There's a bill in NY to ban opponents to Coumo and ban green text.
So What?
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NY Ban on Flavors- 100 jobs lost (at one company)- so far
Local vape shops, manufactures already feeling effects of flavored E-cigarette ban in NYS
Local vape shops, manufactures already feeling effects of flavored E-cigarette ban in NYS
We know what Governor Cuomo will say, SO WHAT!?
The way these businesses have been treated damages the reputation of the state.
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Yes, my experience is similar, except I was spending more like $5k a year on cigs.
But you and I are not the average vaper. Most don't DIY. Heck, at this point, I'm not sure whether most are even using refillable systems.
And I am a proud supporter of both bans. In fact I support all bans, there is just too much freedom in the world.
The number doing DIY could change depending on what governments do. It would be interesting to know if nic sellers have noticed any up tick in orders. I also haven't noticed the Federal government saying anything about nic sellers and offshore hardware or even flavoring products. If they ignore those that's the future of hobby vaping.
I have to remind myself that immenent flavor bans are only in two states and apparently the Trump administration hasn't responded to the President's comments. I may have written earlier, Trump's comments have started a national conversation I don't think we've had before and that's probably a good thing.
The young man working the vape shop i went to for the first time yesterday (it is across town and not my old shop where I used to work) disagreed with me immediately that there will be any flavor ban. I didn’t argue with him; I don’t do that anymore, plus, I wanted to hear what he had to say.
He said the President changed his mind about the flavor ban, and I asked him if he knew about anything POTUS said after that last tweet of his. He said that there had been a press release (I know not of any recent press release) and that since WA isn’t a liberal state (we all know the coast is extremely liberal and hence that is the way the legislature is mostly populated) that there won’t be a flavor ban, since only liberal states are the ones doing any bans.
I am only recounting this anecdote because in my opinion it is patently misinformed, at least. I was not going to squash his optimism; I am only a middle-aged lady, after all
and he did end up giving me 40% off my purchase.The actual issue I wanted to discuss is that since POTUS has moved onto other things, isn’t this all now in the hands of Sec. Azar, on the federal level? I have not seen that Azar has been moved on this issue. If a bill is put in front of POTUS and if he has not been educated or lobbied by vape-friendly allies in Congress, will he just go ahead and sign?
As far as the conversation; I am extremely happy there is one, as well, and I am feeling more righteous and less fearful about being seen vaping (even though I really only vape in the car in traffic when I’m not at home). I use twitter a lot and have been trying to build a bridge crossing political lines as people from all walks of life are standing as one on this issue, and I am trying to capitalize on that, just so we can see the humanity in each other again.
Today I have been worried that maybe the nursing home will ban vaping. It really only takes 2 or 3 smokers complaining that they are afraid of second hand vape.
Yesterday I went to the local vape shop with my bf, and they are moving into a larger place! They said they're going to sell kratom too. I'm not convinced that they won't lose their shirts on either side but I hope they'll do well. I bought a bunch of flavors that they had on sale.
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Yesterday I went to the local vape shop with my bf, and they are moving into a larger place! They said they're going to sell kratom too. I'm not convinced that they won't lose their shirts on either side but I hope they'll do well. I bought a bunch of flavors that they had on sale.
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Cuomo is a complete and utter tool...and his Roid Rage brother too. How anyone can take him or any political "leader" seriously just boggles the mind. Power surely corrupts.
The feds are trying to ban Kratom as well. They sure do love prohibition, despite the fact that it doesn't work.
Even if we assume vaping is safer than smoking, we are not 100% sure. Vaping is relatively new with limited data to reach a definite conclusion.
that can be solved with warning labels, similar to what is already required on the devices, liquid etc. It isn't their job to restrict our access, they are more than welcome to study it and inform us of the risks we're choosing to assume though.
**edit** they can restrict it...as in only sold in certain stores, but not straight out deny a product
Would you say the same thing if the hazards were known for sure? Arsenic comes to mind .....
Just trying to stimulate the conversation. I happen to agree with most of what you say. I do not agree when someone says "If I want to kill myself, that is not anyone's business"
I absolutely would (and I'm almost positive arsenic is actually in cigarettes lol), and I am 100% for assisted suicide regardless of the reason. If that's what the person wants, it's their body. You can require some counseling maybe but nothing crazy, people should be allowed to make those decisions for themselves. My opinion (-;
Agree on assisted suicide but sometimes our actions affects others. Main problem is how to keep our freedoms while making sure kids don't start vaping just so we keep our freedom. Warnings and labels help, but not completely..... I personally ignore them all the time !!
That's on parents. If the government would actually let parents RAISE their kids it would help. As far as the labels go...again..adults decide for themselves, same as the fine print in financial documents...should I read it? Probably...do I? No...but I know I'm assuming a risk of extra charges etc.
Hah, children listen more to their peers than they do to their parents. Example: majority of kids ask their parents to drop them off some distance away from school for fear of being seen with them... really a shame !!
I'm living in a rural area right now, far from vape shops. I went into one today, actually a tobacco shop where 30% of the floor space is vaping. It was crowded, busy, people stocking up on pre-mix. The shops have 30 days to sell off their inventory. Many will sell out sooner than that and that's when the strongest reactions will start. Some vapers have been contemplating this situation for years. Every customer I saw in that shop had never considered this. You could cut the anxiety with a knife. SO WHAT!
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