So Enough Already with the "You must do this" "You must buy that" Attitude

[ChurchMouse]

I agree.
I like permium juice, love it. But, $27 for 30 ml of juices as an all day vape? Cant do it.

$8 for 30 ml of moo juice and udderly nutz. Oh yeah!

I keep some "good stuff" around for a treat and vape mbv all day most of the time. Its good, satisfies me and mbv treats me right. They are a great outfit!

They are. I know taste is subjective and their juice doesn't work for everyone, and that's fine. But the bashing and elitism from some...not all, but some...over MBV and other low cost juice vendors or ego setups or whatever is really off-putting and annoying to me.

When I was new to vaping and lurking for info it really confused me too. Is it really not possible to quit smoking by vaping without spending hundreds I didn't have on equipment I didn't know how to use first? What was wrong with liquid that was less than $1/ml? Was it harmful? "They shouldn't even make plastic tanks anymore they're worse than worthless"...but my evods were fine as long as I didn't put certain flavors in them. Or were THEY harmful?

I almost quit vaping at one point, since I was having trouble quitting the cigs (on one flavor at a time of expensive, popular tobacco juice I thought tasted like ashes and socks....but it was what I "had" to have).

There are a lot of nice, helpful people here, don't get me wrong. But I think there are also a lot who may not understand the kind of messages they're putting out when they're bashing vendors and suggesting that vaping has to be a high dollar time sucking hobby or it will never work or be enjoyable. It's just annoying to me now, I know better. But those mixed messages...oy.

 

[Myrany]

True story here

My switching to vaping was delayed by a YEAR because of some people on a gaming forum in a vaping thread who insisted I HAD to have 2x the Volcano Lavatube kit and that nothing else out there would work. Well when you added in extra tanks, cartos, juice and shipping, I just could not possibly come up with the $300+ it would have cost to get started. I didn't know enough to find a different setup or where to even look. I certainly did not know about ECF.

Fast forward a year and I was on a different gaming forum and found another thread on vaping. They pointed me to an EGO-C tank system starter kit that I could get into with juice for about $100. I jumped in with both feet. Now I will admit that tank system sucked rotten bananas but the batteries were good. Those people also sent me to ECF so it wasn't long before I had a couple of decent clearos to put on those very good ego batterys (those batterys are still gong strong btw LOL).

Upshot of the deal I quit smoking the day I started vaping but 1 year AFTER I wanted to start vaping because of people trying to force gear.

 

[Robino1]

*Warning _ Giddy, mushy post ahead*



God I love this forum and our members!!


That is all.....


Carry on

 

[AH1968]

I've just got to add this... I quit a couple months before even finding this site, and I lurked for months after (mainly because I could easily find multiple answers to whatever questions I had (although searching this forum isn't real easy). However, I have only seen a few instances of the "You must" or "you have to" comments, except in regards to safety, in which case I take the stance "Preach it!!" I personally would hate to find out that someone tried something I suggested simply because I assumed that they would be in the "know"... With that said, there are some truly brilliant people in the forum, without whom I would have been frustrated beyond belief...

In My Opinion... This place is by far, the best place to seek advice and gain knowledge that I have come across.

And to all of you lurkers out there... You MUST join up and intro yourself, besides, you might share something that no one has thought up yet, and we all need new ways to spend our hard earned money.

Have a Nice Day! and please, VAPE ON!!!

 

[r77r7r]

*Warning _ Giddy, mushy post ahead*



God I love this forum and our members!!


That is all.....


Carry on

You mods and admin make it great For us!

 

[K_Tech]

I try to have only one attitude; I am happy that you are vaping, and I want you to be happy with your vape, because smoking sucks.

 

[Bigflyrodder]

Really enjoyed reading all of the posts in this thread, have to admit that I was a bit shocked with the initial OP posting as was sad to hear anyone had that sort of experience here. I have noticed waves of new folks on the site, some stick around others seem to make a splash and then maybe decide this isn't the place for them.

I think we have all had good, bad, great, and sometimes awful experiences with gear/juice/builds and what I enjoy most is the way the group always trying to help people find their way to what may be their "unicorn". Truly wonderful people.

Not even sure where I was going with this, sorry you had a rough experience OP.

 

[Caffeine7]

It's also all so subjective. If everyone was the same we would only have one restaurant and one kind of car, uniforms etc. bottom line is find a juice you like, put it in a vaporizing system that works for you and enjoy.

 

[Mitchdisaster]

I look at it this way. When I go into the general forum here and the entire first page is about building coils or dripping, I'm put off. Personally I have no interest in building coils or dripping, I prefer the look of the tanks and the ease of swapping out coils. I know over the long run that I'll probably spend more money, but i like the convenience. Honestly though, i can just go to page 2 and find what i'm looking for.

The worst is the local B&M. They laughed at me because i pulled out my MVP and they were using Hana's and Provari's. So good luck getting any more of my business.

 

[Spatchka]

I am new here and did notice that at times, a new posters question would be answered with
"get a kayfun" or " just rebuild with cotton".

Being new, figured it was a 'pat' answer that some always give, because it works so well for them.

When I read " get a kayfun" as a reply in a thread today, had to laugh.

Guess I'll have to get me one of those...

 

[Dconnor]

I look at it this way. When I go into the general forum here and the entire first page is about building coils or dripping, I'm put off. Personally I have no interest in building coils or dripping, I prefer the look of the tanks and the ease of swapping out coils. I know over the long run that I'll probably spend more money, but i like the convenience. Honestly though, i can just go to page 2 and find what i'm looking for.

The worst is the local B&M. They laughed at me because i pulled out my MVP and they were using Hana's and Provari's. So good luck getting any more of my business.

Vaping is a journey my friend. Many of us have progressed through different devices for many reasons. Mine went Blu cig, Evod kit, Itaste vv3, MVP 2 with a variety of clearos, VTR , K100, Vamo, Hammer clone, Reo.
Some peoples stop at somewhere along the ladder. Others do not. Seen a couple of your posts and am willing to bet you'll be dripping and/or rebuilding by Christmas
I started rebuilding and dripping at the MVP2 stage.

 

[realsis]

So sorry you are upset. For the most part everyone here is patient and nice and I'm here almost daily reading posts and I don't really seeing a you HAVE to do this or that post. Suggestions are made to the ops that would provide them with a better vaping expirenice over all and like any suggestion can be taken or left. We are all adults and if someone isn't interested in furthering their vaping I've seen reply like "thank you but I'm not interested in rebuilding" after that the subject is dropped NOONE has FORCED anything on any one else. On the flip side, I'm sorry YOU are put off by the discussion of rebuilding coils, however that does NOT mean we ALL are put off by it and do have just as much right to discuss that as anything else. I personally was ALWAYS greatful for advanced discussion because it helped me learn. I don't believe very many are offended by it but take it as a opportunity to learn, even if they don't put the knowledge into practical use. I think the only intentry is to be helpful and shouldn't be taken any other way.

 

[edyle]

Let's not forget that we ECFers represent less than one percent of the vaping public.





More or less.

But I bet there's TEN TIMES more lurkers.

A lot of people stumble across ecf, and read stuff, and after they find themselves coming back over a period of time they *might* at that point register to post, especially if they have a question (and the search on ecf doesn't work to good - I actually find things on ecf better using Google than using ecf's own search!!).

 

[Chelonian]

I am new here and did notice that at times, a new posters question would be answered with
"get a kayfun" or " just rebuild with cotton".

Being new, figured it was a 'pat' answer that some always give, because it works so well for them.

When I read " get a kayfun" as a reply in a thread today, had to laugh.

Guess I'll have to get me one of those...

I have to admit, I will suggest this IF it seems to fit.

When someone posts that they have bought four or more clearos, and three or four mods, and they still arent happy, chances are high that the clearos arent gonna work for them.

So should I tell them about another $30 clearo to waste money on, or should I reccomend them biting the bullet and getting what has the best chance of working for them?

Im sorry, but when someone complains that for the last three months and multiple clearos have been nothing but random dry hits and fiddling, thats someone who needs something beyond what clearos provide.

I know. I wasted too much money on thrm trying to be cheap. Just cost me more on the long run.
So when I read someone going through the exact thing I did - a better kit will be reccomended.

Just because some can be satisfied for years on clearos doesnt mean that its the answer for all.

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[realsis]

Very true above post and that was the point I was trying to make. If someone is complaining and we have been there and done that and found something better then why not make that helpful suggestion to the person so they don't have to struggle?

 

[Myrany]

I am actually starting to think it might be time for me to take another hiatus from ECF. What I see is intolerance on so many different topics and it is starting to get to me.

From "You are vaping wrong do it MY way." (effectively what the OP is about looking at it from either side)

to

"If you don't hand a certain website personal information you are a traitor to the cause" even though you have reservations about how the site is built that the builders have yet to adequately answer.

to

"It is the fault of x or y political party that vaping is under attack."

to

"Blame the teacher for everything that is wrong with kids these days"

The whole mess is getting very tiresome and annoying to read. We should be about helping people get off the cigs.

 

[Chelonian]

Myranny-

Really?

Honestly, compared to most forums, this place is a haven of restraint.

Have you been on Reddit for example?

I would hate to see a community supporter leave. Do the posts of all the folks that find it supportive here mean nothing?

Do you have an example of said intolerance? And if so, why let it affect you?
Just give people the help you can, they will appreciate it

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[DC2]

Vaping is a journey my friend.

This.

..........

 

[Myrany]

Myranny-

Really?

Honestly, compared to most forums, this place is a haven of restraint.

Have you been on Reddit for example?

I would hate to see a community supporter leave. Do the posts of all the folks that find it supportive here mean nothing?

Do you have an example of said intolerance? And if so, why let it affect you?
Just give people the help you can, they will appreciate it

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Really?

I um play wow. Ever been on their forums? yeah I know well what other forums are like.

Sometimes it gets thick in here and a break is a good thing. Everyone deals with stuff their own way.

 

[Bodog]

I absolutely disagree with original poster. From my perspective, there are definetly somethings one needs to know about ecigs. Its not a entirely simple thing. I have learned so much from people stating "you should do xxx". I have learned so much from others talking about things they like and telling others "check it out, you need to get one!". The OP seems to make this seem like one person is just cramming this down someones throat when in reality, its just one person attempting to encourage others to check out what they like, and I feel it does this community a world of good when people do this.
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