So Enough Already with the "You must do this" "You must buy that" Attitude

[Myrany]

I had just given up trying to make my point. Maybe I went about it a wrong way to prove it. Or went overboard trying to stress the point that I wasn't saying any one mod is better than another.
Yes I use a provari- it is my ONLY mod- for now.

But the point is was trying to make was that the mod does in fact effect the vape; it's NOT solely dependent on the topper.

Thank you for confirming my observation without me having to pull out scopes and multimeters.
Thank you!!!


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You might have to hunt for it but PBusardo did a video on the rattlesnake effect of the 33 chips in which he HAS the scope gaphics of the 33 chip and I believe the provari.

That said if someone is used to a mech? They wont notice the provari being smoother.

I also believe some people just flat can't tell even between the 33 and a provari.

Everyone is different. Provari is not the end all and be all device for EVERYONE.

EDIT: If the Provari really literally IS your only device please do yourself a favor and get a backup. Even a Provari CAN break and probably (According to Murphy) at the worst possible time.

 

[AndriaD]

I hear ya TOny3, but I also agree the mod matters a lot less than the topper to your vape performance.

I would also not compare regulated to mechanical setups. They are quite different because of the power drop off that the topper needs to be setup to handle.

Looking at regulated mods, you have differences in PWM frequency and you have differing power drop under load and power drop as the battery runs down. Not everyone notices the difference in PWM frequency. If you adjust the power so each device is delivering the same under load, I can't tell the difference in the vape between a eGo Twist, a Spinner or a Vmax rotating the same atty through them all. I've never tried a MVP or Provari, so I don't know if I would be able to tell the difference in PWM frequency. However I vape mech mods pretty much all the time these days (no PWM on these puppies) and it doesn't bother me to vape a clearo on a eGo if that's what I feel like vaping for a night out.

We've had threads about this here before. The majority of people agree the topper has more influence on your vape than the power supply.

In the end though, whatever works for you is good. Vape on


ETA: Don't know how I got the quote ID messed up, but I fixed it.

Have you tried an iTaste vv/vw v3? Supposedly it's got that same "steadiness" as the MVP and p'vari... it neverr makes that "rattlesnake" sound. but I put my kayfuns on my vv3s and on my Sigelei, which does make that sound at lower wattage, and there is not a bit of difference in the quality of the vape -- it just sounds different.

Andria

 

[Myrany]

Have you tried an iTaste vv/vw v3? Supposedly it's got that same "steadiness" as the MVP and p'vari... it neverr makes that "rattlesnake" sound. but I put my kayfuns on my vv3s and on my Sigelei, which does make that sound at lower wattage, and there is not a bit of difference in the quality of the vape -- it just sounds different.

Andria

Like I said some people can taste/feel a difference and others cannot. I can.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

You might have to hunt for it but PBusardo did a video on the rattlesnake effect of the 33 chips in which he HAS the scope gaphics of the 33 chip and I believe the provari.

That said if someone is used to a mech? They wont notice the provari being smoother.

I also believe some people just flat can't tell even between the 33 and a provari.

Everyone is different. Provari is not the end all and be all device for EVERYONE.

EDIT: If the Provari really literally IS your only device please do yourself a favor and get a backup. Even a Provari CAN break and probably (According to Murphy) at the worst possible time.

I never said that provari was the end all be all; in fact I tried going out of my way to say that it wasn't. It is all about NoT SMOKING. I had gotten mine as a reward for going 30 days without a cig after smoking 2 packs a day for 20+ years. I redirected my cig money and gave myself a present.
Before that I had a MVP2.0- which I love, that's the one that got me off the cigs, and I was keeping it as a backup and treasured memory; But, my fiancé decided she wanted to quit and relieved me of the mvp. So I was debating between a mech or dna30 as a backup; but, the P3 is coming out soon and I wanna see what that'll be before I jump on something.
At its root a provari is still a machine and machines break. I just don't have the finances to have 3 and 4 devices. One yes, hopefully 2.
I'll have to look for the vid; all I know is I do taste the difference; and feel it on my tongue.
But at no point was I endorsing any product; I have no idea where that idea came from; I simply mentioned what I have and that I like it and followed up with the fact that I was stating my opinion. By saying the mod can effect the vapor I never said if that was good, bad or indifferent. It just does influence it. What someone uses is still there choice. I happen to choose that mod.

Lol- by the way- I am Murphy- lol


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[Asbestos4004]

Like I said some people can taste/feel a difference and others cannot. I can.

me too. Sure can.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

Like I said some people can taste/feel a difference and others cannot. I can.

The MVP and vv 3 are at 730(ish) hz and i can't taste it much; certain juices I did- citrus juices stuck out more. The provari is at 800hz, it's the closest to straight dc than any of them. I believe the DNA is above the MVP but still a tad below provapes chip. I'm not sure what the SX chip is at; I wanna say SX is 680 hz or 700 hz.

All in all I've noticed the "sweeter" the juice the more pronounced the flavor change on a lower Freq chip.


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[Myrany]

The MVP and vv 3 are at 730(ish) hz and i can't taste it much; certain juices I did- citrus juices stuck out more. The provari is at 800hz, it's the closest to straight dc than any of them. I believe the DNA is above the MVP but still a tad below provapes chip. I'm not sure what the SX chip is at; I wanna say SX is 680 hz or 700 hz.

All in all I've noticed the "sweeter" the juice the more pronounced the flavor change on a lower Freq chip.


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The science says there is a difference but I think at a more basic level the difference comes down to the individual. Some might actually prefer a harsher vape. Some might just not taste those flavors as well. I know my hubby can never taste some of the more subtle nuances in a good wine that I can. I suspect it holds true for vaping as well.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

The science says there is a difference but I think at a more basic level the difference comes down to the individual. Some might actually prefer a harsher vape. Some might just not taste those flavors as well. I know my hubby can never taste some of the more subtle nuances in a good wine that I can. I suspect it holds true for vaping as well.

Yeah; I said in a previous post I was a chef for 23 years; I can taste a dish and hurriedly scribble a recipe that'll replicate it. Down to the type of pepper used. So,I have a fairly well trained palette.


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[AndriaD]

Yeah; I said in a previous post I was a chef for 23 years; I can taste a dish and hurriedly scribble a recipe that'll replicate it. Down to the type of pepper used. So,I have a fairly well trained palette.

Wow, that would be handy. I've been trying for years to replicate Red Lobster's tartar sauce, and just can't figure out what goes into a very distinctive taste. Buttermilk, ranch dressing, sour creme... just can't find the "secret" ingredient to add to the mayo, pickles, and onions.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

Wow, that would be handy. I've been trying for years to replicate Red Lobster's tartar sauce, and just can't figure out what goes into a very distinctive taste. Buttermilk, ranch dressing, sour creme... just can't find the "secret" ingredient to add to the mayo, pickles, and onions.

It's picklerelish not pickle, white vinegar, lemon juice/zest and a small amount of roasted garlic
You have the rest


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[bluecat]

I high power once in a blue moon- I don't own a mod capable of it; but a buddy does and yes i taste a huge difference. Some juices it's good on; others not so much. But it is fun.
Ad I'm gonna stand by my argument that the mod matters; because of the science and my personal
Experience.
As for a mech. I don't own one and have rarely vaped on them and maybe that's why I can tell- it's just that rare that the difference sticks out to me. And, I do really enjoy it; would love to have one; but it's a bad idea for me to have a mech in my pocket all day, so it'll stay one of those things that I wish I could have.


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Sorry mate. I wasn't trying to argumentative. It was merely a discussion as I am an inquisitive type. I have been trying to understand it for a while now.

I really do not care what someone vape on. It is their money and free to spend as they see fit. Personally, I have been mulling over saving for an otto carver. Not sure if I can justify it but man those are sweet.

If I came across differently, my apologies. We just have a difference of opinion.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

Sorry mate. I wasn't trying to argumentative. It was merely a discussion as I am an inquisitive type. I have been trying to understand it for a while now.

I really do not care what someone vape on. It is their money and free to spend as they see fit. Personally, I have been mulling over saving for an otto carver. Not sure if I can justify it but man those are sweet.

If I came across differently, my apologies. We just have a difference of opinion.

You lost me bro; I wasn't arguing with you, I was trying to understand what you were saying.
Half of what I got out of that was along the lines of the point I was trying to make the other half I got lost on.


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[AndriaD]

I've got some dill relish, but that's the only kind I'll ever buy, the sweet kind is just gross. Usually I chop my own pickles because that way I can chop them more finely, but I guess I could blot the relish dry and chop that up more. But none of that stuff makes it taste like Red Lobster's. I've literally been trying for years. I can't eat RL's shrimp anymore because they use the kind color-preserved with sulfites, which gives me an immediate asthma attack, but I love their tartar sauce better than any I've ever eaten.

Andria

 

[Fir3b1rd]

I've only eaten there once, a LONG TIME ago On vacation visiting a friend out of state. Normally I get seafood off the dock, live on the gulf coast; so when I get seafood it's still alive. But take the chopped pickles and rinse them and strain them- out a little sea salt in them and toss them in the side- add them last.
Finely chop the carrot and add them first- counter intuitive but there is a reson for it. Add the dill and a tiny/ as in one drop tiny bit of the vinegar and the juice of 1/4 lemon - two dashes of sugar- this is to help it come back together as the vinegar and lemon will make the mayo want to separate.
Fold it together and add the pickle bits- whisk it together put it in the fridge to cool after 20-30 minutes take it out and fold it back togetherness
Season with sugar and salt to taste.

mayo
minced onion
pickle relish
carrot
Lemon
Dill
Tiny bit white wine vinegar
Sugar


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[amolson]

It's picklerelish not pickle, white vinegar, lemon juice/zest and a small amount of roasted garlic
You have the rest

I literally laughed out loud at this. Reminds me of 'the boss'. You've been cooking for about as long, come to think of it.

Interesting discussion about the frequencies. I have a Vision Spinner and a Innokin VV3.0. Was wondering what that difference was. Love my VV though, just love it. Mostly because of the variable wattage. I CAN do the math, in my head, but it's a nuisance to remember the resistance on which coil and pfui. Of course I'm mostly at the try up and see if it tastes better. If not, go down. That's about as sophisticated as I get at the moment.

But newbs, like myself quite honestly, most of us can't tell if its roasted garlic or fresh. We're not there yet. It takes time and experience which is really hard to get if you're fiddling with your equipment or struggling with a collection of alphabet soup.

Battery, topper, good to go. When I'm teaching, I try to find the simplest setup that will work reliably for the students to start out with, otherwise known as, "Start with blinky". Get something working, reliably, then add to it. In the case of vaping, a battery and a glass topper. (I don't recommend plastic because that's one more thing they have to worry about.)

But yeah, the whole alphabet soup most people throw at beginners is truly frightening. When I started reading it, well, 'next, next, next' oh, ok, there's some English.

 

[AndriaD]

I've only eaten there once, a LONG TIME ago On vacation visiting a friend out of state. Normally I get seafood off the dock, live on the gulf coast; so when I get seafood it's still alive. But take the chopped pickles and rinse them and strain them- out a little sea salt in them and toss them in the side- add them last.
Finely chop the carrot and add them first- counter intuitive but there is a reson for it. Add the dill and a tiny/ as in one drop tiny bit of the vinegar and the juice of 1/4 lemon - two dashes of sugar- this is to help it come back together as the vinegar and lemon will make the mayo want to separate.
Fold it together and add the pickle bits- whisk it together put it in the fridge to cool after 20-30 minutes take it out and fold it back togetherness
Season with sugar and salt to taste.

mayo
minced onion
pickle relish
carrot
Lemon
Dill
Tiny bit white wine vinegar
Sugar

Thx mon! I'll definitely try it, though white wine vinegar isn't something I normally buy; always have white vinegar handy, I use it to keep my stainless free of hard water deposits, and every once in a great while I might buy some red wine vinegar for salad dressing... not even sure I've ever seen white wine vinegar. I do have apple cider vinegar, and also malt vinegar (which smell almost identical to me).

Thx!
Andria

 

[Fir3b1rd]

I literally laughed out loud at this. Reminds me of 'the boss'. You've been cooking for about as long, come to think of it.

Interesting discussion about the frequencies. I have a Vision Spinner and a Innokin VV3.0. Was wondering what that difference was. Love my VV though, just love it. Mostly because of the variable wattage. I CAN do the math, in my head, but it's a nuisance to remember the resistance on which coil and pfui. Of course I'm mostly at the try up and see if it tastes better. If not, go down. That's about as sophisticated as I get at the moment.

But newbs, like myself quite honestly, most of us can't tell if its roasted garlic or fresh. We're not there yet. It takes time and experience which is really hard to get if you're fiddling with your equipment or struggling with a collection of alphabet soup.

Battery, topper, good to go. When I'm teaching, I try to find the simplest setup that will work reliably for the students to start out with, otherwise known as, "Start with blinky". Get something working, reliably, then add to it. In the case of vaping, a battery and a glass topper. (I don't recommend plastic because that's one more thing they have to worry about.)

But yeah, the whole alphabet soup most people throw at beginners is truly frightening. When I started reading it, well, 'next, next, next' oh, ok, there's some English.

The boss?
As in cake boss?
Lol- I can cook, design a dish, dress a plate, butcher anything with my eyes closed; but bake, no ever gonna happen. That involves measuring. And homie doesn't measure or count, homie cooks to sight smell and taste, and have never had a problem.

I hear ya with beginners- I almost always suggest the MVP with an aero or nautilus. Glass tank no worried on cracking, VW and when/if they get comfy with it VV. And it's inexpensive, near dc Freq. The only reason I don't recommend the v3 is there is not much price difference and the MVP has double the batter and "appears" to be built a little more solid. But they both run the same freq. Not to mention the MVP has that cool back up battery feature- lol.
I have never ever ever brought up RBAs or coiling with a new person. I'll wait to get asked about it. I am though a huge fan of telling them to get a glass tank with air control so that they can adjust the draw to where they want


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[amolson]

The boss?
As in cake boss?
Lol- I can cook, design a dish, dress a plate, butcher anything with my eyes closed; but bake, no ever gonna happen. That involves measuring. And homie doesn't measure or count, homie cooks to sight smell and taste, and have never had a problem.

I hear ya with beginners- I almost always suggest the MVP with an aero or nautilus. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Heh. Funny thing is, she bakes and I cook. She's horribly dysgraphic (like dyslexic, but for math) and I'm an engineer. Go figure.

Hrmph. I have a couple of mini protanks, but the biggest issue I'm finding is the draw. The nautilus looks great except for the size of the tank. I like smaller tanks since I get bored really easily.

Hmmm, wonder if they have an aero at the shop up the road. I need to get some more of what's turning into my ADV. (It's the only cheap vape I like. I'm not vapeing $1/ml juice when I'm coding. I can't taste anything when I'm coding anyways.) Hey, any excuse to see if that really cute saleswoman is back behind the counter. Last time I was in there this dude was behind the counter. He was one of those people we're talking about in this thread.

Although my next battery will be an MVP2 most likely. When I was recommending batteries to the boss I said, get a VV or an MVP. Most places have a near 50% price difference between the two. That and I like the smaller VV. I don't regret getting it. Biggest advantage, to my mind, is being able to use it as a passthrough. That is a huge advantage, especially to a new user.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

Heh. Funny thing is, she bakes and I cook. She's horribly dysgraphic (like dyslexic, but for math) and I'm an engineer. Go figure.

Hrmph. I have a couple of mini protanks, but the biggest issue I'm finding is the draw. The nautilus looks great except for the size of the tank. I like smaller tanks since I get bored really easily.

Hmmm, wonder if they have an aero at the shop up the road. I need to get some more of what's turning into my ADV. (It's the only cheap vape I like. I'm not vapeing $1/ml juice when I'm coding. I can't taste anything when I'm coding anyways.) Hey, any excuse to see if that really cute saleswoman is back behind the counter. Last time I was in there this dude was behind the counter. He was one of those people we're talking about in this thread.

Although my next battery will be an MVP2 most likely. When I was recommending batteries to the boss I said, get a VV or an MVP. Most places have a near 50% price difference between the two. That and I like the smaller VV. I don't regret getting it. Biggest advantage, to my mind, is being able to use it as a passthrough. That is a huge advantage, especially to a new user.

I'm a huge fan of innokin! Especially the Vv3 and the MVP. The two are basically the same unit.
I just graduated in electrical engineering and have become such a fan of the technology involved in s this stuff. But I feel you on the baking: my fiancé can bake almost anything- which is good and bad. Lol

In any event - I'm not sure if they work in the miniprotanks but they sell just the aerotank base to turn a protank into an aerotank

http://www.mcssl.com/mobile/kangertechusllc/kanger-airflow-control-valve-protank-ii-3-and-aerotank

And this is the original aerotank:

http://101vape.com/clearomizers-glassomizers/249-kanger-aerotank.html

They also have a new aerotank mini out.

http://www.myvaporstore.com/Kanger_Aerotank_Mini_p/kraet-kmi.htm

And since you said your next batt will be the
MVP2- here is a great deal on one.
http://101vape.com/variable-voltagewattage-devices/148-innokin-itaste-mvp-v20.html


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[amolson]

Cool! My bachelors degree was in EE. I'm now working on my PhD in computer science and engineering.

I'm also using vapeing to not eat all the time. Although at this point I'm so tired of my own cooking, it doesn't take much. (The boss is currently on the other side of the country, although she plans on moving out this winter. That'll be fun.)

But I found a air control base for the mini. Kanger Airflow Control 2.0 - Mini Just waiting for the great vapemail. The local postal carrier has really gotten to know me this week. Thought I'd get one and see how it went.

You didn't have to show me that MvP. NOOOO!!!! I don't need more stuff. Really I don't. Ok, maybe some more heads for my Protank 2. Something went funky with the head for my 3 and it wasn't working quite right, so I slipped the spare 2 head into it. Maybe after it dries out it'll be ok.

Generally though, as an old engineer, I try to keep the number of parts to a minimum. If I'd started with aerotanks, I'd probably have kept with them. But I ended up with a protank, so that base looks like a good idea. That and the protank 2 is a single coil, which means easier to replace the coils when I get that brave.