SnusX Bucket - bulk snus, add your own flavours (formerly 'Make your own snus')

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Good find TV, that puts the relative amounts in perspective,
it's one helluvalotof salt : 21% of final dry weight!,
and much more carbonate than I would have dreamed of (6% of dry wt).

You'd get about 10% of your recommended daily intake (6g for men) with 5 wet 1 gram snus per day,
although apparently we already generally just about double our rdi for sodium (UK),
I certainly do, too many crisps (= chips to you :p).

And the glycerol seems excessive too, depending on what a 'bottle' is,
it's just being used as a humidity/wetness stabiliser, isn't it ?

Wonder if saltless, glycerol-less snus would be so different that they'd seem 'wrong',
also wonder if typical dry snus have all this, but are then dried (you can't 'dry' glycerol though)
presumably the dry 'snus powder' mentioned is a simpler material than what's in commercial dry snus.




Interesting that you find the oomph dry snus faster acting TB, can't work out whether I agree.

I do use dry Oomph 6 mg & Energy 6 mg snus as well as TF wet ones, TF mini (8 mg) seem quicker to me,
all contain only about 0.25 dry g, but that does put all of them in the 'strong' category compared
to the 8mg for 1 g wet (0.5 g dry) of standard snus.

Maybe I include the 'wetting' time in the mouth as part of the acting-time for Oomph.
Still feel glycerol slows it down somewhat, perhaps it's the lack (or reduced amount) of that in dry Oomph
that causes them to be faster (once wetted with saliva).

Glad to hear that adding the flavouring make them smell acceptable, I too can't stand that 'wet plain snus' stink.
 

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I donno :confused:....here's from Northerner's site:

Additives

When making Swedish by the main ingredients except for tobacco are water, salt (table salt) and sodium carbonate. Flavour additives and humectants are also used. Salt is added mainly for its effect on taste but also has a preservative action which contributes to improved shelf life of the products. Sodium carbonate is used to give the products their characteristic flavour profile but also brings the pH value to the slightly alkaline side. Sodium carbonate will convert to baking soda immediately after it is added. Flavour additives in general are natural or artificial flavour compounds that comply with food regulations. Flavours are usally dissolved in alcohol when added. Most of the alcohol evaporates during production. Only trace quantities remain. Humectants are added to protect the products from drying out. We use two types: glycerol and propylene glycol. Both of them also have a preservative effect since they lower the water activity of the product, thus preventing micro-organisms from growing.




And this too:




Processing

Manufacturing of Snus is a batch operation. The whole process is computer controlled and can be run day and night, all week around. To start the process, tobacco flour is automatically weighed and fed into the process blender. Water and salt is added to the batch under stirring. The batch is then heated and kept heated up for a specified time, which varies with brands. Temperature and stirring is controlled by a process computer program. This part of the process is traditionally named "sweating" but is more close to a pasteurisation process. After pasteurisation the Snus batch is cooled down and the rest of the ingredients are added. Samples are taken for quality control. If approved, the batch is cleared for packing.


I donno.....although, I'm sure a small amount of salt to bring out the flavor would be ok. Just would need to make small batches 'til it comes out right I 'spose :).
 

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I don't know that too :confused:. I sure would be willing to try my hand at the Thunder grade 'baccy.
The purified snus is said to be ground so fine as to be on par with nasal snuff. I haven't opened a portion, but it appears to be just that. A really fine powder that soaks up liquids fast. I imagine that's why it releases its nic so fast.
 

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I've opened them and it's true that they're like talcom powder sometimes. Even finer than some of the moist, coarse nasal snuff I like.

I'm surely not the only one who has commented on the Wine&Dine at snuson.com. It's a common notation. The stuff has the fastest kick I've encountered in snus. Maybe 10 minutes and it feels like a mule hit you. No other Oomph product produces that impact. Only Wine&Dine. I've used all the other Oomph products (really disliked the Energy one).

Good to read what they use and why. I've emailed back and forth with Dr. Laugesen about how safe our liquids are, my hunch being VERY safe because of the PG, alcohol and nicotine. He said the PG and alcohol made it safe, but the nic didn't really kill germs to any extent. Now we know PG and VG are safety features with snus, too.
 

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Gotta say I'm OK with the EnergySnus taste wise, but wouldn't want to have to use them only.

And the effect is good too, nic. + caffeine,
since I don't use any other caffeine source they seem quite potent to me.


So it seems the Wine & Dine 'dry' snus do have glycerol, as a softener,
presumably a lot less than wet snus though.

Contents: Absolutely Purified Tobacco
Sweetners: Maltitol E966 Xylitol E967 AcesulfamK E951
Fillers: Avicel, Vegetable Fibers E460
Softener: Glycerol E422
PH Regulating Agent: Baking Soda E500


Love the buy-snus.org.uk strength description:
High And Fast Absorption Of Nicotine
gotta get some now !.

Still not sure what 'Purified' means exactly, guess it's just the brown juice removal ?,
and why are fillers required at all ?
 
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Still not sure what 'Purified' means exactly, guess it's just the brown juice removal ?,
and why are fillers required at all ?

Yeah, me too. Northerner has this:

Wise portion snus contains nicotine but is purified from undesirable constituents in the finnished product. Among these are nitrosamines that can cause cancer. This is why Wise snus can be called a purified snus.

Wise / Oomph Snus - The Intelligent Brand,

Not really much of an explanation.......I do like it, though :).
 

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"contains nicotine but is purified from undesirable constituents"
presumably means
"undesirables are reduced" rather then "nicotine is purified away from undesirables",
since even white 'purified' snus have the brown liqour when wetted.

Wonder if they mean just by use of selected quality tobacco or an actual chemical process.


Notice that Northerner have upped the selling on the SnusX buckets,
now have two pages of 'bucket + bottle of flavour' variants,
but no loose-snus bucket as yet.
 

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Notice that Northerner have upped the selling on the SnusX buckets,
now have two pages of 'bucket + bottle of flavour' variants,
but no loose-snus bucket as yet.

I was checkin' that out this morning. Looks like the ones with flavoring cost hardly more, but they include 1 8ml bottle and the instructions say to add 8-16ml for a whole bucket. And by what TB is experiencing, it may take 1 liter to kill the smell. I donno....I'm really interested, but I'd like to see 'em offer some higher nic portions. Loose is ok, but if they come out with a high nic portion bucket at the same price you can count me in :). ....What's Rapp? And what do you suppose they mean by "smoke"....barbecue...woody...stale cigarette.....
 

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Hi TB, Just jumping in to say I got the Kahlua flavor a few minutes ago from bickfordflavors.com.

This is good... really, really good!

Thanks for the information and I'm following your experience on unflavored snus. From the sounds of it and your experience with the smell, I would have a big problem :D So I may try some of this flavoring with the Wine and Dine, which I get along with fairly well...although it won't be as cheap. :(

Quick question, if you're able to answer. What is the best place you found for unflavored
VG in bulk and different strengths? I did search first, read of a few places and still undecided on the information I found . Thanks
 

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I was wondering what Rapp meant as well TV, probably the only way to find out
is to get some & taste it.

Smoke could mean anything I guess, same as above I reckon.


On another track :

Just got some empty teabags from Woodlands, but were so cheap I got some
dried herbs as well to bulk the order...

passion flower, peppermint, valerian, skullcap, ginseng, rhodiala, guarana, St Johns Wort,

shoved a bunch of the 1st two in with some tea in a cuppa
(first for many moons - me & caffeine.. don't ask),
and some honey, splash of milk, quite nice.

Now I don't 'believe' in herbs or homeopathy etc, so wasn't expecting anything at all,
but all day & evening since I've felt really calm & have significantly
reduced nicotine thoughts & intake & well-reduced hunger / eating.

Reckon this is this real, or is a it 'first & once only hit' effect ?

Caused me to go looking up all the active chemicals &
I'm still not convinced there's much really active there (c.f. nicotine in tobacco) but....
 

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Caused me to go looking up all the active chemicals &
I'm still not convinced there's much really active there (c.f. nicotine in tobacco) but....

exo.......how could you dangle that in front of me???? I won't say anything.....yes, I'm poised like a cat waiting on the mouse to surface, but.....

It's just unnatural how this maoi stuff they put in these manufactured snus packets calm me.........
 

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Sunset: Vegetable glycerine should be stocked at any health food store. A bottle good for months of use is $4.95. I buy one when I pick up my vitamins.

The entire bucket of Make Your Own Snus is chilling in the refrigerator. I have prepared separate samples, also chilling, using liquor, pure Kahlua flavor, pure VG, and a sublinqual liquid of all B vitamins.

The stench remains. I will find a way to defeat that .. maybe with charcoal or something.

P.S. Oh yeh, and one I soaked in an herbal extract of Mullein, which is an expectorant. Mullein leaves can be smoked or made into concentrated extract for digestion. Since I have no leaves, I bought the extract many months ago and sometimes drip Mullein into e-liquid. It does break up mucus crap. Kinda like a cheap Musinex.
 
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The stench remains. I will find a way to defeat that .. maybe with charcoal or something.

Thanks, TB. I'm all ears, when you find that out:). Charcoal..hmm, that's an idea.

And now that I think about it...the Oomphs have baking soda in them, which we know helps with odor even though they say it's to help clean your teeth.

Baking soda is, also, good for heart burn and keeps the body alkaline and helps with kidneys. Hmmm, maybe I'm thinking too far outside the box - we were talking about smell.:D
 

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That's great, Sunset. Last night, before I saw your response, I had the wife find a box of baking soda, and I've put that in the refrigerator with the open bucket of snus.

Understand that smell is as individualistic an issue as taste. Others might not find these snus portions as stinky as I do. I'm turned off by anything not "clean" or "sweet". Since tobacco processing often involves fermentation, a "rotten" or "sour" odor can be present. I find both extremely unpleasant.

Snuff uses ammonia and often reeks of it when it arrives. But leaving the tin open overnight solves that problem. Not so with snus. I've had the bucket open four days now, and no change in the putrid stench.
 

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That's great, Sunset. Last night, before I saw your response, I had the wife find a box of baking soda, and I've put that in the refrigerator with the open bucket of snus.

Understand that smell is as individualistic an issue as taste. Others might not find these snus portions as stinky as I do. I'm turned off by anything not "clean" or "sweet". Since tobacco processing often involves fermentation, a "rotten" or "sour" odor can be present. I find both extremely unpleasant.

Snuff uses ammonia and often reeks of it when it arrives. But leaving the tin open overnight solves that problem. Not so with snus. I've had the bucket open four days now, and no change in the putrid stench.

Boy, TB, now I'm wondering if laying snus on a 'bed of baking soda' in the refrigerator would work in absorbing the smell?

Actually, I'm thinking about all the cans of snus I gave away because I couldn't handle the taste/smell. That would be nice to be able to recoop some of the money I spent trying to find the 'right snus' for me.:D

I just might 'borrow' some of those cans back, since my brother is having trouble with them, too.

Interesting experiement...worth a try.
 

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Video coming soon: I tamed the stench by closing up the snus bucket with a box of Baking Soda in it. Very stinky baking soda now. Less of that dead-fish smell from the portions.

About the flavor soaks: Liquor made the snus portions sticky. No good. We have to pick one up, after all, to use it. Sticky fingers are unacceptable.

My sublingual Vitamin B liquid worked well. Mellain, a herbal lung expectorant, worked well. And rum and Kahlua flavors worked great. Those last two will be my regular choices.

Hard to say how long 420 snus will last. But since I rely heavily on Stonewall and vaping, I'm guessing this bucket is good for a few months.
 
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