topper skinnier than the Sig doesn't look as goofy as I thought it would; think I'll order another MT3S, this time stainless, to go with this Sig. I already have 3 tanks that use those coils, so it might as well be another like those. Just out of curiosity tonight, I checked out the evod's, because they do look similar to the MT3S, but they're only 1.6ml, more like the Mini PT II, which I guess makes sense since those use the same coils. I really can't say I'm terribly impressed with the vape I get from those coils, either in my Mini PT II, or the new Hypertank, which I did finally try out tonight; they seem to mute the flavor a lot, I dunno, it just seems I get a lot more flavor from the coils in the xT3S's. Really weird since they're made by the same company, for tanks in a similar price range.

And yeah, this thing has to be a lot more powerful; I find somewhere about 8w seems best, and I had to use 10w on the vv3 to get the same effect. Cool!

I was just checking out the progress on all the vapemail heading my way, and it looks like I'm about to get the Mother Lode tomorrow -- even the order from Hong Kong, processed thru the Atlanta sort facility just about 8pm tonight, so I'm pretty sure it'll be here tomorrow too -- which means from order to delivery would be exactly 3 weeks, which really isn't bad at all for Hong Kong.


Andria

 

[baseballmom]

peeps and mrsp-you 2 better post pics please-"I don't need another mod, I don't need another mod, I don't need another mod" will be my mantra though after seeing these-I'm on an ordering moratorium, self induced until end of may/beginning of june-yet I keep looking at rba's and rda's, and have a never ending list of juices as is-good thing mother's day is coming up

 

[AndriaD]

Question: I've heard a lot of folks talking about their mods making a "rattlesnake" sound, and I've wondered about it, since I never had anything like that with the vv3. However, I've been noticing that, especially, it seems like, at lower wattages especially, when I'm actually taking a hit, the "hissing" sound of the atty seems to "stutter", sorta -- is that what everyone is talking about?

At first it kinda freaked me out, but then I remembered this phenomenon, and thought the stuttering might be what some describe as "rattlesnake."

Andria

 

[MrsP0721]

peeps and mrsp-you 2 better post pics please-"I don't need another mod, I don't need another mod, I don't need another mod" will be my mantra though after seeing these-I'm on an ordering moratorium, self induced until end of may/beginning of june-yet I keep looking at rba's and rda's, and have a never ending list of juices as is-good thing mother's day is coming up

I will definitely post pics! I tried really hard to talk myself out of buying it, I really DON'T need another mod lol, but man, I just could not help myself especially since there's been quite a bit of back and forth as to if they're going to keep producing them!

 

[yzer]

I get the rattlesnake sound when I use the 2.0 ohm single coil carto in IBTanked at 6.5 to 7.0W. This is my favorite set-up. Yes, it could be described as a stuttering hiss. It has no effect on vapor quality as far as I can tell. If I use a 3.0 ohm carto at the same power there is no rattlesnake sound.

The Sigelei Zmax should be run with Menu Item No. 8 set at RMS, not Mean. This gives the most accurate voltage and power settings. Selecting Mean usually results in hotter vapor production than expected.

Looking forward to seeing pics of the new Sigeleis here.

 

[fairmana]

The "Rattlesnake" effect is caused by the way the circuit in your mod applies power to the atomizer. It's done by applying voltage and then removing it very quickly. It's like turning your light on and off in your living room by flipping the light switch on and off as fast as you can. The "average power" that is applied to the atomizer is varied by leaving the voltage "On" of "Off" for longer or shorter time intervals. In electronics, this is called "Pulse Width Modulation" (PWM). If memory serves, the frequency used in the Sigelei is 33.3 Kilohertz. Other mods use a faster PWM frequency and the rattlesnake effect is not as noticeable (if at all).

Some people swear that a faster PWM improves their vape experience, while others maintain that it doesn't make the slightest difference whatsoever. Some people just aren't crazy about the way it sounds when they vape. Everyone has their own opinion. I personally don't think it makes any difference one way or the other, although I have to admit that I've never owned a mod with a faster PWM rate so I can't base that on experience. On paper, the delivery of power over time shouldn't equate to any difference so long as the "average power" delivered to the atomizer is the same.

 

[fairmana]

Since there was a little discussion regarding the protank atomizers, I wanted to throw this out there...

On the top of my Sigelei V3, I switch between a Davide tank (protank clone) and my Kayfun lite plus clone (Tabeco). My wife uses a Protank II on the top of her Vamo V3. That being said, we both use the same "protank style" atomizers so I've been rebuilding them for a while now.

One thing I began to notice after using these protank atomizers is that our tanks began to leak through the bottom air vents, and adding extra top wicks didn't help. I eventually discovered that the leaking was occurring at the rubber cap on the atomizer stem. I guess those rubber caps wear out over time and the air tube inside the tank doesn't fit against the rubber cap tight enough to create a good seal anymore.

Anyway, what I ended up doing was making a rubber washer to add to the top of the rubber cap to make it thicker, which thankfully solved the problem (I made a least a dozen which I re-use). To make the rubber washers, I used an extra clear rubber "boot" that my old Viva Nova atomizers used to come in. They also use these boots for other things, so you probably have a few of these laying around. I cut the washer out by cutting open and flattening the rubber boot, and then pressing the bottom of a metal acid brush against the rubber (like a cookie cutter) which cuts out a round rubber circle about the right size. Then I used one of those hole punches you can buy to add holes to leather belts to make the center hole of the washer.

I've read that some people just use an additional rubber cap upside down on top of the other one to make a better seal but my Davide tank is different inside (flat) and that solution doesn't work well for it (crushes the extra rubber cap).

Anyway, I just thought I'd throw this out there to maybe help anyone else dealing with this same leaking problem with the Protank style atomizers (especially if you re-use them).

By the way, those acid brushes are cheap and are great for cleaning in small areas with alcohol, etc. and I highly recommend them. I used to bring them home when I was in the military, but now they sell them all over the place. The bristles are too long and floppy to be of much use when you first buy them, so you need to cut them down with scissors to make the bristles shorter and firmer.

 

[Purplepeeps]

I'm so excited! The rainbow is here

 

[AndriaD]

Ok, pictures...

The new Sigelei, with new HyperTank2 on top, and the stainless knucklehead I got from Hong Kong (it finally came!!!)...

And new eGo-C Twist, with the black MT3S I got for it a couple weeks go... looks good together!

And behind them, you can see the new storage chest I bought yesterday, to hold this burgeoning collection of vape stuff.


Also, I have a question... it's about that eGo charger I got to go with the eGo-C; I've never had any eGo device before, so I don't know much about their operation, charging, etc. When the red light there on the charger turns green, is it done charging?

This is the charger I got for it... 79 cents, so I got two... just in case...

In the pic it's green, because nothing is attached to it.. but once I put the Twist back on it, it goes back to red, so I thought I should ask.


Andria

 

[Purplepeeps]

I just could not help myself, I fell in love with the Rainbow V5 and even though I really don't need ANOTHER mod, I had to get one. I ordered it today and it already shipped and said it should be here Saturday! I cannot wait, I got really lucky that the company is in AZ and I'm in TX so it's not too far lol. I already have 5 mods (including 3 Sigeleis) so I listed my 2 Zmax minis. I am really REALLY excited, I have 2 minis and a V3 so I know Sigeleis are quality mods and it really is just beautiful! I can't wait to get it and take pictures to show off lol.

I'm so excited for you to get the rainbow!

You must have ordered from KP too! They're super fast! I can't believe it's here already, in NY!

I haven't fired her up yet. Waiting on dh to do a lube job, when he gets home. A big plus for me is the button and screen, on the same side. The button has a nice click sound and it feels really nice in my hand.

 

[AndriaD]

The "Rattlesnake" effect is caused by the way the circuit in your mod applies power to the atomizer. It's done by applying voltage and then removing it very quickly. It's like turning your light on and off in your living room by flipping the light switch on and off as fast as you can. The "average power" that is applied to the atomizer is varied by leaving the voltage "On" of "Off" for longer or shorter time intervals. In electronics, this is called "Pulse Width Modulation" (PWM). If memory serves, the frequency used in the Sigelei is 33.3 Kilohertz. Other mods use a faster PWM frequency and the rattlesnake effect is not as noticeable (if at all).

Some people swear that a faster PWM improves their vape experience, while others maintain that it doesn't make the slightest difference whatsoever. Some people just aren't crazy about the way it sounds when they vape. Everyone has their own opinion. I personally don't think it makes any difference one way or the other, although I have to admit that I've never owned a mod with a faster PWM rate so I can't base that on experience. On paper, the deliver of power over time shouldn't equate to any difference so long as the "average power" delivered to the atomizer is the same.

The only real question I had about it was *is* this the rattlesnake sound I've read so much about... or was my hearing going nuts. Sometimes if your heart is really pounding, you can get a similar sort of effect with your hearing. I can't say it bothers me, it's barely noticeable, but I just wondered; the way people talk about it, you'd think it was some awful sound, instead of a very subtle "stutter" in the hissing sound of the atty. The vape from the Sigelei is awesome! Who cares what it sounds like!

One thing I *have* noticed that's different, and I think it must be because the Sig does seem to energize an amazing amount of vapor... the condensate that builds up on the mouthpiece becomes so heavy, I think it must be trickling down into the center tube -- earlier I was getting a bit of a gurgle, for no reason I could immediately see; the tank wasn't low, and no moisture on the battery post... but when I ran a pipe cleaner down into the tube, it cleared right up, so it's gotta be trickling condensate that's causing it.

Andria

 

[Purplepeeps]

Andrea, the ego's I have light up, while charging. When done ,the light goes off. I don't pay any attention to the charger light.

 

[fairmana]

Also, I have a question... it's about that eGo charger I got to go with the eGo-C; I've never had any eGo device before, so I don't know much about their operation, charging, etc. When the red light there on the charger turns green, is it done charging?

Andria, I can't see the pic you posted (probably an issue with my browser). However, if it's anything like the USB style charger I used when I was using an eGo-C over 2 years ago, then:

It will turn green when the battery is fully charged.

It will be red while charging
-or-
when you don't have an eGo battery screwed onto it.

Hope that helps.

 

[AndriaD]

Andrea, the ego's I have light up, while charging. When done ,the light goes off. I don't pay any attention to the charger light.

Ok, cool, thanks! I do notice that the button is lit up.. I'll keep my eye on it, see when it goes dark.

Now that I've got the Sigelei and the 2 vv3's, that Twist really is just a backup unit... but it's 1300mAh, and looks so nice with that MT3S I bought for it, I may just use it when we go out on shopping expeditions that may take awhile, but definitely plan to take the Sigelei when we go for those day-trips to my folks; these 18650 2250mAh's are AWESOME!!!

I've also got a flared cone on order from Desert Vapes, because I'm thinking I may just end up using that HyperTank2 on the stainless vv3; it doesn't look quite right to me, on the Sigelei. Earlier I went ahead and ordered a stainless MT3S to go with the Sigelei; I had thought that toppers skinnier than the Sig would look silly on it, but these 15mm tanks fit perfectly in the well, and don't look silly at all, so I figured the stainless MT3S was good addition to my growing collection of xT3S tanks.

The pouch-lanyard I got from HK is kind of a bust, so I'm glad it was only $1.07; it's really a bit too small for the vv3, I think it compresses the buttons at the bottom. As I said, glad it was only $1.07! I'll have to keep my eyes open for something that might work better, and doesn't cost a fortune. Or maybe I could get the ol man to cut away the "pleather" on the front layer, at the botton, to free up the buttons/screen -- it would still be held quite tightly, and wouldn't fall thru.

BTW, my server is having some issues today, some timeouts on the tracert, so the pics I posted may or may not show up. Stupid internet!

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

Andria, I can't see the pic you posted (probably an issue with my browser). However, if it's anything like the USB style charger I used when I was using an eGo-C over 2 years ago, then:

It will turn green when the battery is fully charged.

It will be red while charging
-or-
when you don't have an eGo battery screwed onto it.

Hope that helps.

Yeah, I noticed that my server is having some issues, or maybe not the server, the path to/from it, something going haywire in the routing. Once they get that cleared up, the pics should appear -- my site is up, but taking its sweet time loading, and there are some timeouts.

Thx for the tips!
Andria

 

[yzer]

Your photos are up on post #1986. They weren't there the first time I saw the post but appeared a few minutes later.

 

[yzer]

Incidentally, I'm in the process of changing ISPs sometime during the next several days. This may keep me offline for several days. If I don't answer any posts or PMs for several days I didn't die or anything... I just don't have internet service. This may happen next week or maybe even sooner. Nobody can predict how these companies operate.

 

[VapieDan]

Incidentally, I'm in the process of changing ISPs sometime during the next several days. This may keep me offline for several days. If I don't answer any posts or PMs for several days I didn't die or anything... I just don't have internet service. This may happen next week or maybe even sooner. Nobody can predict how these companies operate.

I'm not sure if any of them "operate". They just provide poorly.