well a few bulk buckets and the flavoring can be done seperate.. I like bergmont coffee and vanilla so.. Hmm anyone pick the bucket up and likes los??
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SnusX Bucket - bulk snus, add your own flavours (formerly 'Make your own snus')
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A heads up on the buckets.......for whatever reason Northerner Sweden sells buckets with flavoring for a buck more. Northerner US only sell buckets and ya gotta shell out another $5 for one of the flavors. Shipping for the bucket and 10 cans of snus came to $10.10 from the US warehouse, maybe comparable to Swedish postage. If you order a bucket/flavor combo from Sweden, make sure the rest of the order will ship from there or they charge Swedish and US postage.
Thanks for the heads up TV. Sherry gave me the go ahead for a pre-pact order. I already ordered 20 cans of OR Coffee Vanilla, looks like another 20 of Grov Black, and 20 General mints for her. Probably some Lab as well.
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. And I can't see going wrong on the bucket. Dry stuff with a 2 year "best by" date, refrigerated it should last like an Egyptian mummy. Take 20 or so portions out to make a can of the desired flavor.....20 cans worth for the price of a roll on sale. Yep, I think it's good. Just wish they'd offer a high nic version .
. And I can't see going wrong on the bucket. Dry stuff with a 2 year "best by" date, refrigerated it should last like an Egyptian mummy. Take 20 or so portions out to make a can of the desired flavor.....20 cans worth for the price of a roll on sale. Yep, I think it's good. Just wish they'd offer a high nic version .
The Swede order I had "staged" with 15 cans of snus was $10.74 shipping. No flavor.
I have a few ideas on the the storage issues. So when I prove it, one should be acceptable to abt anyone as easy to do and work for what they need. More than 1 way to skin a gov fat cat.
TV did a small trade with me for a quick start, Tnx tv and another offer I very much appreciated, but I'm for sure gonna do 2 buckets, maybe 4 before the 90 days. Tests pending.
I have a few ideas on the the storage issues. So when I prove it, one should be acceptable to abt anyone as easy to do and work for what they need. More than 1 way to skin a gov fat cat.
TV did a small trade with me for a quick start, Tnx tv and another offer I very much appreciated, but I'm for sure gonna do 2 buckets, maybe 4 before the 90 days. Tests pending.
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O.K. SO..... how do you flavor this stuff? Has anyone come up with a formula like e-liquid? If I have 4 oz of mint extract, how much PG/H2O do I add?
FireChick,
I cant say since I dont have any of the SnusX in hand yet.
There is a link where "Chad" did his.
The formula was stated on either Northeners or V2 site for doing the whole bucket (400+ at one time).
If you wanted to do say a 10 portion test you could take the totals and divide it accordingly.
Another simple way would be to mix the flavor to taste, maybe a bit stronger and use an eye dropper and put X amounts of drops on each till you arrive at the desired starting moisture you want. Then you can adjust the flavor to taste and strength.
Each person will like a given moisture/flavor content, so a starting estimate is about all you might find for now.
That link is on here somwhere........grrrrr lol
Here: http://chadizzy1.blogspot.com/2010/03/snusx-day-1-make-your-own-snus-2-mar.html
I cant say since I dont have any of the SnusX in hand yet.
There is a link where "Chad" did his.
The formula was stated on either Northeners or V2 site for doing the whole bucket (400+ at one time).
If you wanted to do say a 10 portion test you could take the totals and divide it accordingly.
Another simple way would be to mix the flavor to taste, maybe a bit stronger and use an eye dropper and put X amounts of drops on each till you arrive at the desired starting moisture you want. Then you can adjust the flavor to taste and strength.
Each person will like a given moisture/flavor content, so a starting estimate is about all you might find for now.
That link is on here somwhere........grrrrr lol
Here: http://chadizzy1.blogspot.com/2010/03/snusx-day-1-make-your-own-snus-2-mar.html
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FireChick,
Ok, he used 20 portions for the trial.
He added 8-10ml of water(1.67-2.02 TSP) and 1.47ml of flavor per can (0.29 tsp).
I remember reading the 10ml was a little on the soggy side.
He was using their flavoring so all you can do is finger test the flavoring you have.
It may be stronger or less concentrated than V2's.
For the measurements, 20 drops = 1 ml from a standard eye dropper. Not those little droppers from 3-5ml eliquid bottles.
I'd try 5 portions and divide those numbers by 4 for a starter.
Then you can go from there.
Hope that makes some sense!
Ok, he used 20 portions for the trial.
He added 8-10ml of water(1.67-2.02 TSP) and 1.47ml of flavor per can (0.29 tsp).
I remember reading the 10ml was a little on the soggy side.
He was using their flavoring so all you can do is finger test the flavoring you have.
It may be stronger or less concentrated than V2's.
For the measurements, 20 drops = 1 ml from a standard eye dropper. Not those little droppers from 3-5ml eliquid bottles.
I'd try 5 portions and divide those numbers by 4 for a starter.
Then you can go from there.
Hope that makes some sense!
Keep meaning to ask Vaporer, do you add sodium carbonate to your ground rustica,
if so how much ?
if so how much ?
One quick update: These have settled down completely as far as odor is concerned and compare favorably with most any Swedish tobacco-flavored snus portion.
I have a real aversion to putting a wet snus in my mouth, so I wasn't liking the dampaning/soaking I'd done with flavors and water. The solution? Put the soaked pieces on a piece of paper and let them dry to your preference. Works like a charm. I now have flavored snus portions that I don't mind putting in my mouth -- and they taste good.
Note that wetness/dryness is highly personal. I no longer order any regular snus because it's wet. Others will swear by regular.
Final note: Look at the paper where the wet snus was placed to dry out. OMG. It will be a blob of black created by the liquid. Now ask what this is doing to the color of your teeth. Seeing those black blobs has sure put me back on tooth whitener!
I have a real aversion to putting a wet snus in my mouth, so I wasn't liking the dampaning/soaking I'd done with flavors and water. The solution? Put the soaked pieces on a piece of paper and let them dry to your preference. Works like a charm. I now have flavored snus portions that I don't mind putting in my mouth -- and they taste good.
Note that wetness/dryness is highly personal. I no longer order any regular snus because it's wet. Others will swear by regular.
Final note: Look at the paper where the wet snus was placed to dry out. OMG. It will be a blob of black created by the liquid. Now ask what this is doing to the color of your teeth. Seeing those black blobs has sure put me back on tooth whitener!
exo,
So far I've just been doing snuff with it(rustica), but I do have a batch mellowing now of snuff & snus.
On the snus, I used:
1.3gm rustica
0.1gm sodium Bicarbonate
10 drops Lorann Peppermint from a 3 -5 ml dropper. Abt 3 drops of a regular dropper.
Have my tea bag material ready for a Sat snus test. MINI portion lol
It smells good.............................
On the snuff I used:
1gm rustica
10 drops of a supersaturated menthol in 151 vodka.
Its drying out. Cant heat it due to the menthols low volatilty.
Saturday should be interesting. I took pics to show the grind of each. Still need pics when I make the portion.
Gonna post them and use an Ettan for size reference.
My new 4" mortar an pestle came in so I can get going on more testing now.
So far I've just been doing snuff with it(rustica), but I do have a batch mellowing now of snuff & snus.
On the snus, I used:
1.3gm rustica
0.1gm sodium Bicarbonate
10 drops Lorann Peppermint from a 3 -5 ml dropper. Abt 3 drops of a regular dropper.
Have my tea bag material ready for a Sat snus test. MINI portion lol
It smells good.............................
On the snuff I used:
1gm rustica
10 drops of a supersaturated menthol in 151 vodka.
Its drying out. Cant heat it due to the menthols low volatilty.
Saturday should be interesting. I took pics to show the grind of each. Still need pics when I make the portion.
Gonna post them and use an Ettan for size reference.
My new 4" mortar an pestle came in so I can get going on more testing now.
Hi, Vaporer,
I'm curious to hear the results of your test. 1.3 grams of Rustica for one snus portion seems like it might be very very strong, perhaps up to about 117 mg of nicotine if you're using pure leaf. Or are you saying that you'll be making several mini portions from the 1.3 grams?
I have a personal interest in your experiments and your thoughts on this, since I have 100 grams of Rustica leaf en route to me from toquesnuff.com right now. And I also plan to make snus out of it. I can't remember if I've read it or not: did you get your Rustica from toquesnuff, too?
For reference,
Code:
[B]Nicotine Distribution in Nicotiana*:[/B]
Leaf 64%
Stem 18%
Root 13%
[U]Flower 5%[/U]
Whole Plant 100%
[B][U] Leaf of Species Nicotine Percent** Nicotine Per Gram [/U][/B]
Nicotiana tabacum 1.00% to 3.00% ~ 10.00 mg to 30.00 mg
Nicotiana rustica up to ~ 9.00% up to ~ 90.00 mg
[B][U] Stem of Species Nicotine Percent Nicotine Per Gram [/U][/B]
Nicotiana tabacum 0.28% to 0.84% ~ 2.81 mg to 8.44 mg
Nicotiana rustica up to ~ 2.53% up to ~ 25.31 mg
[B][U] Root of Species Nicotine Percent Nicotine Per Gram [/U][/B]
Nicotiana tabacum 0.20% to 0.61% ~ 2.03 mg to 6.09 mg
Nicotiana rustica up to ~ 1.83% up to ~ 18.28 mg
[B][U] Flower of Species Nicotine Percent Nicotine Per Gram [/U][/B]
Nicotiana tabacum 0.08% to 0.23% ~ 0.78 mg to 2.34 mg
Nicotiana rustica up to ~ 0.70% up to ~ 7.03 mg
[B][U]Whole Plant of Species*** Average Nicotine Percent Average Nicotine Per Gram[/U][/B]
Nicotiana tabacum 0.39% to 1.17% ~ 3.91 mg to 11.72 mg
Nicotiana rustica up to ~ 3.51% up to ~ 35.15 mg
Notes:
* from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotiana_tabacum#Part_used
** from http://artsci.wustl.edu/~gjfritz/Nicotiana_sp.html
*** Assuming leaf, stem, root, and flower are (by weight) equally mixed--John
Hi John,
Yes 1/2 of the rustica came from Toque.
Rustica has the highest nicotine content as far as I know.
Most purchased portions are around .5gms ea.
There is no way I'd make that 1.3gm into a single portion or even a 1 gm one.
In my post you will see MINI like this. I mean mini.
Probably 1/4gm to start since its pure rustica leaf. maybe 1/8gm.
I've used the rustica as a fine ground snuff(straight), it packs a wallop and I love the flavor of it as is.
If used as a snuff, you get such a hit from it you couldn't do it like you would regular snuff. It just to strong in nicotine. I posted somewhere that if you were snuffing for nic and flavor, pure rustica just isnt the answer IMO. When you wanted for more flavor, the nic isnt done yet.
Smaller portions and pinches may not carry the MAOI's I'd prefer. In that case a blend for more volume would be in order, possibly using the rustica to get the nic up on smaller virginia tobacco(Nicotiana tabacum ) portions.
I, among others, will be interested to read your tests, results and thoughts from your trials.
Yes 1/2 of the rustica came from Toque.
Rustica has the highest nicotine content as far as I know.
Most purchased portions are around .5gms ea.
There is no way I'd make that 1.3gm into a single portion or even a 1 gm one.
In my post you will see MINI like this. I mean mini.
Probably 1/4gm to start since its pure rustica leaf. maybe 1/8gm.
I've used the rustica as a fine ground snuff(straight), it packs a wallop and I love the flavor of it as is.
If used as a snuff, you get such a hit from it you couldn't do it like you would regular snuff. It just to strong in nicotine. I posted somewhere that if you were snuffing for nic and flavor, pure rustica just isnt the answer IMO. When you wanted for more flavor, the nic isnt done yet.
Smaller portions and pinches may not carry the MAOI's I'd prefer. In that case a blend for more volume would be in order, possibly using the rustica to get the nic up on smaller virginia tobacco(Nicotiana tabacum ) portions.
I, among others, will be interested to read your tests, results and thoughts from your trials.
Very nice info John, I've read the general figures, but that good detail to know
I was also wondering if Vaporer was going to use the whole 1.3g in a single snus (!)
Vaporer, the 0.1g sodium bicarbonate per 1.3g rustica - was that to a measured pH
or from some other recipe, or just 'some'?
I've got some of the toque rustica, so I think I'll sacrifice a couple of grams to see how
much carbonate or bicarbonate is needed to get it to a stable pH 9 in 10 ml of DI water.
Apparently the MOAI ramps up with the nicotime content - or so I've read somewhere.
Looks like this is gathering momentum
TB, do you think you lost any significant 'juice' proportion from cold-drying on the paper ?
I was also wondering if Vaporer was going to use the whole 1.3g in a single snus (!)
Vaporer, the 0.1g sodium bicarbonate per 1.3g rustica - was that to a measured pH
or from some other recipe, or just 'some'?
I've got some of the toque rustica, so I think I'll sacrifice a couple of grams to see how
much carbonate or bicarbonate is needed to get it to a stable pH 9 in 10 ml of DI water.
Apparently the MOAI ramps up with the nicotime content - or so I've read somewhere.
Looks like this is gathering momentum
TB, do you think you lost any significant 'juice' proportion from cold-drying on the paper ?
Yeah, I did see that MINI in all caps. I figured I might've just been misinterpreting, but I'm glad to hear you're starting out with small amounts.
I'm wondering about the MAOI factor, too. I've never seen actual statistics about how much is in any tobacco per unit. The focus is always on nicotine. I did read recently that in addition to the higher concentration of nicotine in Rustica, there is also a higher concentration of the other alkaloids as well, so maybe a very small portion would provide that also. The question I have about what I've read on Rustica nicotine density is "what does 'up to' mean?" when it is said, for example, that Rustica contains up to 9% nicotine.
I guess that's something I'll get a better handle on with real-life testing -- and in real terms instead of just numbers: in other words, "does it work?"
--John
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I hope the MAOI goes up. As snuff, its very diff & satisfying. I used a Toque bullet and only snuffed a part of one "load" up each side.
On the bicarbonate, many snus containers list the carbonate as 5%.
.05gm sure looked small volume wise to the 1.3gm of tobacco, so I went with .1gm by weight.
Which still looked lame, but I saw no need to go higher.
I think the "up to" is referring to the max nic it can contain under ideal condtions naturally. Compared to other strains, thats pretty hefty. A reason for my caution and being conservative. Better to err small than assume otherwise.
I think someone posted that 20-30% of the nic is absorbed from snus.
On the bicarbonate, many snus containers list the carbonate as 5%.
.05gm sure looked small volume wise to the 1.3gm of tobacco, so I went with .1gm by weight.
Which still looked lame, but I saw no need to go higher.
I think the "up to" is referring to the max nic it can contain under ideal condtions naturally. Compared to other strains, thats pretty hefty. A reason for my caution and being conservative. Better to err small than assume otherwise.
I think someone posted that 20-30% of the nic is absorbed from snus.
Think the upper limit I've read is 40% adsorbtion, some say only 20%,
probably depends on how long you keep the portion in for,
and how much you prod & tweak it with your tongue.
Working out weights, if the rustica was 'only' 5% nicotine by weight,
for the 1.3 g you'd only need
1.3 x 0.05 / 262 = moles of bicarbonate to put it all freebase.
equivalent to 0.02 g bicarbonate.
Guess there's other stuff in the baccy that needs neutralising as well,
will be able say how much to get pH9 very soon.
EDIT : Can't do it with bicarbonate, highest pH likely to be pH8.3,
gonna need disodium carbonate to get significantly above that.
Although I was wondering for it to be effective whether you'd have to wet it a bit,
and then let it stand for quite a while for diffusion & conversion to happen.
Maybe then gently dry it again for storage.
(which is pretty much what the SnusX instructions is saying).
probably depends on how long you keep the portion in for,
and how much you prod & tweak it with your tongue.
Working out weights, if the rustica was 'only' 5% nicotine by weight,
for the 1.3 g you'd only need
1.3 x 0.05 / 262 = moles of bicarbonate to put it all freebase.
equivalent to 0.02 g bicarbonate.
Guess there's other stuff in the baccy that needs neutralising as well,
will be able say how much to get pH9 very soon.
EDIT : Can't do it with bicarbonate, highest pH likely to be pH8.3,
gonna need disodium carbonate to get significantly above that.
Although I was wondering for it to be effective whether you'd have to wet it a bit,
and then let it stand for quite a while for diffusion & conversion to happen.
Maybe then gently dry it again for storage.
(which is pretty much what the SnusX instructions is saying).
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Seems likely to me. I can't imagine it being very effective otherwise. What's your reasoning on the 9-10 pH? Think it'll amount to more freebase nic or are you figuring the end product will result in lower pH?
Another nice table, John. Good reference for this latest venture we've embarked on.
So I finally tried the SnusX dry portion. Yep, dry. With a few slugs of H2O to swish it around in and keepin' it in the back, above the molars, I got the hiccups. Almost comparable to a purified snus in nic release, so straight from the bucket I find these worthy. Low scale Ettan flavor makes 'em good for my buds, too. V, they went out in yesterdays mail, so hopefully they get from Indiana to Ohio by Monday. I think you'll agree they're a deal.
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