SnusX Bucket - bulk snus, add your own flavours (formerly 'Make your own snus')

[Vaporer]

exo, nothing says you have to agree with me. A good debate among friends can be a good thing.
I think the Swedish process after fermentation reduces the TSNA's. It's just most things read abt processed tobacco includes fermenting and how its done give tobacco it unique flavor. Each company has its own secrets.
Since all Swedish snus doesnt taste the same I dont see just flavoring being all the cause.

If you had read my post in the other thread I made the comment that I appear to be highly nic tollerant. I can vape 12 mg or 36mg and dont crave more form the 12mg. Same with snus, I like a good strong Thinder in the morning and the rest of the day anything works pretty well. Snuff, strong or weak.I'm ok, but I do like stronger better.
Then toss me a Stonewall Java anytime and its instant nicups from 4mg......go figure.
What I dont get is the MAOI's and the stronger the nic the MAOI's seem to follow.
So....I do lean that way with tobacco, not eliquid.

The glycol factor..due to the time I leave a portion in, usually 2hr min, I dont see the diff using PG with snus or snuff. With eliquid the exposure time and quantity is much less.
Maybe MAOI's get in faster than nicotine. Cant say. Just know its working for me and has for some time and it is consistant. This I can live with.

Toque, I'm not the big fan of them, especially for flavors I never taste. Espresso I like and I cant say why. I enjoy it though and it is satisfying. If you want nic from Toque, go with Quit or SP. I read they are the same with diff labels but that makes no sense at all.
They are higher nic/MAOI though.

If the right dryness, a blade grinder works fine for me. I do like the super fine Honey Bee consistancy and I need a good mortal and pestle to reach that. I sift mine too. You'll never get it all with a blade grinder and you need a minimum amount to get it going well. Very small amounts dont do well in a blade unit.

 

[TropicalBob]

I just know it stinks, as tobacco in fermentation does. Indeed, the entire curing process most tobaccos go through is to eliminate the stench of tobacco.

But I read Wikipedia's take and it is contradicted by other articles. I don't give a damn, but wish it didn't take two weeks to air out the stink.

 

[Vaporer]

I was surprized at the snuff being listed as fermented. Most snuffs I use are a normal tobacco cured color. Air or sun, tan to brown. Some of the German snuffs I've tried are nearly black which, to me, indicates fermentation. None smell bad.

I looked up many net articles on making snuff and none I found went beyond air drying and sun drying for a more blond finish. The drying process , depending on how fast its forced, may be or have some fermentation in it. Slow vs fast.

Snus like any commercial tobacco product is all secrets on their processes. Homemade snus from leaf usually says to take dried tobacco grind it to consistancy, flavor it, let it sit for a few days cooled and its ready. Other than the grind and portion cover, not much diff than nasal snuff.

V2's SnusX is said by them to just need flavoring. Thats it. I havent gotten the bucket or portions from TV yet, but none of the V2 products I've tried are any where near the odor described. I associate a foul odor to fermentation(rotting) and would prefer it not to be there so if it does later I know its bad.
I'm just upset with V2 and Northeners no response to storage issue questions before and after opening. A 2 year best used date means nothing to me if conditions arent set or described. I dont want to make 400+ at a time and then have to use them as fast as I can to be safe. Most likely that will be all the same flavor and using 4 portions a day I'm forced to use the same flavor for 3 1/2 months regularly.

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Speaking of which, UPS tracking shows it'll be out for delivery today...yay......

 

[asidrave]

if anyone ever wants a second opinion on snus they have made....send me some

ill give an honest opinion

 

[Bagazo]

Hey Vaporer, I think you left out the pasteurization part.

From what I have seen on the homeade recipes it involves heating from 60º to 90º C for anywhere from 24 hrs to a week and then storing cool for a few days before using.

 

[Caesarea]

Just ordered a snus bucket & coffee flavouring. Gonna put it in the potting shed till it has stopped stinking! Just hope the coffee flavour is good!



C.

 

[TropicalBob]

The stink does diminish -- and the snus tastes fine. The strength is good.

Yesterday's experiments were really enlightening. I used four mouth products -- Cepacol, Crest Whitening rinse, hydrogen peroxide straight, and a prescription mouthwash given post-oral surgery.

I placed the completely saturated portions on a paper towel and put them in the refrigerator. Lo and behold, they dried out, leaving only the flavor in an almost-dry pouch. And that was perfect for me. If it's too wet, I find that distasteful. So this was an ideal foursome.

All tasted good (I liked the Crest best). All should be GOOD for oral health.

It wasn't alcohol that evaporated here. I'm not sure why all the ingredients I read on the bottles disappeared as they did. But I'll do this again and again.

Failures? Creme de Cacao left sticky snus. Coffee never dried and tasted pretty dreadful.

I'm thinking Lavoris next time ...

 

[Caesarea]

The stink does diminish -- and the snus tastes fine. The strength is good.

Yesterday's experiments were really enlightening. I used four mouth products -- Cepacol, Crest Whitening rinse, hydrogen peroxide straight, and a prescription mouthwash given post-oral surgery.

I placed the completely saturated portions on a paper towel and put them in the refrigerator. Lo and behold, they dried out, leaving only the flavor in an almost-dry pouch. And that was perfect for me. If it's too wet, I find that distasteful. So this was an ideal foursome.

All tasted good (I liked the Crest best). All should be GOOD for oral health.

It wasn't alcohol that evaporated here. I'm not sure why all the ingredients I read on the bottles disappeared as they did. But I'll do this again and again.

Failures? Creme de Cacao left sticky snus. Coffee never dried and tasted pretty dreadful.

I'm thinking Lavoris next time ...

The Crest is a nifty idea - I may well give it a try!
Was it the SnusX coffee flavour that never dried, Bob?

C.

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Use snus for a pearly white smile and fresh breath .

Brought to you by V2, the makers of SnusX.

 

[sunset]

The stink does diminish -- and the snus tastes fine. The strength is good.

Yesterday's experiments were really enlightening. I used four mouth products -- Cepacol, Crest Whitening rinse, hydrogen peroxide straight, and a prescription mouthwash given post-oral surgery.

I placed the completely saturated portions on a paper towel and put them in the refrigerator. Lo and behold, they dried out, leaving only the flavor in an almost-dry pouch. And that was perfect for me. If it's too wet, I find that distasteful. So this was an ideal foursome.

All tasted good (I liked the Crest best). All should be GOOD for oral health.

It wasn't alcohol that evaporated here. I'm not sure why all the ingredients I read on the bottles disappeared as they did. But I'll do this again and again.

Failures? Creme de Cacao left sticky snus. Coffee never dried and tasted pretty dreadful.

I'm thinking Lavoris next time ...

Hi TB, Well, that is interesting. Now that you've opened the door on Oral Health I'm thinking I'd like to try Liquid Vitamin C or Liquid Ester C, just not sure I'd like a snus that taste like Crest. And I may not like Ester C either.

I just had a dental appointment today and I think the snus is starting to bother my gums and I am seeing a change, so that's why I'm thinking of trying this. Before snus I'd brush with powered Vit. C (and still do)...great for plaque and the gums. Since it comes in liquid form that may be a taste I can tolerate (or not) and be good in Oral Health as you say.

Thanks for sharing what you found out. I might give this a shot and see how this works out, too. Hope it does because I'd feel real comfortable swallowing Vit. C, plus what it can do for gums and teeth. Then again it might not work too well. Guess that's what experimenting is all about.

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Yippy...UPS tracking shows my Northerner ordered DELIVERED @ 6:19pm .

 

[sunset]

Yippy...UPS tracking shows my Northerner ordered DELIVERED @ 6:19pm .

Recipes! I got mine yesterday, but I haven't open it yet. That will be over the weekend. But, it was super quick from Pa. whse. - 2 days.

Hey, Vaporer - check your mailbox.

 

[Vaporer]

Hey Vaporer, I think you left out the pasteurization part.

From what I have seen on the homeade recipes it involves heating from 60º to 90º C for anywhere from 24 hrs to a week and then storing cool for a few days before using.

Actually, that post did look that way, but if you read the previous page or 2 you would have seen my leaf drying at 170-180*F for 8hrs test. Right in the 60-90*C you mention.
The time actually depends on the amount and thickness. It has to be left in till the "core" reaches that temp and kept there for a bit. The sample I did in the test was no diff at 4 hrs than 8hrs.

That post was more of a conversation than a defined step by step recipie.
Good eye though.

 

[Bagazo]

Vaporer, I did see the drying step but just didn't see it as pasteurization. To me it seems very similar to flue curing:

Curing of tobacco - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Flue-cured tobacco was originally strung onto tobacco sticks, which were hung from tier-poles in curing barns (Aus: kilns, also traditionally called oasts). These barns have flues which run from externally fed fire boxes, heat-curing the tobacco without exposing it to smoke..."

They probably don't reach the temps that you did and doing it this way before fermentation happens should make a difference in the TSNA levels. Kinda like dry pasteurizing.

Also I would like to say that it has been my experience that the word fermentation is often used incorrectly to describe any type of smell and flavor process.

For example I have heard people say you could take an herb or fruit and add it to vodka and let it "ferment for a month". Nothing is going to ferment in 40% vodka but there will be change in smell and flavor beyond that originally brought into the mix by each part individually.

Kinda like aging wine. The wine is done fermenting but the compounds in the wine seem to interact and change with time.

So after pasteurization snus may be kept at a certain temperature for a certain amount of time to get a certain smell and flavor. Liked by some, hated by others and considered an acquired taste by others still but brought about without the use of yeast or bacteria. So not really fermented but still called that.

EDITED - for clearity

 

[TropicalBob]

Sunset, let us know how the liquid Vitamin C works out. I did one test mentioned in the YouTube video where I soaked a portion with 15 drops of sublingual Vitamin B complex. The B group is the easily vitamin to do sublingually, and the snus tasted exactly as if I dropped the liquid under my tongue.

I got a day's requirement of the B vitamins -- and 8mg of nicotine!

 

[The Wiz]

Sunset, let us know how the liquid Vitamin C works out. I did one test mentioned in the YouTube video where I soaked a portion with 15 drops of sublingual Vitamin B complex. The B group is the easily vitamin to do sublingually, and the snus tasted exactly as if I dropped the liquid under my tongue.

I got a day's requirement of the B vitamins -- and 8mg of nicotine!

I'd call that a "Twofer" TB....LOL!!

The Wiz!

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Opened up the SnusX this morning prepared to slam the lid closed before Momma got a hold of the bucket or me. Surprisingly, the odor was low and not bad. Can't describe it, really. Not a pleasant smell, but not bad either. Just benign I 'spose. TB, yours musta been hot off the presses. Anyway, portion sizes (length of pouch) varied between regular size portions and the bit longer ones like V2 uses for Thunder Berry Blend (Frosted are standard for some reason, don't know why they're different). Maybe just loose adjustment on the packaging feed arm, then again, V2 isn't known for extreme consistancy. Amount of 'baccy in portions varied also. Most were normal, but a fair amount looked to range from almost enough to just about half what they should have been. As I said though, most were good. No taste test, yet. Too much nic deficit in the morning to know, so I gotta stick with Thunder, Oden ES and such till later on tonight. Overall though, I think this is gonna work out nicely for my 8mg fixes and hopefully will replace purchases those kinds. With the passage of PactAct, cheaper the better. I'll get back to this after a fair taste test on the unflavored ones. Dry enough, they should do very well with the right flavors. Thanks for breaking the ice for me TB .

 

[Dredbull]

Debating a bucket or 2 and some flavorings.

 

[Skrymr]

Debating a bucket or 2 and some flavorings.

Yup, me too. They have a grov flavor that looks interesting.