SnusX Bucket - bulk snus, add your own flavours (formerly 'Make your own snus')
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I was then I wasn't, had to snooze (get it ?)
Still no SnusX bucket los sterk on the horizon.
Wonder if V2 pasteurise before or after adding salt & carbonate,
and if before, then whether they'd sell a saltless dry snus powder,
getting fed up with the salty taste in Thunder Frosted.
Still no SnusX bucket los sterk on the horizon.
Wonder if V2 pasteurise before or after adding salt & carbonate,
and if before, then whether they'd sell a saltless dry snus powder,
getting fed up with the salty taste in Thunder Frosted.
Strange, I really can't say I detect any salt in Thunder, although I haven't tried any loose Thunder. Do you pick it up in the portions?
I dont get the salt in Thunder either.
From the article that was referred to, I doubt they would tell you exo.
Seems all parts of the process is very well guarded.
As far as buying any at that stage, all you can do is ask.
I guess my question here is at the point of nothing added it should be ground tobacco.
Pasteurization is simply heat treated sterilization. Easy to do.
All this new info with snus, storage has me thinking. I need the MAOI's, period.
Snus does so well with this, especially for my morning kickoff and a couple portions thru the day. Add nic from snuff or a vape and I'm good to go.
Snuff is easy to make from dried tobacco, easily flavored and keeps forever if sealed.
Well dried leaves, vacuum sealed and nuked I would think make for easy long term storage.
Rustica for now seems closest so far to meeting the requirements.
Has me thinking hard using it for snus and just filling my own PTB portions.
Thoughts? Please...................
From the article that was referred to, I doubt they would tell you exo.
Seems all parts of the process is very well guarded.
As far as buying any at that stage, all you can do is ask.
I guess my question here is at the point of nothing added it should be ground tobacco.
Pasteurization is simply heat treated sterilization. Easy to do.
All this new info with snus, storage has me thinking. I need the MAOI's, period.
Snus does so well with this, especially for my morning kickoff and a couple portions thru the day. Add nic from snuff or a vape and I'm good to go.
Snuff is easy to make from dried tobacco, easily flavored and keeps forever if sealed.
Well dried leaves, vacuum sealed and nuked I would think make for easy long term storage.
Rustica for now seems closest so far to meeting the requirements.
Has me thinking hard using it for snus and just filling my own PTB portions.
Thoughts? Please...................
Maybe it's the way I use them that gives be a 'salt blast' at the start,
tending to put loose TF in those d7.se snus pouches,
and then wet it quite a bit with whatever I'm drinking to make it easier
to pop it in.
TV you're right, now I think of it, when popping a mini-pris of los,
that salt taste is much muted.
Guess it's a question of usage then.
Getting some air cured rustica from ToqueSnuff.com Vaporer, so you're right,
keep a dry ground stock & wet it up to requirements in smallish amounts seems a good idea.
What's PTB ?
(acronymfinder suggests Powers That Be, Pass The Buck or
Pounds Per Barrel
)
tending to put loose TF in those d7.se snus pouches,
and then wet it quite a bit with whatever I'm drinking to make it easier
to pop it in.
TV you're right, now I think of it, when popping a mini-pris of los,
that salt taste is much muted.
Guess it's a question of usage then.
Getting some air cured rustica from ToqueSnuff.com Vaporer, so you're right,
keep a dry ground stock & wet it up to requirements in smallish amounts seems a good idea.
What's PTB ?
(acronymfinder suggests Powers That Be, Pass The Buck or
Pounds Per Barrel
)
Went ahead and did the impressions of Make Your Own Snus video for YouTube today. I rather like some of the flavors I've created, hate others. I'll definitely experiment more on delivering medicines at the same time I get my nicotine.
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exo, I have 3oz of rustica leaves and 50gm of Espresso coming from Toque.
Been abt 9-10 days so far. Expecting it anytime.
PTB is the Lipton Pyramid Tea bags. They are not the paper type.
Rather a synthetic of manmade material that makes an excellent cart filler.
Doesnt melt like poly or Fluval. Rinses clean easily.
Seems with the right heat one could make their own reuseable portion pouches in any shape or size they wanted. Leave one end open for filling and simply fold it over.
I think Stubby has made some portions and he just uses the fold over and "don't play with it" method. Whatever works!
Another project for the burner......sigh......
I'm mainly looking at long term now if prices get so outragous and as rural as I live, we have nothing in a reasonable driving distance. Maybe 50mi 1 way! I do have 12acres though.
TB, another excellent vid. I've been trying to find out if the buckets need to be kept cool before they are opened? Afterwards and when moisture has set in, I'm sure they do.
My info quest right now are concerns with TSNA rises in the product if stored long term.
Your vid mentions fermented but not pasteurized. V2 hasn't answered my 3rd email.
They may be getting tired of me..lol
I can vacuum seal 20 portions per bag, nuke it for long term storage and open when I need to. If the portions are very low in moisture in the bucket, microwaving may not have enough water present to create enough heat to sterilize.
If that were the case, working from sealed dried tobacco would be easier it seems.
Been abt 9-10 days so far. Expecting it anytime.
PTB is the Lipton Pyramid Tea bags. They are not the paper type.
Rather a synthetic of manmade material that makes an excellent cart filler.
Doesnt melt like poly or Fluval. Rinses clean easily.
Seems with the right heat one could make their own reuseable portion pouches in any shape or size they wanted. Leave one end open for filling and simply fold it over.
I think Stubby has made some portions and he just uses the fold over and "don't play with it" method. Whatever works!
Another project for the burner......sigh......
I'm mainly looking at long term now if prices get so outragous and as rural as I live, we have nothing in a reasonable driving distance. Maybe 50mi 1 way! I do have 12acres though.
TB, another excellent vid. I've been trying to find out if the buckets need to be kept cool before they are opened? Afterwards and when moisture has set in, I'm sure they do.
My info quest right now are concerns with TSNA rises in the product if stored long term.
Your vid mentions fermented but not pasteurized. V2 hasn't answered my 3rd email.
They may be getting tired of me..lol
I can vacuum seal 20 portions per bag, nuke it for long term storage and open when I need to. If the portions are very low in moisture in the bucket, microwaving may not have enough water present to create enough heat to sterilize.
If that were the case, working from sealed dried tobacco would be easier it seems.
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A1 vid as usual TB, covered it all very nicely,
wonder if any of the SnusX flavours are as good as your rum flavour.
Don't let the dog get hold of your bucket, or you'll end up buying for two snus users.
Bit concerned about the fermented vs pasteurised quote, just a minor detail though really.
Keep us posted on how they do over the coming weeks.
Vaporer, just thought I don't know if the toquesnuff.com rustica leaves are dry,
or have significant moisture.
Thought this reply to my query from toquesnuff was worth repeating here:
So might try a 'real' make your own snus, without salt, probably have to add some carbonate though.
Or maybe a home-version of DVap's WTA e-juice (not concentrating the alkaloids though).
Re-usable snus paper sounds a bit messy, is it that expensive ?
wonder if any of the SnusX flavours are as good as your rum flavour.
Don't let the dog get hold of your bucket, or you'll end up buying for two snus users.
Bit concerned about the fermented vs pasteurised quote, just a minor detail though really.
Keep us posted on how they do over the coming weeks.
Vaporer, just thought I don't know if the toquesnuff.com rustica leaves are dry,
or have significant moisture.
Thought this reply to my query from toquesnuff was worth repeating here:
So might try a 'real' make your own snus, without salt, probably have to add some carbonate though.
Or maybe a home-version of DVap's WTA e-juice (not concentrating the alkaloids though).
Re-usable snus paper sounds a bit messy, is it that expensive ?
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TB, Thanks so much for doing that video. I've watched it twice now and I'm very close to buying a bucket.
Looks like it's in stock at the US Warehouse, so in a few days I could have it and give it a try.
Thanks again, good job on the video.
Looks like it's in stock at the US Warehouse, so in a few days I could have it and give it a try.
Thanks again, good job on the video.
exo,
I just got my Toque order!
The leaves are not nearly as dry as I'd expected.
They came double bagged, size is 6"(152mm) long, 4"(100mm) wide and 1"(25mm) thick.
Very tightly packed, very hard to dent!. A 1/4"(7mm) thick piece bends 60* very easy with no cracking or breaking. All "through the bag" observations.
I like the fine dry toast type snuffs and the moisture content I am seeing, I could not nearly get that fine of a grind. A coarser grind for snus seems likely as is.
Its a beautiful brown color and has very little stem material from what is visible.
From my readings, I've seen where some tobacco hangs for up to 5 yrs curing. This indicates to me moisture present and some decomosition/fermenting is going on since the flavor changes with age.
I'm sure that 8mm strip is coming out for drying and pulverizing. lol
In the mean time I'll need to do some reading on how I wan to prceed with the rest/
The rustica I got from DG(dgreigo), she had ground some and some is still leaf. All of ot was considerably dryer than this. It has made wonderful snuff.
The PTB is not paper. I dont care for los and it would be worth it to me if needed to make rinseable portion bags. I have never seen this material for sale anywhere and as dry as used portions get from being left out over night, the contents should fla out easily and a quick rinse and let dry for reuse.
I just see this Pact Act having tough impacts on my even procuring, so if I can grow and make..I would just like to know how and be prepared.
I just got my Toque order!
The leaves are not nearly as dry as I'd expected.
They came double bagged, size is 6"(152mm) long, 4"(100mm) wide and 1"(25mm) thick.
Very tightly packed, very hard to dent!. A 1/4"(7mm) thick piece bends 60* very easy with no cracking or breaking. All "through the bag" observations.
I like the fine dry toast type snuffs and the moisture content I am seeing, I could not nearly get that fine of a grind. A coarser grind for snus seems likely as is.
Its a beautiful brown color and has very little stem material from what is visible.
From my readings, I've seen where some tobacco hangs for up to 5 yrs curing. This indicates to me moisture present and some decomosition/fermenting is going on since the flavor changes with age.
I'm sure that 8mm strip is coming out for drying and pulverizing. lol
In the mean time I'll need to do some reading on how I wan to prceed with the rest/
The rustica I got from DG(dgreigo), she had ground some and some is still leaf. All of ot was considerably dryer than this. It has made wonderful snuff.
The PTB is not paper. I dont care for los and it would be worth it to me if needed to make rinseable portion bags. I have never seen this material for sale anywhere and as dry as used portions get from being left out over night, the contents should fla out easily and a quick rinse and let dry for reuse.
I just see this Pact Act having tough impacts on my even procuring, so if I can grow and make..I would just like to know how and be prepared.
TB, another hit. I was already feeling good about the SnusX bucket I have in my Northerner SackPactAct cart, so your video put the icing on my cake. I'm excited .
I'm thinking the same V. What little info I've seen on the purified snus says it's essentially snuff. The finer the grind, the quicker the absorption as I see it. I think Rustica would be the best for a potent DIY.
.I'm thinking the same V. What little info I've seen on the purified snus says it's essentially snuff. The finer the grind, the quicker the absorption as I see it. I think Rustica would be the best for a potent DIY.
TB, another hit. I was already feeling good about the SnusX bucket I have in my Northerner SackPactAct cart, so your video put the icing on my cake. I'm excited
TV and TB, Yes, same here, TV.
I even went back and watched the video for a 3rd time
...got my can of Ettan back to retry last night. I gave it away and it's not bad, just not much flavor. So TB, that was a good reference point for me that you mentioned that in the video...I feel better that I can do something with a bucket of unflavored.I see the single buckets, (without flavor combo & more expensive) comes from the US warehouse now. I could be wrong, but I don't think they did a few weeks back. I'd rather go that way (from US warehouse, since they look like a big size to be shipping) and pay a little more for some of the flavors AND get my mocca snus in the same order.
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Good news Vaporer, glad you got your rustica.
When I get mine I'll measure just how much moisture there is (weigh a bit, dry, reweigh).
Does the price you paid seem cheap or expensive c.f. growing your own & all the hassle ?
I paid effectively $13 for 100g (that's £8 in real money), free shipping.
How are you grinding it, you're saying the higher the moisture the harder it is to grind it fine,
easy to dry it further I guess.
The thing for me about this is it's air rather than flue cured,
could've asked toque how long it hangs I guess - main thing is it's low in TSNAs
(at least they say so, as in above post).
TV I think the purified snus still have a lot of stuff mixed in,
baking soda, sweeteners, cellulose fillers, glycerol, but no salt though
Has TB done a snuff video yet ?
actually thinking about it, that might not be quite as appealing.
When I get mine I'll measure just how much moisture there is (weigh a bit, dry, reweigh).
Does the price you paid seem cheap or expensive c.f. growing your own & all the hassle ?
I paid effectively $13 for 100g (that's £8 in real money), free shipping.
How are you grinding it, you're saying the higher the moisture the harder it is to grind it fine,
easy to dry it further I guess.
The thing for me about this is it's air rather than flue cured,
could've asked toque how long it hangs I guess - main thing is it's low in TSNAs
(at least they say so, as in above post).
TV I think the purified snus still have a lot of stuff mixed in,
baking soda, sweeteners, cellulose fillers, glycerol, but no salt though
Has TB done a snuff video yet ?
actually thinking about it, that might not be quite as appealing.
TV, yea, the rustica has the highest natural nic content and I dont plan on adding tobacco juice. I've snuffed it straight for a while now and no problems other than a firm nic and a flavor I like. Wait, that's not a problem! Much more nic than Dreds RYO BS1 from virginia blend. He followed the flavor type recommendations I had posted earlier so I see all as well. BS1 has a nice flavor and he's following a sound method. Decisions on whick type of flavor will be for either taste or aroma possibly both.
I'm actually leaning harder towards just using leaf. The buckets are fermented and I was looking for long term storage right off the bat. Thats why I would buy a large amount. If I cant assure TSNA not increasing over a yr, I'll probably pass the bucket for just trying my own. Someone using fairly regularly and right away buckets could be a big cost saver.
exo, I have a digital grams scale I use for my micro models. I can weigh a small cutoff portion today, dry it and reweigh. No problem. I'm gonna oven dry at abt 180*F. A coffee, spice or pepper grinder works well but if a fine toast is wanted a mortal and pestle is the way to go. I prefer the toasts for snuff and the coarser grind should be fine for snus.
On the cost vs hassle.......can't say yet since this is my 1st tobacco year. I'm looking for a cheap source to avoid the ordering hassles, costs and such. I have plenty of grow room, I planned to sun/air cure as the sun adds a blond color. It can lower the nic slightly and add a more mellow flavor too. So, there are options to explore. This is just a big experiment. Nothing finalized in stone yet fot sure.
We have other sources for leaf of diff strains too. Just when this stupid PACT Act goes into effect our costs and availability will change drastically.
I'm stocked well now and can easily get by till the plants are done, if I succeed. Seems prudent to get my preferred methods proven, established and hurdles out of the way before the last minute.
sunset, I'm glad someone caught that US bucket shipping. I was going for a Swedish only order and was going to include one. That kinda hosed that. I dont want to get caught in the dual shipping trap. I think it just started last week.
I'm actually leaning harder towards just using leaf. The buckets are fermented and I was looking for long term storage right off the bat. Thats why I would buy a large amount. If I cant assure TSNA not increasing over a yr, I'll probably pass the bucket for just trying my own. Someone using fairly regularly and right away buckets could be a big cost saver.
exo, I have a digital grams scale I use for my micro models. I can weigh a small cutoff portion today, dry it and reweigh. No problem. I'm gonna oven dry at abt 180*F. A coffee, spice or pepper grinder works well but if a fine toast is wanted a mortal and pestle is the way to go. I prefer the toasts for snuff and the coarser grind should be fine for snus.
On the cost vs hassle.......can't say yet since this is my 1st tobacco year. I'm looking for a cheap source to avoid the ordering hassles, costs and such. I have plenty of grow room, I planned to sun/air cure as the sun adds a blond color. It can lower the nic slightly and add a more mellow flavor too. So, there are options to explore. This is just a big experiment. Nothing finalized in stone yet fot sure.
We have other sources for leaf of diff strains too. Just when this stupid PACT Act goes into effect our costs and availability will change drastically.
I'm stocked well now and can easily get by till the plants are done, if I succeed. Seems prudent to get my preferred methods proven, established and hurdles out of the way before the last minute.
sunset, I'm glad someone caught that US bucket shipping. I was going for a Swedish only order and was going to include one. That kinda hosed that. I dont want to get caught in the dual shipping trap. I think it just started last week.
Vaporer, Well, I'm upset...I didn't know the buckets were fermented. How did I miss that, guess I assumed they were from Denmark or something and would be pasteurized.
WDYT about freezing and the effect on TSNA growth? I wouldn't be using right away...hmm, think I'm going to try and cancel my Northerner order if I can.
Surely the SnusX bucket is same as other Swedish snus, i.e. pasteurised.
Vaporer, when you snorted straight rustica snuff, did you use a lot less than usual ?
Vaporer, when you snorted straight rustica snuff, did you use a lot less than usual ?
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sunset, Thats part of all the questions I've been looking into. V2 has quit answering my emails ....lol
I had more questions as I found out things ....more than their patience with me I guess.
Fermented isnt a death sentence for it. Fermenting for flavor is a normal process. It can raise the TSNA's though. They can then reduce them. Depending on moisture content, if it was pasteurized, can it be stored without opening are all good questions I think.
Its my understanding that even frozen some fermentation can occur from lon term storage if the moisture content is high enough.
One could vacuum seal 20 portions per bag, toss them in pressure cooker and kill any action for long term. More than I want to do right off and may not be needed if they'd answer a few questions.
If you cant cancel the order, I'll buy some off you just to do some flavoring trials and tests. Let me know.
exo, yes, when I snuff pure rustica, even with menthol, I get a nice nic hit and dont use mearly of it what I would of 90% of my other snuffs. A few I have carry a big nic hit.
I had more questions as I found out things ....more than their patience with me I guess.
Fermented isnt a death sentence for it. Fermenting for flavor is a normal process. It can raise the TSNA's though. They can then reduce them. Depending on moisture content, if it was pasteurized, can it be stored without opening are all good questions I think.
Its my understanding that even frozen some fermentation can occur from lon term storage if the moisture content is high enough.
One could vacuum seal 20 portions per bag, toss them in pressure cooker and kill any action for long term. More than I want to do right off and may not be needed if they'd answer a few questions.
If you cant cancel the order, I'll buy some off you just to do some flavoring trials and tests. Let me know.
exo, yes, when I snuff pure rustica, even with menthol, I get a nice nic hit and dont use mearly of it what I would of 90% of my other snuffs. A few I have carry a big nic hit.
Thanks Vaporer, I wrote V2 also, and Northerner to either hold/cancel my US
Warehouse order until I found out...unless Northerner knew. It's only been a few hours and I haven't heard back.
I have tried to avoid anything fermented, so I sure don't want the 4 buckets.
That was the last of my Pact Act snus buying/stock-up. I was going to be set wasn't I and had that freezer shelf full.
Just seems so strange to find out it might be fermented when I look at their other products they manufacture like : Thunder, Off Road, Phantom, Nordströmmen.
I'll let you know if/when I hear anything.
PS If it turns out everything is Okay and it arrives, I'll glad send you some for experimenting
with - I think I'll have enough.
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