Slow Cooker Extraction of Tobacco and Tea

[Starlyte2]

There's a shop, or even a few, that sell filter bags specially for filtering NET juice. I used filter paper, finer than coffee filters, but there was a powder residue in the bottle when I'd emptied it. I'll post the one I've seen...when I find it again

BUT what I came here for is to ask if any one knows a tobacco leaf supplier, in Europe. Where I went before doesn't sell them now . So please if any body has a Europe based address, I'd love to know it...

 

[Chuck2]

Hey Chuck ~

I didn't catch how much pg/vg you started with to yield that 50 ml. Just wondering if the broil dried the perique and allowed it to absorb more liquid.

I did an American Spirit Perique extraction last week and just pulled a ml to drip. I'm getting a very complex spice note but no solid tobacco bottom end. Of course it needs some time but it tastes like a winner.

I used 150 ml pg/vg at 50/50 per 15 gm of tobacco which yields ~115 ml extract. I'll probably do a 50% extract for the final mix.

I think I remember starting with 80ml.

 

[_jmeek]

I think I remember starting with 80ml.

Thanks, Doesn't sound like you took much of a volume hit from the drier tobacco. 'Bout the same ratio with my untoasted tobacco.
Do you have a sense of whether the toasting improved flavor? Sounds like it may be worth a try.

BTW: Daughters & Ryan Rimboche AP is a blend of flue-cured Gold Leaf tobaccos and a rare Acadian Perique well suited for extraction. Vaping some now. mmmmmmmmmmmmmm............

 

[_jmeek]

I try my best to keep it fun and do what works.

Bill ~

Try 1 micron disks. It's slow but doable @50/50 pg/vg. 3-4 drops a second. Haven't tried straight vg though.
I like the German made t-sac bags for filtration. They don't absorb as much juice as a paper coffee filter as they are much thinner.
Amazon.com: T-Sac Tea Filter Size 2 - 400 Filters: Kitchen & Dining

John M

 

[Chinook]

Bill ~

Try 1 micron disks. It's slow but doable @50/50 pg/vg. 3-4 drops a second. Haven't tried straight vg though.
I like the German made t-sac bags for filtration. They don't absorb as much juice as a paper coffee filter as they are much thinner.
Amazon.com: T-Sac Tea Filter Size 2 - 400 Filters: Kitchen & Dining

John M

John M,

How are your NETs on the coils after filtering through 1 micron disks? Do you also warm up your extracts before filtering through the 1 micron disk? Also, would you say these 1 micron disks last for filtering ~100 ml extract?

Thanks.

 

[_jmeek]

John M,

How are your NETs on the coils after filtering through 1 micron disks? Do you also warm up your extracts before filtering through the 1 micron disk? Also, would you say these 1 micron disks last for filtering ~100 ml extract?

Thanks.

Chinook ~

I've been vaping an Organic Kentucky Select (RYO) the longest with an average gunk factor. Re-wick and dry burn once a week. Just mixed some pipe blend (D&R Rimboche AP with some Acadian Perique). Getting slight build-up in my iGo-L dripper but nothing excessive.

I do warm the maceration (50%pg/50%vg) before pouring through the t-sac filters but no re-heat for the disks. The 1µ discs should be good for more than 100ml. I backflush with PGA and they're good for another 100 ml at least.

 

[Chinook]

Chinook ~

I've been vaping an Organic Kentucky Select (RYO) the longest with an average gunk factor. Re-wick and dry burn once a week. Just mixed some pipe blend (D&R Rimboche AP with some Acadian Perique). Getting slight build-up in my iGo-L dripper but nothing excessive.

I do warm the maceration (50%pg/50%vg) before pouring through the t-sac filters but no re-heat for the disks. The 1µ discs should be good for more than 100ml. I backflush with PGA and they're good for another 100 ml at least.

Thank you very much for the info. Do you think 0.5 um would work too, or would be too slow of a filtering process? Also, may I ask where you got those filters?

Thanks.

 

[_jmeek]

Sorry, I don't remember which Amazon vendor I sourced them from but a search for 'disk filters' should get you a list. I also got 60ml luer lock syringes to use with the disks.

I think .5µ would be pushing your luck. Maybe with warm pg but it took a fair bit of force to squeeze the 50/50 through the 1µ disk.

 

[billherbst]

Sorry, I don't remember which Amazon vendor I sourced them from but a search for 'disk filters' should get you a list. I also got 60ml luer lock syringes to use with the disks.

I think .5µ would be pushing your luck. Maybe with warm pg but it took a fair bit of force to squeeze the 50/50 through the 1µ disk.

I'm so glad to get confirmation from someone who's actually tried this. Thanks!

 

[Chinook]

Sorry, I don't remember which Amazon vendor I sourced them from but a search for 'disk filters' should get you a list. I also got 60ml luer lock syringes to use with the disks.

I think .5µ would be pushing your luck. Maybe with warm pg but it took a fair bit of force to squeeze the 50/50 through the 1µ disk.

Between you and Bill, the smallest feasible pore size looks like 1um for these filters.

Thanks to both of you for sharing your experiences here. And all of the others before me.

 

[LucentShadow]

I can confirm that 0.45 micron syringe filters are useless for VG NET, after two runs through coffee filters. I never thought of the VG itself not getting through there, and assumed that the extract was clogging it instantly. Back-flushing with water worked fine, and confirmed the filter was ok.

I've tried some 2 micron filter paper from amazon once, and it didn't seem to have great effect after a 'cotton plug in a syringe' filtering, though it did obviously trap some of the stuff that got through the cotton. Lab paper filters can be hit-and-miss, I've noted in various reviews that I've read.

 

[_jmeek]

I have had some extracts (American Spirit Perique and Kentucky Select Organic) sitting in glass jars for a couple of weeks since triple t-sac and 1u disk filtration. There is a thin layer of sediment at the bottom of each container. I will have to do a side-by-side disk and no disk filtration to determine if the disk step is worth the hassle.

On the up side, all I'll need to do is syringe the liquid from the top to get a cleaner extract. Maybe just allowing the sediment to fall out is the best way to get a clean extract. We shall see...

 

[Chinook]

I have had some extracts (American Spirit Perique and Kentucky Select Organic) sitting in glass jars for a couple of weeks since triple t-sac and 1u disk filtration. There is a thin layer of sediment at the bottom of each container. I will have to do a side-by-side disk and no disk filtration to determine if the disk step is worth the hassle.

On the up side, all I'll need to do is syringe the liquid from the top to get a cleaner extract. Maybe just allowing the sediment to fall out is the best way to get a clean extract. We shall see...

Thanks! Please let us know how it turns out.

By the way, have you ever extracted American Spirits Organics? None of the vendor NETs I tried had that pure and rich tobacco essence....

 

[billherbst]

Thanks! Please let us know how it turns out.

By the way, have you ever extracted American Spirits Organics? None of the vendor NETs I tried had that pure and rich tobacco essence....

Chinook,

I have about 70mls of home-brewed extract made from American Spirits Organic. Also, Big Spirit from Clay at N-E-T.com is extracted from American Spirits---don't know if it's the organic line or not.

Although my American Spirits Organic extract is a terrific NET and makes delicious juice, I'm a little more partial to my home-brewed Nat Sherman MCD extract. It's a bit deeper and more complex in flavor. (N-E-T.com if offering that, too, now, under the name NS Dark.)

 

[Chinook]

Thanks billherbst. I tried Big Spirit too. I'm not sure if it was my equipment or not but it was very dilute tasting for me. I think Big Spirit is from the non-organic version of the American Spirits tobacco.

How does your American Spirits Organic extract compare to Big Spirit?

Interesting... Thanks about letting me know how MCD compares to AS. I heard about the NS Dark offering from N-E-T.com. I might try that too!

 

[_jmeek]

By the way, have you ever extracted American Spirits Organics? None of the vendor NETs I tried had that pure and rich tobacco essence....

Hi Chinook !

I did smoke American Spirits Organics RYO for years but haven't made an extract yet. I use Sun Butler's Kentucky Select Organic for that ciggy vape. It's made with certified organic Virginia tobacco, with extracts of Agave, Prune, and Vanilla. Quite tasty but subdued compared to AS Organic lit up and smoking . I may do that for my next slow cooker session but I've got plenty of extracted blends waiting to be mixed and vaped that I don't know how soon that will be. I do want to do the sediment test so maybe that will motivate me to action.

 

[Chinook]

Thanks _jmeek. I hope your extracts turn out very tasty

 

[billherbst]

How does your American Spirits Organic extract compare to Big Spirit?

I don't know. I stopped ordering retail NET juices some month ago, as my own home-brewed extracting became more successful. (Basically, my first home-brewed NET---made from Skydancer Native American all-natural cigarettes---was pretty good. All five that have followed have been spectacularly good---AS Organic, Nat Sherman MCD, and three pipe tobacco blends.

As a result, I haven't vaped any of Clay's offerings from N-E-T.com. As you know, enthusiasm about them on the Natural Tobaccos thread is very high---yours is the first post I've read with a direct criticism of Big Spirit.

Having vaped 150 retail NET juices (and DIY juices made from retail NET extracts from MyVapeJuice), I feel confident to say that my home-brewed American Spirit Organic extract is not "dilute tasting." I've been vaping AS Organic at a low mix percentage---9%---because I like the subtlety and delicacy of the flavor.

I just mixed up 3mls of AS Organic using 25% extract (16mg nic, 20/80 PG/VG), just to see how it tastes mixed strong. I microwaved the bottle of DIY juice on high power for 10 seconds to approximate some steeping time. Atty-dripping reveals it to be very rich. It's not nearly as intense as NETs such as A+ Devil Dog or w2v London, because my extract simply isn't as potent as those. But it is very flavorful.

The only criticism I have of my AS Organic is that it's a bit simpler and less multi-dimensional than my Nat Sherman MCD. I don't know whether that's the tobacco itself or my extraction techniques.

 

[Jerms]

Thanks billherbst. I tried Big Spirit too. I'm not sure if it was my equipment or not but it was very dilute tasting for me. I think Big Spirit is from the non-organic version of the American Spirits tobacco.

How does your American Spirits Organic extract compare to Big Spirit?

Interesting... Thanks about letting me know how MCD compares to AS. I heard about the NS Dark offering from N-E-T.com. I might try that too!

I think it may be your equipment, NETcom makes Big Spirit at 25% tobacco extract so it's about as strong as you'll find for that specific tobacco. I have no idea how well an even higher ratio of tobacco extract would work.

Bill's are mixed much lighter, but I still get plenty of flavor and they're just as good. Well, the Nat Sherman isn't just as good, it's better, NS makes for a more complex vape experience than AS to me. I look forward to trying NETcom's version of NS MCD.

 

[Chinook]

I don't know. I stopped ordering retail NET juices some month ago, as my own home-brewed extracting became more successful. (Basically, my first home-brewed NET---made from Skydancer Native American all-natural cigarettes---was pretty good. All five that have followed have been spectacularly good---AS Organic, Nat Sherman MCD, and three pipe tobacco blends.

As a result, I haven't vaped any of Clay's offerings from N-E-T.com. As you know, enthusiasm about them on the Natural Tobaccos thread is very high---yours is the first post I've read with a direct criticism of Big Spirit.

Having vaped 150 retail NET juices (and DIY juices made from retail NET extracts from MyVapeJuice), I feel confident to say that my home-brewed American Spirit Organic extract is not "dilute tasting." I've been vaping AS Organic at a low mix percentage---9%---because I like the subtlety and delicacy of the flavor.

I just mixed up 3mls of AS Organic using 25% extract (16mg nic, 20/80 PG/VG), just to see how it tastes mixed strong. I microwaved the bottle of DIY juice on high power for 10 seconds to approximate some steeping time. Atty-dripping reveals it to be very rich. It's not nearly as intense as NETs such as A+ Devil Dog or w2v London, because my extract simply isn't as potent as those. But it is very flavorful.

The only criticism I have of my AS Organic is that it's a bit simpler and less multi-dimensional than my Nat Sherman MCD. I don't know whether that's the tobacco itself or my extraction techniques.

Thanks Bill for the info. This is very encouraging. I think I'll go ahead and try DIY AS Organic as my first DIY project.