SnusX Bucket - bulk snus, add your own flavours (formerly 'Make your own snus')
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exo, thanks for the info. In my file now for quick ref.
Sounds like a plan TB.
On the weighed SnusX portions TV sent:
3 were 49gm and after drying were 42, 43, 43gms.
2 were 52gm and after drying were 43 & 44gms.
Sounds like a plan TB.
On the weighed SnusX portions TV sent:
3 were 49gm and after drying were 42, 43, 43gms.
2 were 52gm and after drying were 43 & 44gms.
altho...im not a part of it....I would like to thank everyone involved in this endeavor for the greater good.
your hard work will help everyone in the end and is much appreciated
your hard work will help everyone in the end and is much appreciated
I did a test run overnight on the SnusX using Lorann flavoring.
I elected to go with 30% peppemint and wintergreen from Loranns in PG.
Ok, on oven dried portions, 10 drops seemed a fair start while watching them.
2 mins after the 10th drop...its too much. Not flavor, just the volume.
No way to soak up the slight reamins of liquid. 8 drops would have been ok, 5 maybe better. The flavor really hung in there for hrs. SnusX is not going to be Thunder Frosted. But it works. Also. 30% Lorann Peppermint Oil over rides any tobacco flavor present.
I think the tobacco flavor showed up at abt the 4th hr....lol Still not sure
Next test would be 5 drops 20% flavor.
It actually reminded me more of a mini mint with the heavy flavor issue.
Goods are there though.
I elected to go with 30% peppemint and wintergreen from Loranns in PG.
Ok, on oven dried portions, 10 drops seemed a fair start while watching them.
2 mins after the 10th drop...its too much. Not flavor, just the volume.
No way to soak up the slight reamins of liquid. 8 drops would have been ok, 5 maybe better. The flavor really hung in there for hrs. SnusX is not going to be Thunder Frosted. But it works. Also. 30% Lorann Peppermint Oil over rides any tobacco flavor present.
I think the tobacco flavor showed up at abt the 4th hr....lol Still not sure
Next test would be 5 drops 20% flavor.
It actually reminded me more of a mini mint with the heavy flavor issue.
Goods are there though.
Strange, I was so eager to try some cinnamon oil on these, but to date I've just used 'em dry. Almost like my instant coffee, I always have a bottle of water on me, so if I decide I'll go for a milder 8mg portion I grab one and pop it in, then swish a little water around in my mouth and have instant snus. Some day I hope to have a more glorious report, but heck, I just got a second bucket so why be in a rush???
Heck TV,
Since you already opened a bucket, you should give your cinnamon recipie a try.
Since its an oil, it wont do well with water, but 1 drop added to 9 drops of PG, VG, or 151 vodka, PGA would be a 10% flavoring and adding 5 drops of this 10% mix would be a fair place to start per portion. Viscosity differences may not let it be exactly 10%, but it will be close. I prefer to do things in ml's, as it is more consistant, but such a small amount its pretty close for a start.
Ok, 2 drops of cinnamon oil and 18 drops of any of the above would do 4 portions. Toss them in an empty tin in the fridge for 2-3 days and let us know how they did.
Since the response from V2 said everything else was added but the flavoring the SnusX portions should be an easy test bed for flavoring.
It's really a shame theree isn't an easy home test for TSNA's. Once a bucket was opened, people could periodically check and if a rise was seen we would have a great handle on storage methods and times.
Since you already opened a bucket, you should give your cinnamon recipie a try.
Since its an oil, it wont do well with water, but 1 drop added to 9 drops of PG, VG, or 151 vodka, PGA would be a 10% flavoring and adding 5 drops of this 10% mix would be a fair place to start per portion. Viscosity differences may not let it be exactly 10%, but it will be close. I prefer to do things in ml's, as it is more consistant, but such a small amount its pretty close for a start.
Ok, 2 drops of cinnamon oil and 18 drops of any of the above would do 4 portions. Toss them in an empty tin in the fridge for 2-3 days and let us know how they did.
Since the response from V2 said everything else was added but the flavoring the SnusX portions should be an easy test bed for flavoring.
It's really a shame theree isn't an easy home test for TSNA's. Once a bucket was opened, people could periodically check and if a rise was seen we would have a great handle on storage methods and times.
This evening was the SnusX with 30% wintergreen.
Yuuuuuuuuuuk!
I like wintergreen, but this is not pleasant at all. Bitter earthy tasting.
Not sure if its lack of sweetness, to much wintergreen but its bad enough not to keep in.
Looks like I'll have to try to sweeten it and see if that helps. If that doesnt do it, will drop flavor back to 5% to start.
Sweet apple snus making tonight. If that works might toss in some cinnamon for the apple pie effect.
Yuuuuuuuuuuk!
I like wintergreen, but this is not pleasant at all. Bitter earthy tasting.
Not sure if its lack of sweetness, to much wintergreen but its bad enough not to keep in.
Looks like I'll have to try to sweeten it and see if that helps. If that doesnt do it, will drop flavor back to 5% to start.
Sweet apple snus making tonight. If that works might toss in some cinnamon for the apple pie effect.
Sweet apple snus making tonight. If that works might toss in some cinnamon for the apple pie effect.
Mmmmm, cinnamon
. I think I smell it baking. In the day or so I'm gonna tackle the cinnamon, maybe some coffee/vanilla too. Thanks for the starter tips, V. I fell flat on my face with DIY eliquid, but vaped through the small amounts. I sure don't wanna have to toss an innocent little snus portion. I'm not a wintergreen fan, but 30% sounds like a lot. Probably had a nice burn too.Wintergreen is strong. But , there was no taste of it, just bitter, like dirt.
Almost like it reacted with something and only .0000001 wintergreen taste or scent.
The other 99.9999999 was yuuuuuuuuuk. Weird.........
No burn at all either. Oddly, wintergreen can be toxic at low levels.
I have some great vanillas, one homemade from madagascar beans and I dont have a great coffee. Need to look for one. I have a very nice French Vanilla that I reduced to 25% of its original volume to juice it up.....it works well in most things I've tried it with.
I'm trying to get the best from the portions you sent so I know how much to stock up on after I know its potential.
Almost like it reacted with something and only .0000001 wintergreen taste or scent.
The other 99.9999999 was yuuuuuuuuuk. Weird.........
No burn at all either. Oddly, wintergreen can be toxic at low levels.
I have some great vanillas, one homemade from madagascar beans and I dont have a great coffee. Need to look for one. I have a very nice French Vanilla that I reduced to 25% of its original volume to juice it up.....it works well in most things I've tried it with.
I'm trying to get the best from the portions you sent so I know how much to stock up on after I know its potential.
Water sweetened with Stevia has turned out well. No flavor other than the tobacco of the SnusX. I'm about an hour into one now and the extreme sweet taste has passed, leaving only a sweet tobacco flavor.
This might do it for me. I'll add a bit of coffee flavor to the Stevia mix and see if that's an improvement. I, too, had some Yuck moments with tests, Vaporer. It ain't ALL good.
This might do it for me. I'll add a bit of coffee flavor to the Stevia mix and see if that's an improvement. I, too, had some Yuck moments with tests, Vaporer. It ain't ALL good.
TB, usually I can get something acceptable on the 1st try and it be workable.
That wintergreen just was horrible.
Sounds good on the Stevia, what has been bad for you?
I'd like to find a good coffee. Loranns never impressed me much and their chocolate was worse.
That wintergreen just was horrible.
Sounds good on the Stevia, what has been bad for you?
I'd like to find a good coffee. Loranns never impressed me much and their chocolate was worse.
Has anyone tried soaking some in actual coffee? Caffeine and nicotine in one punch.....
Funny you ask, Skrymr. My first experiment was substituting coffee for water as a moistener. Yuck and ugh. Terrible combination. Now, I was using straight coffee, not sweetened or creamed, but it was dreadful that way.
Let me give this some perspective: My taste preferences are "sweet" and "salty". I dislike the other two, "sour" and "bitter". Unsweetened coffee is intensely bitter and tobacco is naturally sour and bitter.
If your tastes lean away from sweet and salty, you might like coffee-soaked tobacco. I can only say that I did not.
It taught me to look for flavors that move tobacco to sweet and salty -- which, it seems to me, is exactly what both Sweden and America are doing to tobacco portions in order to win over the masses. I do not think my taste preferences are in any way unique.
Let me give this some perspective: My taste preferences are "sweet" and "salty". I dislike the other two, "sour" and "bitter". Unsweetened coffee is intensely bitter and tobacco is naturally sour and bitter.
If your tastes lean away from sweet and salty, you might like coffee-soaked tobacco. I can only say that I did not.
It taught me to look for flavors that move tobacco to sweet and salty -- which, it seems to me, is exactly what both Sweden and America are doing to tobacco portions in order to win over the masses. I do not think my taste preferences are in any way unique.
Ok, thanks TB. But that leads me to ask, what if you soaked them in coffee that's prepared the way you like to drink it? Would the snusx soak up any sweetener you added? Would the sweetener affect shelf life?
Skyrmr,
TB makes a very valid point in his obervation.
Basically any flavor appreciated by the user can be made acceptable. The general masses fall in the slightly sweet or salty(for flavor enhancement too) as this is how our tastes have been conditioned.
Using a soaked flavor as you would consume it will work but the duration will be very short. So, a concentrated version of that seems to work the best so far for me from my tests. A small amount is released in larger amounts of saliva diluting it.
This reults in finding the concentration of flavor you desire and the starting moisture content of the portion.
It's now a matter of balancing those 2 values.
Release time can be adjusted as oils last the longest, PG/VG based flavors are 2nd in duration and water based being last and lasting the shortest time.
Concentration of the flavor can skew this a bit too.
The wintergreen failure I had...I finally isolated the nasty bitter taste.
Its exactly the taste(starting off) when a wintergreen portion I was using flavor ran out. When the flavor fell off it became very nasty, but this seemed abt 5x stronger. It became very bitter, earthy, dirt like and not pleasant at all.
Wintergreen can be unusually toxic at low levels compared to most any other flavor, so I'm ignoring this flavor this till later and I can find more data on it.
TB makes a very valid point in his obervation.
Basically any flavor appreciated by the user can be made acceptable. The general masses fall in the slightly sweet or salty(for flavor enhancement too) as this is how our tastes have been conditioned.
Using a soaked flavor as you would consume it will work but the duration will be very short. So, a concentrated version of that seems to work the best so far for me from my tests. A small amount is released in larger amounts of saliva diluting it.
This reults in finding the concentration of flavor you desire and the starting moisture content of the portion.
It's now a matter of balancing those 2 values.
Release time can be adjusted as oils last the longest, PG/VG based flavors are 2nd in duration and water based being last and lasting the shortest time.
Concentration of the flavor can skew this a bit too.
The wintergreen failure I had...I finally isolated the nasty bitter taste.
Its exactly the taste(starting off) when a wintergreen portion I was using flavor ran out. When the flavor fell off it became very nasty, but this seemed abt 5x stronger. It became very bitter, earthy, dirt like and not pleasant at all.
Wintergreen can be unusually toxic at low levels compared to most any other flavor, so I'm ignoring this flavor this till later and I can find more data on it.
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I think I understand what you're saying. I could put some coffee on the stove over low heat and reduce it to concentrate it, then the bigger flavor would be there. You probably couldn't sweeten it first, but You'd get big flavor.
TB,
I don't have any Stevia handy and no one person can possibly do all the tests and have all the fun. lol
Is it possible for you to try the Stevia in PG/VG and then add the other flavor?
The PG/VG should slow down the fast sweet release giving it more duration too.
Appreciate any input you have in this.
I don't have any Stevia handy and no one person can possibly do all the tests and have all the fun. lol
Is it possible for you to try the Stevia in PG/VG and then add the other flavor?
The PG/VG should slow down the fast sweet release giving it more duration too.
Appreciate any input you have in this.
Skrymr,
Exactly. Slowly with out burning you'd concentrate the flavor you like so when in the portion it released at a diluted rate that similar to when its consumed.
If you finger tasted that concentration it wouldnt taste very good.
Exactly. Slowly with out burning you'd concentrate the flavor you like so when in the portion it released at a diluted rate that similar to when its consumed.
If you finger tasted that concentration it wouldnt taste very good.
I'll see what combo I can come up with, Vaporer. I tried straight VG (I don't have any straight PG) and it took hours to soak a portion of SnusX. Then there was no way to get rid of that excess (to me) moisture. So I abandoned VG for this use (I still use it for DIY e-liquids).
I make about 20 portions at a time and it takes a day or two to use them up. I'll try flavoring the Stevia mix next time (probably with my beloved Kahlua in PG).
And I thought of moistening some portions with sweet/creamed coffee, but since they have to "set" for three days, I worried a bit about fungus or bacteria growth in the broth! I might not need to worry, but that was my concern, so I haven't tested it that way.
I make about 20 portions at a time and it takes a day or two to use them up. I'll try flavoring the Stevia mix next time (probably with my beloved Kahlua in PG).
And I thought of moistening some portions with sweet/creamed coffee, but since they have to "set" for three days, I worried a bit about fungus or bacteria growth in the broth! I might not need to worry, but that was my concern, so I haven't tested it that way.
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