So Enough Already with the "You must do this" "You must buy that" Attitude

[Tinkiegrrl]

I'm a simple person, I see the raving about the Tai Kwan Do cotton and granted its 10 dollars for a year supply; but, just plain ole cotton was 99cents for a year supply. So, im ok with that.
Then again I also prefer just plain old coffee and cores light.
All that fancy stuff is just way above my my head. If I can't pronounce it I don't want to consume it-lol
That and i had a hard time deciding between silica or cotton. Then to find out there's more than one type of cotton- my head will explode- hahaha
I do agree with the cotton, it's trial and error and eventually you just kind of get to a point that you instinctively know how much to grab. Getting to that point, at least for me, was allot of dry hits, nasty taste and waste of juice. I went to using the least expensive juice I could find till I got the wicking down.


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I've tried the Japanese cotton stuff. Really, I haven't detected any difference from plain old cotton. It's easier to separate the right amount, because it's in a pad and the fibers are all going in one direction, but other then that.... Eh. I'll just stick to cotton balls. Those can be found anywhere, for super cheap.

 

[Tinkiegrrl]

As for the "You must buy this" attitude, I've definitely come across some... shall we say... passionate people around these boards. Someone looking to identify the name of their CE4 clearomizer doesn't need recommendations on mech mods with low voltage drop and drippers that you can build a quad coil on. Also, when someone is looking for advise on which brand to go with for a particular type of topper, what's wrong with people answering the question? That you didn't like that kind of topper is irrelevant. The poster is interested in trying it, and if they're interested, why not point them to the best they can get?

The only time I post suggestions on different products then was mentioned in the OP is when the poster is obviously not pleased with the product to start with. For example, if the poster has tried multiple types of clearos and has had issues with them all, I'm going to recommend a cartotank as the next step up. If they have had multiple issues with cartos, I'm going to recommend an RBA or an rda. I'm not going to point them to another product that is virtually the same thing as the one they were having issues with.

 

[AndriaD]

Getting the right amount of cotton consistently is a challenge for me too, I've recently stopped using regular cotton and gone to Peaches and Cream yarn. This is working very nicely for me, pull off two of the 4 strands, twist and insert, the only variable is the length.

I know everyone is raving about Ko Gen Doh but for now the P&C is working so well I'm going to stick with that for a while.

I tried the P&C first, because it seemed so much easier than trying to figure out how much cotton to use. I never could get any decent taste using P&C, and usually just got dry hits, no matter how many or how few individual strands I used; it doesn't seem to wick up juice very well. So unless I take up knitting or crocheting, I've got a huge ball of yarn that will never be used. Maybe my cat would enjoy it.

Andria

 

[Ryedan]

I tried the P&C first, because it seemed so much easier than trying to figure out how much cotton to use. I never could get any decent taste using P&C, and usually just got dry hits, no matter how many or how few individual strands I used; it doesn't seem to wick up juice very well.

I've found in vaping is there are a lot of variables and therefore little details that can make or break a setup. Sometimes really big variation in a setup have little impact on it's performance and sometimes very small details can have a huge impact. I think this is one reason some people love a device and others hate it.

So unless I take up knitting or crocheting, I've got a huge ball of yarn that will never be used. Maybe my cat would enjoy it.

Now that's going to be one happy kitty

 

[Claudia P]

Hmmm I've not had that problem but with the exception of my Reo I drip exclusively, I haven't tried a Kafun or Russian or any of the tank style RBA's

I tried the P&C first, because it seemed so much easier than trying to figure out how much cotton to use. I never could get any decent taste using P&C, and usually just got dry hits, no matter how many or how few individual strands I used; it doesn't seem to wick up juice very well. So unless I take up knitting or crocheting, I've got a huge ball of yarn that will never be used. Maybe my cat would enjoy it.

Andria

 

[Anjaffm]

As for the "You must buy this" attitude, I've definitely come across some... shall we say... passionate people around these boards. Someone looking to identify the name of their CE4 clearomizer doesn't need recommendations on mech mods with low voltage drop and drippers that you can build a quad coil on. Also, when someone is looking for advise on which brand to go with for a particular type of topper, what's wrong with people answering the question? That you didn't like that kind of topper is irrelevant. The poster is interested in trying it, and if they're interested, why not point them to the best they can get?

Amen. Amen. Amen!
My sentiments exactly.
And I remember that thread you mentioned. Did not somebody tell the OP to throw his clearo in the trash and get some big huge fancy new fangled (abbreviation - abbreviation - unintelligible word)? Sheeesh...

The only time I post suggestions on different products then was mentioned in the OP is when the poster is obviously not pleased with the product to start with. For example, if the poster has tried multiple types of clearos and has had issues with them all, I'm going to recommend a cartotank as the next step up. If they have had multiple issues with cartos, I'm going to recommend an RBA or an RDA. I'm not going to point them to another product that is virtually the same thing as the one they were having issues with.

Precisely.

 

[AndriaD]

Hmmm I've not had that problem but with the exception of my Reo I drip exclusively, I haven't tried a Kafun or Russian or any of the tank style RBA's

A REO is kinda-sorta like a dripper, too, isn't it? I have a Caterpillar, but it took a great deal of experimenting with coil builds to get it to the point that I could actually use it without an asthma attack. I might give the P&C another try in the Caterpillar, see if I like it better in a situation that doesn't depend on wicking in a vacuum. I hate waste, and the idea of that whole ball of yarn going to waste just offends me. But mainly I use the dripper for tasting, just too fiddly for me to want to use it as my primary -- got 2 kayfuns for that, and a couple of Mini PT IIs I use for juices that I don't use a lot of, though I've got those coils rebuilt and wicked with organic cotton -- makes a huge difference, they actually taste like something!

Andria

 

[Fir3b1rd]

I've found in vaping is there are a lot of variables and therefore little details that can make or break a setup. Sometimes really big variation in a setup have little impact on it's performance and sometimes very small details can have a huge impact. I think this is one reason some people love a device and others hate it.



Now that's going to be one happy kitty

I'd say you're right about that. Especially when you start getting into rebuildables and regulated mods(I don't have a mech-yet).
You have the height of the build deck
- the architecture of the deck
- the architecture of the unit itself
- drip tip
- the flavor and viscosity of the juice
- the vv/vw setting
- and the type of regulated in general (chipset frequency among many others)
- and then you have the coil- material, height placement, structure,
- and the same for the wick.

And those are just the top variables to pop in my head. A person could easily write a thesis on the variables in vsping alone. That alone should be reason in enough to be extra careful when giving advice. I met up with a couple of guys from the HHV thread yesterday and we were discussing the "elite vapor behavior," thing. And with all the variables out there it's apparent that there is no "correct" way to do any of it. It all comes down to what makes YOU happy.


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[Anjaffm]

I've tried the Japanese cotton stuff. Really, I haven't detected any difference from plain old cotton. It's easier to separate the right amount, because it's in a pad and the fibers are all going in one direction, but other then that.... Eh. I'll just stick to cotton balls. Those can be found anywhere, for super cheap.

You mean cotton as in cotton balls? The kind you use to remove makeup? The kind you can buy everywhere for cheap?
WOW! Thank you for this information!
All I had ever read about is that if you use cotton you absolutely have to use aquarium cotton, or this cotton or that cotton (all real fancy stuff from abroad) - nobody ever said anything about just using plain old cotton from cotton balls.

Wow! I am so happy that this subject came up.

I had always thought building coils was something you had to do every few days, using either aquarium cotton (from a pet shop?) or - if you listen to the high tech people - order some real fancy cotton from abroad. Heck, I order my EVODS and Vivi Novas including exchangeable heads mostly from vape shops in my home country or maybe from Poland and I'm good to go. - I think now you all may get an idea why I used to abhor the thought of even touching rebuilding with a ten-foot pole.

This thread is very enlightening indeed! Thank you!

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And I think we are not really moving off-topic

You see, it was exactly this "you must do this", "you must buy that" talk that scared me away from even considering rebuilding at all.
(Remember a few pages back where I admitted that I was absolutely terrified of the idea of even touching this stuff. )

Heck, and I am not a newbie to vaping. Been vaping for over 2.5 years now. Been active in my home forum since Nov 2011, been active here since Sep 2013 (came in mainly to learn stuff in English - in addition to my German vaping vocabulary - but I like it here) and been mixing my own liquids for quite some time. Ask me anything about nicotine, studies about vaping, vaping politics in Europe, bans for bribes, Big P involvement etc - and I will reply with links and everything. - But frighten me with technical talk that goes completely over my head, tell me that I "must" buy fancy (unintelligible word) cotton from abroad "because that is the only thing to use", tell me that it is all so easy when I do not have the slightest idea even where to start - and I will simply turn away.

Case in point, dears.
Do talk to new vapers at their level, please. They will be grateful. And none of us were born with a PV in our little hands

 

[bman1977]

Well if you just went ahead and got a Provari and learned how to build a coil no one would have to tell you any of this.

 

[bluecat]

A REO is kinda-sorta like a dripper, too, isn't it? I have a Caterpillar, but it took a great deal of experimenting with coil builds to get it to the point that I could actually use it without an asthma attack. I might give the P&C another try in the Caterpillar, see if I like it better in a situation that doesn't depend on wicking in a vacuum. I hate waste, and the idea of that whole ball of yarn going to waste just offends me. But mainly I use the dripper for tasting, just too fiddly for me to want to use it as my primary -- got 2 kayfuns for that, and a couple of Mini PT IIs I use for juices that I don't use a lot of, though I've got those coils rebuilt and wicked with organic cotton -- makes a huge difference, they actually taste like something!

Andria

You can try boiling the P&C as well. I always get some clear film on top of the water after boiling it.

It always seems the P&C will initially take a while to wick. After the first wicking of liquid, it usually keeps up with me.

I also can taste the cotton at times. So I decided to soak the P&C in some lemon juice water mixture for a couple days. 1 strand of the yarn had been previously boiled and the other strand wasn't. After the 2 days the previously boiled strand looked different than the unboiled strand. Almost like the unboiled strand was coated with something. I boiled both of them last night for 30 minutes.

 

[AndriaD]

You can try boiling the P&C as well. I always get some clear film on top of the water after boiling it.

It always seems the P&C will initially take a while to wick. After the first wicking of liquid, it usually keeps up with me.

I also can taste the cotton at times. So I decided to soak the P&C in some lemon juice water mixture for a couple days. 1 strand of the yarn had been previously boiled and the other strand wasn't. After the 2 days the previously boiled strand looked different than the unboiled strand. Almost like the unboiled strand was coated with something. I boiled both of them last night for 30 minutes.

Yeah I boil the yarn... in fact, the last time, I boiled it twice (using the reverse-osmosis-filtered tap at our kitchen sink, which is filtered in addition to the whole-house filtration system we have). I didn't really get a bad taste, and in fact I get the "cotton" taste more often from these organic cotton balls than I did from the yarn... but it didn't seem to give any MORE taste than just plain silica, and it didn't wick very well, in any tanks that depend on a vacuum -- lots and lots of dry hits. But, for a dripper, it might do very well indeed.

Andria

 

[Fir3b1rd]

You mean cotton as in cotton balls? The kind you use to remove makeup? The kind you can buy everywhere for cheap?
WOW! Thank you for this information!
All I had ever read about is that if you use cotton you absolutely have to use aquarium cotton, or this cotton or that cotton (all real fancy stuff from abroad) - nobody ever said anything about just using plain old cotton from cotton balls.

Wow! I am so happy that this subject came up.

I had always thought building coils was something you had to do every few days, using either aquarium cotton (from a pet shop?) or - if you listen to the high tech people - order some real fancy cotton from abroad. Heck, I order my EVODS and Vivi Novas including exchangeable heads mostly from vape shops in my home country or maybe from Poland and I'm good to go. - I think now you all may get an idea why I used to abhor the thought of even touching rebuilding with a ten-foot pole.

This thread is very enlightening indeed! Thank you!

One of the ECF cats I met up with yesterday has had the same coils on his mods for three months. He uses silica so he hasn't changed his wicks in two weeks.
I've had one kayfun on dual coils for 2 months now and another on single for a month.
I use cotton so whenever I refill; I change the wick. Some people run 2 or 3 tanks through one wick; but, I'm a little OCD with it. Every night I go ahead and refill and rewick.


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[Anjaffm]

Well if you just went ahead and got a Provari and learned how to build a coil no one would have to tell you any of this.

bwaaahaaahaa
Uhm, may I ask whether you were born with both in your little hands?
And if yes, how did that happen? Parents who were both vaping during.... no, I am not gonna say that

 

[Zealous]

I tried the P&C first, because it seemed so much easier than trying to figure out how much cotton to use. I never could get any decent taste using P&C, and usually just got dry hits, no matter how many or how few individual strands I used; it doesn't seem to wick up juice very well. So unless I take up knitting or crocheting, I've got a huge ball of yarn that will never be used. Maybe my cat would enjoy it.

Andria

If you were using the P&C in a Kayfun I'm not surprised by your experience. I also use P&C but it really sucked in the Kayfun because it didn't wick fast enough for me. Cotton balls are faster. HST the P&C works great in drippers since you're not relying on a tank to feed the eliquid.

 

[realsis]

Well if you just went ahead and got a Provari and learned how to build a coil no one would have to tell you any of this.

REALLY? HUMMM, ATTITUDE DON'T YA THINK? ATTENTION: Shocking I know, but NOT Everyone WANTS a provari!!! Gasp!! Call me crazy but I'd much rather have a Hanna Mod DNA 30.

 

[AndriaD]

If you were using the P&C in a Kayfun I'm not surprised by your experience. I also use P&C but it really sucked in the Kayfun because it didn't wick fast enough for me. Cotton balls are faster. HST the P&C works great in drippers since you're not relying on a tank to feed the eliquid.

Kayfun, T3S, mini PT II... pretty much any tank that needs a vacuum to work right, the P&C just didn't wick well. But I'm certainly going to try it again, in my Caterpillar! The coils I build for it are so large (diameter) that it shouldn't even be a problem getting it threaded into the coil, using a piece of wire.

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

REALLY? HUMMM, ATTITUDE DON'T YA THINK? ATTENTION: Shocking I know, but NOT Everyone WANT a provari!!! Gasp!! Call me crazy but I'd much rather have a Hanna Mod DNA 30.

I just can't imagine spending the same for any vape thing as I would spend for almost a month's worth of groceries. One of the things I like best about vaping is the opportunity to SAVE money... not spend even more!!!

Besides which, it's not the mod that determines the quality of the vape, it's whatever you put on top. I'd far rather spend $30-$40 on a mod, and get a REAL kayfun... which I can't afford yet, but probably will someday.

Andria

 

[bman1977]

REALLY? HUMMM, ATTITUDE DON'T YA THINK? ATTENTION: Shocking I know, but NOT Everyone WANTS a provari!!! Gasp!! Call me crazy but I'd much rather have a Hanna Mod DNA 30.

It was joke.

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[realsis]

So true, I can't get that kind of mod myself but I might be able to swing a clone , I'd love a real kayfun also I'm using the clone now myself. Also have you tried the taifun clone very nice vape