Smoking is allowed...but vaping isn't [college campus]

[zoiDman]

Ahh well, I can't please everyone all of the time. I stand by my statement and you may stand by yours. Kids suspended for holding a pop tart shaped like a gun; colleges requiring atheists may be members of Christian groups; speech codes, examples of educational irrationality are rampant. I know the individuals are very dedicated to what they do; I sometimes wonder what they are doing, it doesn't appear to be education.

Perhaps where we Differ is in the Percentages?

I will Not Disagree that one can Find some Crazy, and at times Baffling, policies implemented in the Educational Systems. But I see them as the Exception. And Not the Rule.

Judging the Entire Educational System by the actions of Individual Policies or Individuals seems a tad Disingenuous to me.

 

[brekec88]

only a few minutes of your life.
http://www.google.com/url?q=http://...sErkug&usg=AFQjCNEhPXFSQ1ztnI6f4Cv2wu8qVbSulw

Sorry but the guy in that video is an idiot and a racist. -1.

 

[brekec88]

Ahh well, I can't please everyone all of the time. I stand by my statement and you may stand by yours. Kids suspended for holding a pop tart shaped like a gun; colleges requiring atheists may be members of Christian groups; speech codes, examples of educational irrationality are rampant. I know the individuals are very dedicated to what they do; I sometimes wonder what they are doing, it doesn't appear to be education.

Thats 4 - 5 examples. How can you group a whole countries educational system together from a couple anecdotal cases...come on be realistic. I agree that our educational system has some major problems but to speak in such broad terms about ANYTHING made up of hundreds of thousands of different people, parts and systems is very a unintelligent assumption. At first I thought you were trying to be sarcastic but you defended the statement like you honestly believed it 100%, or maybe some people just can't admit when they are wrong or go over board on a statement.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

The college's logic is flawed. By their "logic" drinking a beverage from a cup should be banned since they cannot tell what is in the cup.

 

[CMD-Ky]

Z, we agree on too much on here. Surely you know that the statement was a known exaggeration in which some, myself included, could see humor. I thought and think the statement is kind of funny.

Perhaps where we Differ is in the Percentages?

I will Not Disagree that one can Find some Crazy, and at times Baffling, policies implemented in the Educational Systems. But I see them as the Exception. And Not the Rule.

Judging the Entire Educational System by the actions of Individual Policies or Individuals seems a tad Disingenuous to me.

 

[CMD-Ky]

See above.

Thats 4 - 5 examples. How can you group a whole countries educational system together from a couple anecdotal cases...come on be realistic. I agree that our educational system has some major problems but to speak in such broad terms about ANYTHING made up of hundreds of thousands of different people, parts and systems is very a unintelligent assumption. At first I thought you were trying to be sarcastic but you defended the statement like you honestly believed it 100%, or maybe some people just can't admit when they are wrong or go over board on a statement.

 

[brekec88]

The college's logic is flawed. By their "logic" drinking a beverage from a cup should be banned since they cannot tell what is in the cup.

I agree, makes it even more stupid because cigarettes (rolled paper) are way more common in the use of what they are trying to prevent from banning ecigs.

 

[zoiDman]

The college's logic is flawed. By their "logic" drinking a beverage from a cup should be banned since they cannot tell what is in the cup.

I'm not taking the University's position. And I am Not trying to play the Devils Advocate here.

But do we have Any background as to why this Campus sees the Possibilities of Students putting something into an e-Cigarette? And then using it while on Campus.

 

[Strings]

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The American Education system needs to be fixed, in much the same way Rome "fixed" Carthage. There are so many problems in the current system, destroying the entire thing to build something better is about the only way forward
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The college's logic is flawed. By their "logic" drinking a beverage from a cup should be banned since they cannot tell what is in the cup.

I want to know that the college actually HAS such a policy, before I condemn it. Just because an RA and other students say so, don't make it so

 

[caramel]

Why is it the Campus responsibility to check/control your meal / beverage / smoke (beyond meals offered by the Campus itself)? Without probable cause that it was something illegal? (i.e. without any symptoms that would indicate that the student is doing such?)

I can understand checking on those that appear drunk, smell of alcohol or {other stuff} etc. But if the person looks normal, behaves normal, and nothing is astray, why would "Campus" need to look into his Mars bar?

 

[Mogar]

This is banned in MANY colleges.
It is not a simple task to do so, but there are many companies that will extract the oils from the "certain plant" that will not produce any odor and can easily be mixed into a standard juice. For this reason more and more colleges are outlawing ecigs on campus.
This is not a "anti vaping" issue, this is because some people have found ways to introduce chemicals into their bodies, and spoiling it for the rest of the community. Granted someone said "we don't know what's inside those" and indicated its the same with analogs... I find it hard to believe that these people do not realize that there is a very distinct odor with that "certain plant" is burned, even inside an analog (also known as a {other thing}).

 

[Vatigu]

I imagine it would be equally difficult to tell if it's baked into something are cupcakes or brownies banned on campus?

 

[caramel]

Mogar: I guess the smarthat smokers protesting against ecig could have been using that "oil" to "humidify" their tobacco too?

The argument "we don't know" works both ways.

 

[zoiDman]

This is banned in MANY colleges.
It is not a simple task to do so, but there are many companies that will extract the oils from the "certain plant" that will not produce any odor and can easily be mixed into a standard juice. For this reason more and more colleges are outlawing ecigs on campus.
This is not a "anti vaping" issue, this is because some people have found ways to introduce chemicals into their bodies, and spoiling it for the rest of the community. Granted someone said "we don't know what's inside those" and indicated its the same with analogs... I find it hard to believe that these people do not realize that there is a very distinct odor with that "certain plant" is burned, even inside an analog (also known as a blunt).

And Once Again, it is an Example of a Very Few individuals doing something that Screws it Up for All of Us.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

And Once Again, it is an Example of a Very Few individuals doing something that Screws it Up for All of Us.

They do not mess it up for us. The ones in authority do since they are to lazy to prosecute the guilty and leave the innocent alone. Their chins are all beat up from their extreme knee jerk reactions.

 

[Vatigu]

They do not mess it up for us. The ones in authority do since they are to lazy to prosecute the guilty and leave the innocent alone. Their chins are all beat up from their extreme knee jerk reactions.

If this is actually a campus policy
I'd be willing to bet they thought it might be a thing and decided to ban... I seriously doubt they've got any substantive evidence that this has ever happened on their campus...

 

[caramel]

And Once Again, it is an Example of a Very Few individuals doing something that Screws it Up for All of Us.

It is an example of Inadequate Measures. Nuking the city to get rid of rats. Proponents claim 99.9999% success rate. Impressive, eh?

 

[zoiDman]

It is an example of Inadequate Measures. Nuking the city to get rid of rats. Proponents claim 99.9999% success rate. Impressive, eh?

Just Curious.

If you do Not Want people using "What we Can Not Discuss Here" on your Campus, and have had Multiple Instances of Students using "What we Can Not Discuss Here" in e-Cigarettes, How would You handle the Situation?

Once Again. I'm Not taking the University's side. Just wanting to see what Your approach to Public Policy would be?

 

[caramel]

How did you determine that you have "Multiple Instances of Students using"?

If you were able to determine that, then you would be able to home in exactly onto them.

 

[brekec88]

And Once Again, it is an Example of a Very Few individuals doing something that Screws it Up for All of Us.

I agree with you a 100% but it should not be like this. It is extremely stupid and flawed logic. I can kill someone with a bag full of soap, or a rubber band or a car. You can smoke ANYTHING out of an apple, popcan or a paper towel roll. Should we ban these things as well? Not to be all dramatic but I think what Thomas Jefferson said goes with this kind of thinking perfectly..."those who would give up freedom for security deserve neither". It's a short slippery road to this nanny state we are becoming. It's all about PERSONAL responsibility. If some one is doing something illegal with a vaporizer (or any device for that matter) on campus or in public have them arrested. Simple as that. To blanket ban anything because someone was misusing it isn't even realistic because you can literally misuse EVERYTHING. People need to think some times (not directed at anyone here I'm just speaking of people in this country in broad terms).