Small rant about Battery safety

[corsairhawkvap3]

So the other day i was at my local b&m and vaping my quad coil igo w, enjoying it flawlessly. The guys next to me asked what type of batteries i was using. I responded saying i only use Sony 30A and Samsung 22a because i love sub ohm. Then he responds oh i'm using Panasonic green batteries. Idk if they were the 2900mah or 3400mah but then he goes on to say he's been using them on .2-.3 ohm coils. Those battery could only push 10amps i believe if i'm wrong please correct me=)

... is he thinking, do these people not realize the type of damage that could happen.

Sorry guys just a little rant about people not vaping safely. xD

 

[volume control]

I understand its within the limitations of your battery, but i wouldnt say any of this subohm culture is "safe vaping" You can still short and pop a 30A battery. You effectively reduce the reliability/safety of anything you use when you work it hard. I hope you at least led him on the better path, but i also hope you dont think you have nothing to worry about ever because youre being "safe"

 

[Bkag]

Not sure on the amp rating of the green Panasonics, but vaping at sub ohm without knowing the amp rating is dangerous in itself!

 

[E_DeCastro]

I have a short stop for a dead short and don't vape below .7ohms

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

Panasonic makes several types of "green batteries." Some are high drain. Some are not. It's important to read the specs of the cell being purchased and understand what it's capable of.

 

[corsairhawkvap3]

I understand its within the limitations of your battery, but i wouldnt say any of this subohm culture is "safe vaping" You can still short and pop a 30A battery. You effectively reduce the reliability/safety of anything you use when you work it hard. I hope you at least led him on the better path, but i also hope you dont think you have nothing to worry about ever because youre being "safe"

Yes i fully agree with you, you reduce the danger of using a battery that is fully capable of handling that much amps. I've told the person to please not use those batteries and get the sony/samsung/aw/mnke/orbtronic but nope he just said it's ok i've been using it for a year. Idk if he was over exaggerating but dammmm lol Of course i fully understand that there's still danger when vaping sub ohm but vaping .3ohm at 4.2 is only 14 amps. Definitely within the limits of my sony. The other guy is vaping .2ohm at 4.2=21amps or .2ohm at 4volts=20amps which Way over the amp limit on those batteries.

Also i'm not trying to sound rude just trying to have a nice discussion =) Vape on my friend!

 

[degnr8]

How do you determine the amp capabilities (c rating?) of a battery? The web sites don't seem to say in their descriptions and I don't see anything on the batteries I already have.

 

[corsairhawkvap3]

How do you determine the amp capabilities (c rating?) of a battery? The web sites don't seem to say in their descriptions and I don't see anything on the batteries I already have.

Yea for me it's always been hard to find the C rating of the batteries but if you search around the sub ohm sections many people will show you the specs of each battery you might have. If you list the batteries you have right now i could tell you the amps limits =)

 

[volume control]

Yes i fully agree with you, you reduce the danger of using a battery that is fully capable of handling that much amps. I've told the person to please not use those batteries and get the sony/samsung/aw/mnke/orbtronic but nope he just said it's ok i've been using it for a year. Idk if he was over exaggerating but dammmm lol Of course i fully understand that there's still danger when vaping sub ohm but vaping .3ohm at 4.2 is only 14 amps. Definitely within the limits of my sony. The other guy is vaping .2ohm at 4.2=21amps or .2ohm at 4volts=20amps which Way over the amp limit on those batteries.

Also i'm not trying to sound rude just trying to have a nice discussion =) Vape on my friend!

Well if its not IMR or at least hybrid I wouldnt want to use it in anything unprotected. Plenty of online and b&m shops sell people anything with only fine print warnings that are typically ignored. Im sure he is one of thousands, luckily batteries just generally dont blow up for no reason (he has a reason, he is asking for it)

 

[E_DeCastro]

I responded saying i only use Sony 30A and Samsung 22a because i love sub ohm.

I love my sony 30A. I'm going to be buying 4 more soon.

 

[volume control]

I would die if they would make an 18500 or 18350 Sony or Samsung with a high rating

 

[corsairhawkvap3]

Well if its not IMR or at least hybrid I wouldnt want to use it in anything unprotected. Plenty of online and b&m shops sell people anything with only fine print warnings that are typically ignored. Im sure he is one of thousands, luckily batteries just generally dont blow up for no reason (he has a reason, he is asking for it)

Exactly i would only use imr or hybrid or the samsung which are INR, they are safe chemistry. Yea i wish people would do some research before plunging themselves into a hobby or how ever you wanna call it lol

 

[corsairhawkvap3]

I love my sony 30A. I'm going to be buying 4 more soon.

I'm in the same boat as you my friend. I have 4 from congrevape coming in soon xD can't wait

I would die if they would make an 18500 or 18350 Sony or Samsung with a high rating

Yes both Samsung and Sony should make 18350 3000mah 30A continuous discharge. That would be GODLY!!!!

 

[kaiser74]

I wonder when the hobby, and devices will evolve to the point that li-ion won't cut it.
Li-po can discharge 10 times (or more) what li-on can.
I have some lipo batteries that can discharge 100's of amps for quite a long time, and can last years with proper care. 1s 3.7 volt all the way up to 8s 30 volt.

There is also li-fe that's safer then lipo but doesn't pack the punch.

 

[dr g]

I would die if they would make an 18500 or 18350 Sony or Samsung with a high rating

Just go with an AW 18490.
350s might just be too small for such current.

I wonder when the hobby, and devices will evolve to the point that li-ion won't cut it.
Li-po can discharge 10 times (or more) what li-on can.
I have some lipo batteries that can discharge 100's of amps for quite a long time, and can last years with proper care. 1s 3.7 volt all the way up to 8s 30 volt.

There is also li-fe that's safer then lipo but doesn't pack the punch.

LiPo and multi-cell are already used in vaping but are not preferred due to safety concerns.

Lifepo4 also is used but not preferred.

 

[Baditude]

So the other day i was at my local b&m and vaping my quad coil igo w, enjoying it flawlessly. The guys next to me asked what type of batteries i was using. I responded saying i only use Sony 30A and Samsung 22a because i love sub ohm. Then he responds oh i'm using Panasonic green batteries. Idk if they were the 2900mah or 3400mah but then he goes on to say he's been using them on .2-.3 ohm coils. Those battery could only push 10amps i believe if i'm wrong please correct me=)

... is he thinking, do these people not realize the type of damage that could happen.

Sorry guys just a little rant about people not vaping safely. xD

Panasonic makes a few different batteries that are green, and few that are grey. None of them are over 10 amp continuous discharge rate and should not be used for extreme sub-ohms (< 0.7 ohm) in my opinion.

The green 3400 mAh Panny's are only 6.8 amp CDR and probably shouldn't be used for RBAs or a Kick, as they are not IMR or high drain. They are available either protected or unprotected.

Ohm's Law Calculator

AW IMR
18650 2000mah 10Amp CDR
18650 1600mah 24A

Samsung hybrid (LiNiCoMnP)
INR18650-20R 2000mah 22A

MNKE IMR
IMR18650 1500mah 20A

Panasonic ​or Orbtronic hybrid
CGR18650CH (IMR/Li Ion hybrid) 2250mAh 10A
NCR18650PD (LiNiCoAl) 2900mAh 10A

Efest IMR
18650 2000mah 10A
18650 1600mAh 30A

Sony
us18650vct3 1600mAh 30A
us18650v3 IMR 2250mAh 10A

* AW IMR
18490 (1100mah) 8.8A

*AW IMR
18350 ​(700mah) 6A​

Battery Basics for Mods: IMR or Protected Battery?

 

[Codz]

Well if its not IMR or at least hybrid I wouldnt want to use it in anything unprotected. Plenty of online and b&m shops sell people anything with only fine print warnings that are typically ignored. Im sure he is one of thousands, luckily batteries just generally dont blow up for no reason (he has a reason, he is asking for it)

I think the panasonic green batteries are unprotected. As you say, why would anyone intentionally use a non-IMR or non-protected battery outside of a device that has inbuilt protection. Especially for sub-ohm vaping. The chances of an accident occuring have to be pretty damned high in that situation.

 

[volume control]

Just go with an AW 18490.
350s might just be too small for such current.

I use 18500 and 18350 AW IMRs and vape Boge LR cartos. Im ok, just would love more mah in the small package

 

[Codz]

Panasonic makes a few different batteries that are green, and few that are grey. None of them are over 10 amp continuous discharge rate and should not be used for extreme sub-ohms (< 0.7 ohm) in my opinion.

The green 3400 mAh Panny's are only 6.8 amp CDR and probably shouldn't be used for RBAs or a Kick, as they are not IMR or high drain. They are available either protected or unprotected.

Ohm's Law Calculator

AW IMR
18650 2000mah 10Amp CDR
18650 1600mah 24A

Samsung hybrid (LiNiCoMnP)
INR18650-20R 2000mah 22A

MNKE IMR
IMR18650 1500mah 20A

Panasonic ​or Orbtronic hybrid
CGR18650CH (IMR/Li Ion hybrid) 2250mAh 10A
NCR18650PD (LiNiCoAl) 2900mAh 10A

Efest IMR
18650 2000mah 10A
18650 1600mAh 30A

Sony
us18650vct3 1600mAh 30A
us18650v3 IMR 2250mAh 10A

* AW IMR
18490 (1100mah) 8.8A

*AW IMR
18350 ​(700mah) 6A​

Battery Basics for Mods: IMR or Protected Battery?

This is interesting. To some extent, it doesnt really matter for me as i use either the samsung or panasonic unprotected batteries in my evic when i use it, but didnt realise the amp rating was so much higher on the samsungs.

 

[kaiser74]

Just go with an AW 18490.
350s might just be too small for such current.




LiPo and multi-cell are already used in vaping but are not preferred due to safety concerns.

Lifepo4 also is used but not preferred.

I'm not sure on what technology the high end mods use, but a 30 amp draw is nothing for a high c rated lipo. The only issues we have run into with them is when the draw is 100's of amps for more then a minute, which rarely happens.

What are these safety concerns?